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JaylaClark

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scmadsen wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Go with ME2, 100% People need to realise that the presentation in the comic is so poor and contradictory, that you can't really take any of it serious and at face value.

I mean, look at how it doesn't depict Liara handing over the corpse to Cerberus as such a massively traumatising, guilt inducing soul destroyer. It's ridiculous.

The bottom line is, they screwed up by not having Liara state all of her motives for hunting the Shadow Broker, and didn't show all of the emotions and suffering and guilt she's had to deal with for two years, as it's showcased in ME2. ME2 makes it plainly clear that Liara is suffering, and it's because of her love for Shepard. Redemption shows only little of that.

Trust the game, and nothing else, Do not take the comic at face value.




To play devil's advocate here...Liara could be broken up over Feron and not Shepard...if she was truly in this dark place, because she loves and misses Shepard...then why not go with Shepard, and sort it all out on the Normandy...if the very fiber of her being, is that she loves and misses Shepard with all her heart and soul...then wouldn't going with Shepard, no matter what Shepard is now, be more important then anything? Liara isn't going to figure out what Cerberus did to Shepard, or what Shepard has become, by sitting in her office.


Valid arguments, all -- I think, to continue my free-association, that we've found out just how Liara was misled.  Liara thinks it's entirely possible that Shepard, at least as she knows Shepard, is gone for good anyway, and she lets Feron get captured/killed for effectively nothing.  (I STILL haven't seen the summation on the group, by the way, but most of the salient points have come out already, including the specific quotes I've been going on.)  So she feels she has to atone for her selfishness?

Another random thought, in the critically-mixed-reviews-Buffy-Season-Eight comics, written by THE Whedon by the way, Willow says that she brings back Buffy in the Season Six opener, pretty much ... because she couldn't let her go.  And she feels guilty about that ... especially accounting for how Buffy made it into heaven and all.  This is yet another factor, Shepard might be in a better place according to Liara's beliefs, and she's getting yanked back into this plane of existence... though at least she doesn't have to claw through a coffin and dig herself out like Buffy did.

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I just wish the end of the comic series would have seen us saying "aaaaah, THATS why she's acting like she is dammit!!!, that explains EVERYTHING, thanks Bioware, our doubts have been eased and I love you now and forever amen" instead of "you motherfcking asses, the only way ANY of this makes sense is if Liara has a thing for Feron!" which is how I interpreted it anyway...*sigh*

#14128
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Yeah the real rub for me is if you know Shepard is "gunning for the Collectors" as Liara so casually says then you have to know NO ship has survived the jump to the Omega 4 Relay. Its likely Shepard is going to a more permanent death. You have NOTHING to say? Really? REALLY? Maybe you got over Shepard, maybe you've moved on, maybe you're more concerned with Feron, but hell, the first person you bonded with is about to go on the most dangerous mission in history and all you can ask for is hacking help?



Man, talk about some **** right there.

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@JaylaClark

Everyone seems to be frustrated, and with good reason.  The comic conclusion sucked and we've been hoping it made more sense than the game for more than two months.  And it doesn't at all.
People are just expressing that frustration differently.  Asking for perspective on an issue from other people is hardly less constructive than cackling and gloating while running around ringing funeral bells.

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rynluna wrote...

lol, I guess there's a way of looking at that positively too. 
I love logging on and interracting with other Liara fans.  It's just a tough day for all of us.  I'm going by what the game says though and on the promise that Bioware says we will have our love interests back in ME3.  I think it's the long wait that is killing everyone.

Agreed.  This has been a rough day for everyone.  A lot of old wounds have been re-opened.  But we're not any worse off than we were before.  Sure, Redemption could've been something really special.  But it sucked ass.  We need to accept the pain, own it, and ride this out.

I can't believe I'm posting stuff like that.  What the heck is wrong with me?
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I feel for you guys, but like many of you said, (Jamie), you shouldn't take this crappy piece of comic too seriously ...

