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@Cartims - you've been drinking all day mate, may I join you?

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@Somebody yes I have the first three :)

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Judging from the summary, no. When it deliberately contradicts what a hugely traumatic, guilt inducing, sorrowful and generally unpleasant decision it was for Liara to hand Shepard over to Cerberus as was shown in ME2, into something seemingly trivial, which is completely OOC for her) in the comic, then that suggests to me that it's plain not worth it. The presentation is that ****** poor.


I'm wondering if the Asari attitude toward death has anything to do with Liara's reaction,( but then again I haven't read it yet ;p).  Feron is in pressing danger, and Shepard has been recovered.  Maybe Liara didn't want to expose her true feelings on the issue in front of Cerberus?  Idk, too much justifying the comic easily turns into fans only seeing what they want to see, and that has gotten us into trouble.  We have all been really hoping for some information and light shed on Liara's situation and it appears to nnot have happened.  I'll probably get the comic anyway, but this situation is very disappointiing.

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bjdbwea wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I am starting to think Bw is willingly choosing to go in this new direction, not because EA is forcing them, but because they now have the money to do so. It would be nice to blame EA, that way we still have some hope that Bw is still that awesome company we are used to them being. But I'm staring to doubt that this is the case.


EA owns BioWare, you can't separate them anyway. That's also why there is little room for any hope. I fully expected changes of this kind the moment I read about the purchase, but it's still sad to see it happen.


Very true.  The head/founder of Bw is a member of the board of directors for EA now.

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JPfanner wrote...

Isn't what Liara says to Miranda kind of a clever turnaround of what TIM says to Liara? When Liara asks him why they want Shepard's body, he says that he can't expect her to understand human customs. And then she says that she won't do it for them, she'll do it for Shepard.
Then when she's talking to Miranda she feeds Miranda a version of TIM's line, like she's playing up the alien card.


Ah yeah, kind of like bookending the whole story. Still contradicts what is said in ME2 though, where she says she "Couldn't let you go" whereas at the end of Redemption she tells Miranda that maybe you should let Shepard go.

It's such a total fricking mess. :blink:

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I've only read a brief synopsis of #4, but does anyone know if it gives any hint as to why TIM tells you that Liara is working for the SB at the start of ME2?

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frij wrote...

@Cartims - you've been drinking all day mate, may I join you?



My pleasure.....let's toast Liara and our reunion, whenever it is!

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Shavon wrote...


I'm wondering if the Asari attitude toward death has anything to do with Liara's reaction,( but then again I haven't read it yet ;p).  Feron is in pressing danger, and Shepard has been recovered.  Maybe Liara didn't want to expose her true feelings on the issue in front of Cerberus?  Idk, too much justifying the comic easily turns into fans only seeing what they want to see, and that has gotten us into trouble.  We have all been really hoping for some information and light shed on Liara's situation and it appears to nnot have happened.  I'll probably get the comic anyway, but this situation is very disappointiing.


But like I said, it contradicts what Liara tells Shepard in ME2, that she couldn't let you go. Something very atypical of the asari. Really, I don't think we can use Redemption as any basis for any theories or speculation. It's ended on that much of a mess.

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Cartims wrote...

frij wrote...

@Cartims - you've been drinking all day mate, may I join you?



My pleasure.....let's toast Liara and our reunion, whenever it is!


Woo hoo! *clink*...............*glug glug glug* :D

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Shavon wrote...


I'm wondering if the Asari attitude toward death has anything to do with Liara's reaction,( but then again I haven't read it yet ;p).  Feron is in pressing danger, and Shepard has been recovered.  Maybe Liara didn't want to expose her true feelings on the issue in front of Cerberus?  Idk, too much justifying the comic easily turns into fans only seeing what they want to see, and that has gotten us into trouble.  We have all been really hoping for some information and light shed on Liara's situation and it appears to nnot have happened.  I'll probably get the comic anyway, but this situation is very disappointiing.


