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jlb524 wrote...
Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!

Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.

We're pretty much back at square one with how the scene is presented in the game.  Her presentation in the game is lacking in explanation and interaction.  That the comic somehow managed to exceed that suck quotient is actually a bit remarkable in itself. 
She can't come for the same reason as Ashley and Kaiden.  Now we've just got that storytelling failure in the game compounded by a storytelling failure in the comic.  There just simply isn't any deep or ulterior motives to what any of them do.  It is exactly as shallow and poorly written as it is presented in the game.

[mrbeavis19]

 hey, I got this idea for some fan art and I figured I'd bounce it off you guys. Ok, so Shep in his armor pants sitting on the end of his bed with the rest of his armor strewn across the floor. His head is hanging and he's slouched over, completely drained after some battle or something, but who's there to cheer him up? The Blue Goddess of course! Now, I was thinking of having Liara sitting behind him, hugging him or something, but I'm not sure. What do you guys think?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Do it, do it! I want to see a pic of Liara warmly hugging Shepard!

Lol ok, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't too cliched or anything.

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Cartims wrote...
Zombie shep returns, but Liara is worried about Frogman..,,geez......martini time

I guess you either believe her when she talks to you while you are sitting right there, or you believe what she says to Miranda (two years ago, in a different medium, and not with you as a participant).  I doubt Miranda was less cold and manipulative two years ago than she was at the beginning of ME2.  Lying to Miranda about Shepard being important to her is actually the smartest thing to do in that situation because it gives Cerberus less leverage on Liara and Shepard both.

[mrbeavis19]

can anyone find me a decent screen of shep's cabin from me1?

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mrbeavis19 wrote...

Lol ok, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't too cliched or anything.

How could it be? A comparable scene was in ME 1, and it was perhaps the most memorable of all.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

J, J, J. Liara appreciates Feron's sacrifice, not the person himself. Seriously, at what point did Redemption ever indicate that she's fallen head over heels for him? It certainly wasn't when she left him for dead to save Shepard's carcass, for a chance that Cerberus maybe able to resurrect Shepard? Come on, I think it's clear where her love lies. Plus, I've been over Liara's suffering, her love for Shepard and everything that's happened to him/her, her guilt over Shepard's body, and handing it to Cerberus. That's another part of her motivation, her obvious failure to cope with said suffering and the hope that taking out the SB will make her happy again, and ease her of her emotional pain. It's why we can't, as Shepard, comfort and console her and help her come to terms with her grief.

I'm not saying Liara is or isn't in love with Feron, I'm just saying I want her to be in order to save this craptastic story.  Plus, it would add some fun angst into ME3:

Shepard:  Come on Liara, you need to pick one.  Feron or me?
Liara: *sly smile*  Well, can't I have you both?
Shepard:  *slaps self*  Dope!  Shouldn't have taught her that one!

If you want to pull a random ass theory out of the air, like you have, can't I just as easily say that Liara, because of her worry that Shep will hate her, is hunting the SB because she sees it as a way that she may be able to redeem herself in Shepard's eyes, and possibly prove to Shep that she did the right thing and hope that Shep wouldn't hate her through doing this? That's even more plausible thatn what you suggested, as it suits Liara's character more.

We could make just about anything up since they did such an awful job at telling this story.  That's the problem.

Also, Liara not going with Shepard =/= she doesn't care about the Reapers. The Reaper threat isn't as imminent during ME2. I'm sure if she knew they were knocking at the door, she'd go with Shepard right away. As it stands though, the threat isn't as great as Sovereign and coupled with all of her pain that I mentioned before, I see it as being perfectly viable that she'd decline the offer to join the squad, albeit regretably so as she wants to be with Shep, the person she loves.

But she saw the Reapers in Shepard's vision, same as Shepard.  Shepard still seems pretty damn concerned about them.  Heck, the random criminals and miscreants Shepard is picking up on this misssion are more worried about the Reapers than Liara is.

J you're focusing too much on the fact that Liara doesn't go with Shepard, and not looking at the WHY. Should we chastise Wrex, Ashley, Kaidan, Anderson for not going with Shepard too? I mean, they all spoke with Sovereign as well, they all heard what Vigil said. They're in exactly the same boat as Liara, in that they realise that the Reaper threat isn't imminent, and that they all have various commitments. Only Liara implicitly expresses the desire to go with Shepard out of all of them, howvere. That says alot.

I am focusing on that b/c that's were my major disappointment lies with all of this.  Why the heck isn't Liara fighting the greatest threat in the galaxy with me?   As for the others you mentioned, I think they have better reasons than Liara.  Ashley and Kaidan simply don't trust Cerberus or your motives b/c you are now working for them (terrorists).  It's like, if someone you loved died and was resurrected and now they are a member of the taliban.  Liara doesn't care about the whole Cerberus angle, though.  Wrex?  I'll give you Wrex.

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justinnstuff wrote...

GreedIsNoException wrote...

When's Liara getting a third thread? Damn those Talimancers already have like seven 4th thread. We're behind... any ideas how to catch up?

Catch up to the Talimob? I don't think that's entirely possible 

Sure it is. We nuke 'em or just post like mad people!

Liara= Win

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justinnstuff wrote...

 I hate to say it, but I think Liara may go Bastila on us now that I think about it. It's kind of weird. My romances in BioWare games previously were Bastila and Aribeth. This would be a self fulfilling prophecy. 

No bad feelings towards shep, but definitely consumed in some other thing in their lives that leads them the wrong way.

I wouldn't be surprised, then we have to 'save' her!  

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*twitch* I can't really support needing to "save" another woman in yet another game. I'll just be thankful for the chance to resolve some of the outstanding issues she feels are important to her. Because what is important to Liara is important to my Shepard. That is one of the fundamentals of a relationship.

[bjdbwea]

There are some amazing mods that continue the Aribeth romance though. I could forgive anything that BioWare/EA did, had they allowed for proper modding of ME 2. The community would take care of everything, and if necessary I'd make the "real" Liara scene myself. You console gamers would be screwed as always, but so what.

[screwoffreg]

People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.