There is still place for a good romance conclusion in ME3 even if I personally find the idea of reseting the ME1 romance strange . They already expanded the fanbase with ME2

I would like to see substancial consequences regarding my decisions in the previous games



Also @Jlb524 : I wanna romance your avatar . Will Shisk marry me ?

#14132
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I just realized this thread has been near the top ALL day. I am sure someone realizes people are rather upset.

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scmadsen wrote...


To play devil's advocate here...Liara could be broken up over Feron and not Shepard...if she was truly in this dark place, because she loves and misses Shepard...then why not go with Shepard, and sort it all out on the Normandy...if the very fiber of her being, is that she loves and misses Shepard with all her heart and soul...then wouldn't going with Shepard, no matter what Shepard is now, be more important then anything? Liara isn't going to figure out what Cerberus did to Shepard, or what Shepard has become, by sitting in her office.


Because she IS broken up over Shepard!! She even bloody says that in-game during ME2! And the fact that she's so broken up over Shepard, the person she loves, is what's fuelling her desire to end the Shadow Broker. Because of her failure to cope with her guilt, sorrow and emotional torment, she transfers all of that despair into hate and projects it onto a convenient individual in the Shadow Broker. Liara believes that by ending the Shdow Broker, it will help ease her pain and she'll be happy again. We're artifically prevented from comforting Liara in ME2 because they need to maintain the status quo of her being hurt and in emotional pain, because they're holding it over for the DLC, and because they need a reason for her to not be on the Normandy. If we were able to comfort her, and ease her pain and tell her that offing the SB isn't going to make her feel better, then she'd be right back on the Normandy at Shep's side, happy and contented again and with the person we love.

My advice is to wait for the DLC.

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frij wrote...

I just wish the end of the comic series would have seen us saying "aaaaah, THATS why she's acting like she is dammit!!!, that explains EVERYTHING, thanks Bioware, our doubts have been eased and I love you now and forever amen" instead of "you motherfcking asses, the only way ANY of this makes sense is if Liara has a thing for Feron!" which is how I interpreted it anyway...*sigh*


No, to find out more....YOU MUST PAY

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yorkj86 wrote...

I think the new Liarafan mantra should be: "I'm not angry at Liara. I'm angry at Bioware."


That was my mantra right from the beginning.

#14136
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@Jayla

That is one way to look at it, that Liara feels guilty that she might have ripped Shepard from an afterlife to be little more then a zombie now. That would make one feel pretty bad.

@screwoffreg

Another good point. Liara is seeing Shepard walk off to die again, and she has nothing to say about it. That's very cold, down right heartless.

Modifié par scmadsen, 08 avril 2010 - 12:21 .


#14137
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I wonder how much the DLC and Expansion will be canon considering they are "extra". Awakenings in the DA world had almost no connection to ANYTHING else in the world except old Oghren!

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Cartims wrote...

frij wrote...

I just wish the end of the comic series would have seen us saying "aaaaah, THATS why she's acting like she is dammit!!!, that explains EVERYTHING, thanks Bioware, our doubts have been eased and I love you now and forever amen" instead of "you motherfcking asses, the only way ANY of this makes sense is if Liara has a thing for Feron!" which is how I interpreted it anyway...*sigh*


No, to find out more....YOU MUST PAY


then you DO pay, get disappointed, and then they dangle another carrot in front of you and it all happens again! Gosh I took my pessimistic pills today!
Will still pay for DLC...they have me right where they want me *cue evil laugh from Casey* :devil:

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frij wrote...

I just wish the end of the comic series would have seen us saying "aaaaah, THATS why she's acting like she is dammit!!!, that explains EVERYTHING, thanks Bioware, our doubts have been eased and I love you now and forever amen" instead of "you motherfcking asses, the only way ANY of this makes sense is if Liara has a thing for Feron!" which is how I interpreted it anyway...*sigh*


+100

These are my feelings exactly.

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FiveThreeTen wrote...

