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screwoffreg wrote...

People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.


I'm not so sure I guess it applies as long as they sell,but if you look how they butchered the C&C series<_<

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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.


People can blame EA all they want, I doubt they have much to do with ME outside of advertisement.



EA tolerates only so much delay and does support, but they only kill that which they see as weak. ME 2 sold 2 million in a week and the DLC is selling well, I assume so they hardly have any reason to mess with Bioware.  Im sure they would not allow ME 3 development to last three years or longer though.  With that said, it could be worse folks...we could have Activision behind ME...

Imagine 6 ME games, 4 Liara spin offs, 8 Tali games including several for Nintendo Wii...

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Worse, imagine if Bioware was Blizzard. They'd start ME 3 and we'd see it in about 2015.

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@justinnstuff

Really off-topic, but that shotgun picture on the last page is driving me crazy.  Those shells are much too large to fit into that clip!  I notice stuff like that and then it keeps bothering me *moan*

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So far most Blizzard games were worth the wait at least imo

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To be honest Shav I'm just extremely annoyed that because of the sh!tty dialogue at the end of the comic, and they way it's been mis-scripted, people are misconstruing everything completeing and doubt Liara's loyalty, love and devotion to Shepard, something which evidently isn't case.



I'm thoroughly pissed off that the comic didn't provide more insight into Liara's ME2 situation, but I'm over that. What is still rankling me is that because of said sh!te script people are misunderstanding Liara completely and are saying "OMG LIARA DOESN'T LOVE SHEP ANYMORE ALL SHE CARES ABOUT IS FERON LOL" when that's patently not the case. People just need to bloody well analyse it, read between the lines, acknowledge the comic's inherent sh!tness, watch Liara in ME2, study her character again across both games, and realise that it isn't the bloody case.



I'm sorry, but I hate seeing these slanderous accusations being made against my favourite character. Especially when it's such an easy, wrong and lazy way to look at it. Read between the lines people, and analyse Liara for God's sake!

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@justinnstuff

Really off-topic, but that shotgun picture on the last page is driving me crazy.  Those shells are much too large to fit into that clip!  I notice stuff like that and then it keeps bothering me *moan*


I should replace it with a real pic of it. That one looks CGI made. I remember seeing a real pic of it a long time ago. I'll get it fixed.

EDIT - Is that any better?

Modifié par justinnstuff, 07 avril 2010 - 09:36 .


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From the summary I read in the Liara group, it seems Feron is definitely a waffler. Idk, I will read the comic tonight, but it seemed to be an underwhelming let-down. I don't believe Liara cares more about Feron than Shepard, either, but I don't like how the comic makes everything so vague up to this point. From what I understand, the comic presents Liara's desire to go back and save Feron as more important than her desire for Shepard.



Ok, maybe this dlc we'll be getting will provide more insight into Liara's role in ME2.



Idk, it's been a long day, and the comic ending on such an unsatisfactory tone like that is just very depressing.

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free tokens http://social.bioware.com/brc/967354

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Hello everyone, how are we feeling, anything new?:unsure:

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demongirl420 wrote...

free tokens http://social.bioware.com/brc/967354


Shut up, pothead.:whistle:

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Hello everyone, how are we feeling, anything new?:unsure:


Not really. It's calming down, but there's still some tension.

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screwoffreg wrote...

People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.


Who do you think decided to make a comic? Who set an obviously insufficient time frame and decided not to extend it once it became clear it was, duh, insufficient? Whose decision was it not to "waste" time making the second part of a trilogy, but a new game with the shooter fans and casual gamers as target audience? I could go on, but the bottom line is ME 2 has "EA" written all over it.

Not for a second do I believe that ME 2 would have turned out to be like *this*, if the good people who worked so hard on ME 1 would have been given the time, resources and freedom they had for ME 1. One could argue that all the changes were necessary to make it profitable, but I don't think that's true. For all we know, ME 1 was a financial success. The "problem" with EA is that for them profit absolutely has to be maximized, by any means necessary, at any cost to the product. Of course BioWare always had to look after the money, they too only exist because of it. But as long as they were independent, they could make their own decisions and could, even at the expense of losing some money, take the time needed to create a product that met their own high standards. That's over now, and it shows.

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justinnstuff wrote...

JPfanner wrote...
@justinnstuff

Really off-topic, but that shotgun picture on the last page is driving me crazy.  Those shells are much too large to fit into that clip!  I notice stuff like that and then it keeps bothering me *moan*


I should replace it with a real pic of it. That one looks CGI made. I remember seeing a real pic of it a long time ago. I'll get it fixed.

EDIT - Is that any better?

Hehe Image IPB  Thanks, the shell size versus the clip size kept triggering some obsessive/compulsive reaction in me and I kept going back to look at it.  I even zoomed in on the trigger to see if it was maybe an over/under rifle/shotgun. 

