I can only see 2 theories left, either she's not fully telling the truth to a certain party, or Ratz is right and they hit the reset button.
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#14027
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:40
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Yep, the whole story was never deep to begin with and was probably more of a marketing experiment than anything else. The comics are an action packed, character shallow version of LIKE what happened between ME1 and ME2. Much like watching the elcor version of Hamlet would be a different experience from that of the Royal Shakespearean Theatre.Somebody1003 wrote...
All Im taking from the comic is this: She helped Cerberus get back Sheps body and Feron helped, and was lost so she wants to get back the the SB for what they did to her, him and Shep's body.
I believe what Liara tells me on Illium. The comics fail in not following the game or it's characters close enough. Not the other way around. Bioware still should have done a much much better job with all the ME1 LI's in the game though for sure.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:41
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yorkj86 wrote...
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But does she say the exact same thing about Liara if she wasnt your LI?justinnstuff wrote...
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I picked up this line with the new Kasumi DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
They did a minor acknowledgement of the romance from one of your squadies. It's a step in the right direction. I wish more dialogue like that was in the game. It at least shows that BioWare is aware that the romance is still there, rocky or not.
Really?! She says that?! When?
This is big news, Justin.
It's one of her random lines during the game after you get the mission to head to Illium for your dossiers. This DLC was really well done. She's got a ton of dialogue, more than any other character. They covered so many aspects of the game. It's amazing how one little droplet of info or some confirmation goes such a long way.
No, instead she says something about whoever it is you're currently romancing. See above, my comment about her comment about Jack, if Shepard is romancing her, for example.
Makes me feel much better.
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Yeah, if anything Im going with ME2, and what she said. "Because I couldnt let you go".JPfanner wrote...
Yep, the whole story was never deep to begin with and was probably more of a marketing experiment than anything else. The comics are an action packed, character shallow version of LIKE what happened between ME1 and ME2. Much like watching the elcor version of Hamlet would be a different experience from that of the Royal Shakespearean Theatre.Somebody1003 wrote...
All Im taking from the comic is this: She helped Cerberus get back Sheps body and Feron helped, and was lost so she wants to get back the the SB for what they did to her, him and Shep's body.
I believe what Liara tells me on Illium. The comics fail in not following the game or it's characters close enough. Not the other way around. Bioware still should have done a much much better job with all the ME1 LI's in the game though for sure.
Im sticking with that.
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yorkj86 wrote...
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york, what is the exact dialogue during the body handover? I would like to know so I can make some judgements myself. I don't actually know if she says specifically that Miranda should let Shepard go.
Miranda: "You did well, Liara. We were right to put our faith in you -- Shepard obviously made some very good friends. I just wish I had better news for you -- We may not be able to restore Shepard after all. The body is in worse shape than we expected. There were some preservation systems in the pod, but they were hardly optimal."
Liara: "Then I don't see the point, Miranda. Maybe I don't know what human traditions are -- But I really think you should let the dead rest. This isn't what I brought Shepard back for. This is almost like -- Like --"
Miranda: "Like something the Collectors would have done? We don't know what they would have done, Liara -- Though hopefully the information you brought back may suggest something. And it might not be as bad as you think -- The Boss is more hopeful about Shepard's prospects. We're willing to spend everything we've got -- But it will take a very long time, if it works at all. I wouldn't sit around waiting here."
And then Liara and Miranda talk about whether or not Cerberus will do anything about Feron, and Liara says she's going to go off and try to find out what's become of him.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Also, in what context and what is the dialogue like when Liara says something to Feron like "Words aren't the only things that speak the truth."? People seem to misinterpreting that very line, and I want to see what Liara is referring to and what is said immidiately prior to that.
I admit, it could be taken several ways. Liara is grasping one of his arms, and has a hand on his shoulder. He is facing away from her, but there's no real indication of intimacy, if that's the concern.
EDIT: Grammar.
Thanks york. Interesting to read what the conversation between Liara and Miranda is.
Regarding Liara's line to Feron, I was wondering if it's said in the context that Feron is telling Liara that he genuinely wanted to save Shepard, and he knows he's been untrustworthy as a triple agent. Liara then basically says to him "Actions speak louder than words", but worded in a funny way. And this is what people were getting their panties in a twist over?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:43
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Somebody1003 wrote...
Why's that?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:44
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justinnstuff wrote...
I can only see 2 theories left, either she's not fully telling the truth to a certain party, or Ratz is right and they hit the reset button.
Ratz seems to be rright. They clearly did this with the Virmire Survivor.