I feel for you guys, but like many of you said, (Jamie), you shouldn't take this crappy piece of comic too seriously ...
There is still place for a good romance conclusion in ME3 even if I personally find the idea of reseting the ME1 romance strange . They already expanded the fanbase with ME2
I would like to see substancial consequences regarding my decisions in the previous games

Also @Jlb524 : I wanna romance your avatar . Will Shisk marry me ?


Ut oh, your in trouble now Jlb524, Miranda wants your bod.....Image IPB

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Angry at Bioware?... no... i am furious mad at them for murdering of this once so promised SF RPG series...

But what you expect if bunch of shotter lovers steal someone's else work?

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 08 avril 2010 - 12:23 .


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I'll just leave this here. 
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FiveThreeTen wrote...

Also @Jlb524 : I wanna romance your avatar . Will Shisk marry me ?


Yeah, he totally digs Miranda.

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screwoffreg wrote...

I just realized this thread has been near the top ALL day. I am sure someone realizes people are rather upset.


Lets just hope someone notices. This thread has't been this active in a long time, if ever. We've gotten how many new pages today?

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Well I am going to get back to my story. I feel kinda depressed now because I am at the part where things get dark for awhile, lol. Then it looks like they get darker for the brief vignette in ME 2 I was planning to include. Man, hard to write some hopeful stuff when Bioware keeps giving me rough material!!!!

Here is a song that Shepard can play the night before Omega:


Modifié par screwoffreg, 08 avril 2010 - 12:24 .


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jlb524 wrote...

frij wrote...

I just wish the end of the comic series would have seen us saying "aaaaah, THATS why she's acting like she is dammit!!!, that explains EVERYTHING, thanks Bioware, our doubts have been eased and I love you now and forever amen" instead of "you motherfcking asses, the only way ANY of this makes sense is if Liara has a thing for Feron!" which is how I interpreted it anyway...*sigh*


+100

These are my feelings exactly.


aaah, my very first interweb points...thanks Jlb!! :bandit:

#14147
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scmadsen wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
/snip

/sweary snip


I'd really like to think this is the case...that Liara is just scared out of her mind, what Shepard is now, what Cerberus did to her love, and what's going to happen with their relationship once all this drama with the Collectors settles down...but as I said before...why didn't she drop everything and go with Shepard? She isn't going to figure out what Cerberus did to Shepard and what Shepard has become, by sitting in her office.


Well, this is the dangling thread, why I'm not going to try to flip anyone over from EPIC FAIL to EPIC WIN on the comic.  There have got to be other issues tying her down to where she is, except if she thinks that saving Feron is still her obligation.  Then again, someone in an information-broker position ... as far as we know ... probably has significant-pause debts out the ol' wazoo, and I still think it'd be irresponsible to leave those unanswered, but I still need a little bit more.

Truth be told, it only upgrades the comic a bit ... from EPIC fail to just PLAIN fail.  Especially since I gather nothing was particularly shocking to game player readers.  But this ... sounds like it could be tied in to continuity without utter disaster.

(Which is better than I was expecting to say when I was reading at lunchtime, trying to keep up but my phone has psycho lag with this website.  I was expecting to say... oh, hell, go to thatguywiththeglasses.com, fire up the North review from the Nostalgia Critic, and look for the reaction to the big reveal.  Then point it at Mac.  THAT was what I was expecting to say.)

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For the last frigging time, how many times to I have to reiterate that the only logical explanation is not that Liara has a thing for Feron? Jesus Christ.

Some of you need to seriously get a grip. Just because Liara has associated with someone else, and you can't be bothered to look deeper into why she doesn't come running like a lapdog when Shepard snaps his/her fingers, you assume the easiest and laziest reason, one with no basis in fact or evidence at all.

Wisen up, people. Please.

Modifié par LesEnfantsTerribles, 08 avril 2010 - 12:26 .


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It's just one possible interpretation Les, easy

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jlb524 wrote...

FiveThreeTen wrote...

Also @Jlb524 : I wanna romance your avatar . Will Shisk marry me ?


Yeah, he totally digs Miranda.


Good, I was afraid he might still have feelings for Gavorn
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Last non related Liara content I swear