But like I said, it contradicts what Liara tells Shepard in ME2, that she couldn't let you go. Something very atypical of the asari. Really, I don't think we can use Redemption as any basis for any theories or speculation. It's ended on that much of a mess.


It's a friggin comic, I don't know why I bought the damn thing....stupid, dumbed down story..just to make money. They got it so now let us move on.

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Shavon wrote...

@Somebody yes I have the first three :)

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Judging from the summary, no. When it deliberately contradicts what a hugely traumatic, guilt inducing, sorrowful and generally unpleasant decision it was for Liara to hand Shepard over to Cerberus as was shown in ME2, into something seemingly trivial, which is completely OOC for her) in the comic, then that suggests to me that it's plain not worth it. The presentation is that ****** poor.


I'm wondering if the Asari attitude toward death has anything to do with Liara's reaction,( but then again I haven't read it yet ;p).  Feron is in pressing danger, and Shepard has been recovered.  Maybe Liara didn't want to expose her true feelings on the issue in front of Cerberus?  Idk, too much justifying the comic easily turns into fans only seeing what they want to see, and that has gotten us into trouble.  We have all been really hoping for some information and light shed on Liara's situation and it appears to nnot have happened.  I'll probably get the comic anyway, but this situation is very disappointiing.

I think the comic was done poorly at the end but I refuse to believe that Liara has moved on, and doesnt love my Shepard still. The reunion showed that she still cared, and did that all for Shep.

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I guess since the comic really adds nothing to the game we can try to pretend it never happened or something

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After reading all the posts so far about the 4th comic and what Liara did in ME2 I am starting to feel somewhat distant from what is happening, like Cut off. Too many holes in the ship…. I think I’m just going to wait it out and see what, if anything, the BioWare writes can do to save the sinking ship that is my love for Liara’s Character. DLC would be a glimmer of hope, like a life raft. But the rest would have to be done in ME3… I do hope they can sort this all out…Image IPB

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Noxis6 wrote...

I guess since the comic really adds nothing to the game we can try to pretend it never happened or something


I gave the comics to my dog, he took a dump on it.......good boy!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Ah yeah, kind of like bookending the whole story. Still contradicts what is said in ME2 though, where she says she "Couldn't let you go" whereas at the end of Redemption she tells Miranda that maybe you should let Shepard go.

It's such a total fricking mess. :blink:

It is a mess, but I don't think any of us was exactly enthusiastic about learning that it was Cerberus behind reanimating Shepard.  I'm still amazed Shepard didn't get off that table themselves and start eating the people on that station.  My first playthrough I was constantly expecting to start developing side effects or something.  Apart from the cartoon scars and glowy eyes that is.
I think she's lying to Miranda about some things, and/or putting up a token resistance for her own conscience.  That she turns TIM's lies around to use on Miranda is just ironic.

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I think we're glossing over a key point, or maybe I just haven't been able to follow the discussion closely enough.... but two years is a long time to rethink one's decisions. Maybe Liara was OK with turning Shepard's body over to Cerberus. But she obviously isn't OK with it now! These cries of "Liara doesn't care" might be true in the immediate aftermath of Redemption. But she obviously had a change of heart since then. She can barely live with herself now.

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Noxis6 wrote...

I guess since the comic really adds nothing to the game we can try to pretend it never happened or something

All Im taking from the comic is this: She helped Cerberus get back Sheps body and Feron helped, and was lost so she wants to get back the the SB for what they did to her, him and Shep's body.

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ratzerman wrote...

I think we're glossing over a key point, or maybe I just haven't been able to follow the discussion closely enough.... but two years is a long time to rethink one's decisions. Maybe Liara was OK with turning Shepard's body over to Cerberus. But she obviously isn't OK with it now! These cries of "Liara doesn't care" might be true in the immediate aftermath of Redemption. But she obviously had a change of heart since then. She can barely live with herself now.