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Shav, I'd just completely ignore Liara's dialogue at the end of the comic there. It doesn't bother having her state her other motives in hunting the SB, it doesn't depict the handover of Shepard's corpse as being deeply traumatic, upsetting and haunting for Liara as it was in ME2. It doesn't show the start of Liara's guilt for handing over Shepard's corpse at the end of the comic, like it does in ME2. And it doesn't show Liara beginning to worry that Shepard will hate her for this, as it does in ME2.



The comic's presentation is so poor that I don't think you can really take anything from it and analyse, as it's so inherently sh!t and contradictory to what is shown and presented in ME2, that Liara still deeply loves Shepard, and is devoted to him/her.

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I am starting to think Bw is willingly choosing to go in this new direction, not because EA is forcing them, but because they now have the money to do so. It would be nice to blame EA, that way we still have some hope that Bw is still that awesome company we are used to them being. But I'm staring to doubt that this is the case.



Just my two cents.

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Enfants, is the comic even worth getting then?

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guys we can't be upset at each other, flame the writers all you want, but lets keep the peace. Due to the vagueness and unanswered questions we are all interpreting things differently, anyone could be right at this point, we are all just speculating based on how we have perceived the info thrown at us.

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Judging from the summary, no. When it deliberately contradicts what a hugely traumatic, guilt inducing, sorrowful and generally unpleasant decision it was for Liara to hand Shepard over to Cerberus as was shown in ME2, into something seemingly trivial, which is completely OOC for her) in the comic, then that suggests to me that it's plain not worth it. The presentation is that ****** poor.

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Shavon wrote...

Enfants, is the comic even worth getting then?

Have you gotten the other 3 issues?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To be honest Shav I'm just extremely annoyed that because of the sh!tty dialogue at the end of the comic, and they way it's been mis-scripted, people are misconstruing everything completeing and doubt Liara's loyalty, love and devotion to Shepard, something which evidently isn't case.

I'm thoroughly pissed off that the comic didn't provide more insight into Liara's ME2 situation, but I'm over that. What is still rankling me is that because of said sh!te script people are misunderstanding Liara completely and are saying "OMG LIARA DOESN'T LOVE SHEP ANYMORE ALL SHE CARES ABOUT IS FERON LOL" when that's patently not the case. People just need to bloody well analyse it, read between the lines, acknowledge the comic's inherent sh!tness, watch Liara in ME2, study her character again across both games, and realise that it isn't the bloody case.

I'm sorry, but I hate seeing these slanderous accusations being made against my favourite character. Especially when it's such an easy, wrong and lazy way to look at it. Read between the lines people, and analyse Liara for God's sake!


Well overall the whole comic series was worth nothing,didnt add anything to the whole Liara situation even seemed to contradict some of the stuff she says in ME2,if they were really supposed to coordinate the gamewith the comic they really failed in that department.
While I see they cant go with Liara as Li in the comic,it isnt a excuse for that ending,assuming she acted cold so Cerberus cannot use her possible relationship with Shepard I dont know,but the picture in the cabin says they didnt really buy it.
As for Feron I dont care about that guy,the Lizzard is dead and gone for sure.
As for Liara,well the whole thing raises questions about her,not really about her relationship with Feron but for various other reasons

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Shavon wrote...

I am starting to think Bw is willingly choosing to go in this new direction, not because EA is forcing them, but because they now have the money to do so. It would be nice to blame EA, that way we still have some hope that Bw is still that awesome company we are used to them being. But I'm staring to doubt that this is the case.


EA owns BioWare, you can't separate them anyway. That's also why there is little room for any hope. I fully expected changes of this kind the moment I read about the purchase, but it's still sad to see it happen.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 avril 2010 - 09:55 .


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Bah, double post.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 avril 2010 - 09:53 .


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Isn't what Liara says to Miranda kind of a clever turnaround of what TIM says to Liara? When Liara asks him why they want Shepard's body, he says that he can't expect her to understand human customs. And then she says that she won't do it for them, she'll do it for Shepard.

Then when she's talking to Miranda she feeds Miranda a version of TIM's line, like she's playing up the alien card.

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bjdbwea wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.


Who do you think decided to make a comic? Who set an obviously insufficient time frame and decided not to extend it once it became clear it was, duh, insufficient? Whose decision was it not to "waste" time making the second part of a trilogy, but a new game with the shooter fans and casual gamers as target audience? I could go on, but the bottom line is ME 2 has "EA" written all over it.

Not for a second do I believe that ME 2 would have turned out to be like *this*, if the good people who worked so hard on ME 1 would have been given the time, resources and freedom they had for ME 1. One could argue that all the changes were necessary to make it profitable, but I don't think that's true. For all we know, ME 1 was a financial success. The "problem" with EA is that for them profit absolutely has to be maximized, by any means necessary, at any cost to the product. Of course BioWare always had to look after the money, they too only exist because of it. But as long as they were independent, they could make their own decisions and could, even at the expense of losing some money, take the time needed to create a product that met their own high standards. That's over now, and it shows.


Well said, I'll drink to that...