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Thanks york. Interesting to read what the conversation between Liara and Miranda is.
Regarding Liara's line to Feron, I was wondering if it's said in the context that Feron is telling Liara that he genuinely wanted to save Shepard, and he knows he's been untrustworthy as a triple agent. Liara then basically says to him "Actions speak louder than words", but worded in a funny way. And this is what people were getting their panties in a twist over?
Yes. Because instead of listening to York the first time about "dont' read too deep into this" they just read the cliff notes and made assumptions. I'm not trying to be rude to anyone, but that's what happened. He warned us several times and everyone still jumped off the bridge.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:44
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Oh, great...... now I'm hallucinating. I could swear that you just said an NPC in ME2 acknowledged that at one time you had a relaltionship of some kind with Liara. And then wonders if it was hard seeing her again. That's impossible. I need to go to the emergency room or something.....justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
They did a minor acknowledgement of the romance from one of your squadies. It's a step in the right direction. I wish more dialogue like that was in the game. It at least shows that BioWare is aware that the romance is still there, rocky or not.
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It acknowledges the romance you had with her. Shows a slight glimmer of hope for a future romance with Liara.yorkj86 wrote...
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Why's that?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:44
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justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi
DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done
business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item
before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
Picking it apart I know, but note she said, were an item, not, are an item.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:45
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I just wanted to say, the way the Collector is holding the pod in which Shepard's body is contained is absolutely adorable. It's hugging it so close.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:46
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york, is it true that the SB talks to Liara through a Collector a la Harbinger?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:47
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In retrospect I am reminded of the movie Elizabeth. I am assuming Shepard is a woman, of course, but this applies to a man.
In the film (partially in real life, but more dramatically in the film), Elizabeth is told by her trusted advisor that she must become a symbol to the people of England, to replace the Virgin Mary in a sense (Catholicism was being cast out) to give the masses something to look up to.
In ME 3, things will be dark. The Reapers will strike from every angle and many will probably die. Shepard cannot afford the luxury of personal feelings any longer. As TIM said, she/he is a symbol of humanity strength and defiance of the Reapers. You weren't brought back to love, to marry, to enjoy what normal people do. You were returned to fight, to resist, and defy a force that has existed for billions of years.
In the end of the movie, Elizabeth shaves her beautiful, long hair. She gives up her feminity for a sort of "artificial" appearance like that of a statue. She also never marries, refusing to let any come before her nation.
Shepard will have to give up much more than Liara perhaps to see the war at its end...
In the film (partially in real life, but more dramatically in the film), Elizabeth is told by her trusted advisor that she must become a symbol to the people of England, to replace the Virgin Mary in a sense (Catholicism was being cast out) to give the masses something to look up to.
In ME 3, things will be dark. The Reapers will strike from every angle and many will probably die. Shepard cannot afford the luxury of personal feelings any longer. As TIM said, she/he is a symbol of humanity strength and defiance of the Reapers. You weren't brought back to love, to marry, to enjoy what normal people do. You were returned to fight, to resist, and defy a force that has existed for billions of years.
In the end of the movie, Elizabeth shaves her beautiful, long hair. She gives up her feminity for a sort of "artificial" appearance like that of a statue. She also never marries, refusing to let any come before her nation.
Shepard will have to give up much more than Liara perhaps to see the war at its end...
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:48
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ratzerman wrote...
Oh, great...... now I'm hallucinating. I could swear that you just said an NPC in ME2 acknowledged that at one time you had a relaltionship of some kind with Liara. And then wonders if it was hard seeing her again. That's impossible. I need to go to the emergency room or something.....justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
They did a minor acknowledgement of the romance from one of your squadies. It's a step in the right direction. I wish more dialogue like that was in the game. It at least shows that BioWare is aware that the romance is still there, rocky or not.
I'll be more specific. Kasumi herself tells you this. I shoulda been more specific :happy:
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Reading the dialogue from when Liara hands the corpse over to Cerberus, I still can't quite get my head around it. No matter how many times I read it, it still seems contradictory to the "I couldn't let you go" from ME2.
Help me out here someone, it may be the fact that I'm really tired and it's starting to affect my thinking.
Help me out here someone, it may be the fact that I'm really tired and it's starting to affect my thinking.
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Reading the dialogue from when Liara hands the corpse over to Cerberus, I still can't quite get my head around it. No matter how many times I read it, it still seems contradictory to the "I couldn't let you go" from ME2.
Help me out here someone, it may be the fact that I'm really tired and it's starting to affect my thinking.