She's so distraught she turned grey... man they really better clean this up with DLC or an xpac. :blush:

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Looking closely at the last three pages of the comic, Liara's facial expressions and body language indicates that she's worried about her decision to give Shepard's body to Cerberus, she's concerned about what they'll do with it, and she's concerned if her decision is moral, but she's not nearly as worried as one would think she would be.   Maybe the artist had her show restraint since not everyone romanced her in  ME1.

EDIT:  Removed a bit of personal opinion from the description.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Looking closely at the last three pages of the comic, Liara's facial expressions and body language indicates that she's worried about her decision to give Shepard's body to Cerberus, she's concerned about what they'll do with it, and she's concerned if her decision is moral, but she's not nearly as worried as one would think she would be.   Maybe the artist had her show restraint since not everyone romanced her in  ME1.

EDIT:  Removed a bit of personal opinion from the description.


this is a huge part of it. They made the comic but cannot assume some very basic things we take for granted. They can't assume she's the LI and they can't assume whether it's male or femshep. Stuff like this makes the writing more generic. As much crap as we give them. They don't have a lot of room to work with.

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Guys/Girls we need a new Liara pic!

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ratzerman wrote...

I think we're glossing over a key point, or maybe I just haven't been able to follow the discussion closely enough.... but two years is a long time to rethink one's decisions. Maybe Liara was OK with turning Shepard's body over to Cerberus. But she obviously isn't OK with it now! These cries of "Liara doesn't care" might be true in the immediate aftermath of Redemption. But she obviously had a change of heart since then. She can barely live with herself now.


Thanks for that!  That makes this slightly less depresing:P

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bjdbwea wrote...

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People here keep slamming EA but I am not sure they are the enemy. They seem to give free reign to succesful franchises.


Who do you think decided to make a comic? Who set an obviously insufficient time frame and decided not to extend it once it became clear it was, duh, insufficient? Whose decision was it not to "waste" time making the second part of a trilogy, but a new game with the shooter fans and casual gamers as target audience? I could go on, but the bottom line is ME 2 has "EA" written all over it.

Not for a second do I believe that ME 2 would have turned out to be like *this*, if the good people who worked so hard on ME 1 would have been given the time, resources and freedom they had for ME 1. One could argue that all the changes were necessary to make it profitable, but I don't think that's true. For all we know, ME 1 was a financial success. The "problem" with EA is that for them profit absolutely has to be maximized, by any means necessary, at any cost to the product. Of course BioWare always had to look after the money, they too only exist because of it. But as long as they were independent, they could make their own decisions and could, even at the expense of losing some money, take the time needed to create a product that met their own high standards. That's over now, and it shows.


In any medium whether it's a book, film or video game a great story begins on the page.  If you don't write a good script, which is your foundation, you will get yourself into a sticky situation.  Lack of time might hinder a game in gameplay/technical aspect but it really shouldn't affect the story which should be completed before the first texture is created.  The problems with ME2 started when someone had the crack-addled idea to make the plot about a suicide mission and Shepard joining Cerberus.  I don't see how anyone can blame EA for any story decisions regarding ME2.  As far as we can tell it's down to lead writer Mac Walters and it's about time someone called him out and he stood up like a man.

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Guys/Girls we need a new Liara pic!


I tried to earlier, but I was shot down (well some shot me down and some were happy to be honest) maybe you'll have better luck :P

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*Scratches head*... one thing i don't really get it...

In last part Lili says she need to help a friend so we can assume that this is related to Feron... but that new enemy stuff sounds pretty weird.



She already fought SB so he is out of the picture as "new" because he was her enemy since first issue, TiM?... doubtfull, Collectors/Reapers?...then she would not hesitated to join whit Shepard...

Is then possible that there is one more for now hidden "party" involved in this whole mess or i cant really put together this puzzle in some plausible form?

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