It is as it sounds, there's not much change in interpretation no matter how many times you read it. However, after she says it, she starts to choke on her words. What else was she going to say? Did she regret what she just said? Those are the questions I have right now.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:51
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scmadsen wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi
DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done
business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item
before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
Picking it apart I know, but note she said, were an item, not, are an item.
The pessimist BioWare created in me tells me this is what BioWare thinks of the relationship now. It's over.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 10:52
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Reading the dialogue from when Liara hands the corpse over to Cerberus, I still can't quite get my head around it. No matter how many times I read it, it still seems contradictory to the "I couldn't let you go" from ME2.
Help me out here someone, it may be the fact that I'm really tired and it's starting to affect my thinking.
Liara will be in ME 3, maybe even a romance eventually.
Mark Meer has said the game will be dark, very dark. Its about war after all, and I imagine a lost lover will be the least of Shepard's worries, but as always, Bioware is a videogame company. Videogame companies like to give players endings they can enjoy, that is ensured. It may take a hellish trip to get there...
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york, is it true that the SB talks to Liara through a Collector a la Harbinger?
Yes. I was wondering why people weren't talking about this. The comic makes it appear as if the SB is communicating telepathically with the Collector. The Collector is monologuing, then it starts to trail off, and Tazzik is wondering what the heck it's talking about, what the heck is going on with the Collector. Then it starts talking again, at full-strength, and points at Feron and says, "The Shadow Broker says -- Feron is the traitor!"
It's no "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL", but it's very curious in the way it happens.
EDIT: Grammar, corrected an error with who the Collector is pointing at.
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Looks like your optimism has run out and you are accepting the truth.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Reading the dialogue from when Liara hands the corpse over to Cerberus, I still can't quite get my head around it. No matter how many times I read it, it still seems contradictory to the "I couldn't let you go" from ME2.
Help me out here someone, it may be the fact that I'm really tired and it's starting to affect my thinking.
I still go with what she said in ME2, the game is what counts way more then the comic.
I am going to wait until I have the actual comic in my hands and read it before I decide on anything.
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WilliamShatner wrote...
scmadsen wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi
DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done
business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item
before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
Picking it apart I know, but note she said, were an item, not, are an item.
The pessimist BioWare created in me tells me this is what BioWare thinks of the relationship now. It's over.
I think we have to accept for all intents and purposes IT IS OVER. There are lingering memories of days gone by, but that is all. Shepard was dead, as in perma-dead until techology and billions of credits spent by terrorists saved him/her.
ME 3 will be about reacquainting yourself with Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and seeing if there is anything there would salvaging. That is the players decision...
Its rough, but what did we expect? A Disney ride?
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I think we have to accept for all intents and purposes IT IS OVER. There are lingering memories of days gone by, but that is all. Shepard was dead, as in perma-dead until techology and billions of credits spent by terrorists saved him/her.
ME 3 will be about reacquainting yourself with Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and seeing if there is anything there would salvaging. That is the players decision...
Its rough, but what did we expect? A Disney ride?
A disney ride? Not after Mark Meer himself commented on how dark the game was and Mac showed up to write the story.
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yorkj86 wrote...
morrie23 wrote...
york, is it true that the SB talks to Liara through a Collector a la Harbinger?
Yes. I was wondering why people weren't talking about this. The comic makes it appear as if the SB is communicating telepathically with the Collector. The Collector is monologuing, then it starts to trail off, and Tazzik is wondering what the heck it's talking about. Then it starts talking again, at full-strength, and points at Tazzik and says, "The Shadow Broker says -- Feron is the traitor!" It's no "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL', but it's very curious in the way it happens.
Well, that's very interesting. Regardless of what we all think of the rest of the comic, this in itself is something new. However, if BW were going to play the Shadow Broker as a Reaper, I've got to wonder how the hell they would pull it off considering ME1.
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screwoffreg wrote...
WilliamShatner wrote...
scmadsen wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
I picked up this line with the new Kasumi
DLC.
"Liara: "Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done
business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item
before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time.""
Picking it apart I know, but note she said, were an item, not, are an item.
The pessimist BioWare created in me tells me this is what BioWare thinks of the relationship now. It's over.
I think we have to accept for all intents and purposes IT IS OVER. There are lingering memories of days gone by, but that is all. Shepard was dead, as in perma-dead until techology and billions of credits spent by terrorists saved him/her.
ME 3 will be about reacquainting yourself with Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and seeing if there is anything there would salvaging. That is the players decision...
Its rough, but what did we expect? A Disney ride?
I expected it to BUILD on the original like all good sequels do not BREAK and SMASH it down.
