I guess it's a good thing she kills Nyxeris or we'd have people wringing their hands over how Liara must be having constant hot sex with her on the desk while Shepard is away.
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#14176
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:41
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There isn't any basis for a relationship between Liara and Feron. Especially not with everything Liara tells you, she is attracted to Shepard because she feels an innate connection to them. At no point does she express that with Feron. He sacrificed himself for her and Shepard, she wants to repay that debt for her own peace of mind. That is a noble thing.
I guess it's a good thing she kills Nyxeris or we'd have people wringing their hands over how Liara must be having constant hot sex with her on the desk while Shepard is away.
I guess it's a good thing she kills Nyxeris or we'd have people wringing their hands over how Liara must be having constant hot sex with her on the desk while Shepard is away.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:41
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[quote]LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Everyone seems to forget how much meaning importance Liara put into the Union when she was talking to Shepard about it. If she gave Shepards body to Cerberus, knowing they could bring him back, then I don't think that it is at all within her character to "just move on", especially after only a few months. Not after joining consciousness with Shepard and seeing everything about him. She hasn't moved on. She can't.[/quote]
Thank you beavis. Wise words my friend. People forget how Liara described the asari union in ME1, and how deep and spiritual it is to her, and how it's the ultimate loving bond that transcends time and space between two devoted, trusting lovers and partners. That's how much Shepard means to Liara.
As for Liara trying to rescue Feron, can you people possibly try to see that Liara is appreciative of Feron's sacrifice alone, and that's why she's hunting him? It's not about him as a person at all, or any ridiculous feelings for him?
Or are you so damn possesive, jealous and paranoid that you can't stand it if Liara is associated with someone else? You see her with someone that isn't Shepard and go "OMG CHEATER BLARGH!!!"
Like I said, get a grip.
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Les.......it's martini time, I'll make yours blue
Everyone seems to forget how much meaning importance Liara put into the Union when she was talking to Shepard about it. If she gave Shepards body to Cerberus, knowing they could bring him back, then I don't think that it is at all within her character to "just move on", especially after only a few months. Not after joining consciousness with Shepard and seeing everything about him. She hasn't moved on. She can't.[/quote]
Thank you beavis. Wise words my friend. People forget how Liara described the asari union in ME1, and how deep and spiritual it is to her, and how it's the ultimate loving bond that transcends time and space between two devoted, trusting lovers and partners. That's how much Shepard means to Liara.
As for Liara trying to rescue Feron, can you people possibly try to see that Liara is appreciative of Feron's sacrifice alone, and that's why she's hunting him? It's not about him as a person at all, or any ridiculous feelings for him?
Or are you so damn possesive, jealous and paranoid that you can't stand it if Liara is associated with someone else? You see her with someone that isn't Shepard and go "OMG CHEATER BLARGH!!!"
Like I said, get a grip.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:42
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I guess it's a good thing she kills Nyxeris or we'd have people wringing their hands over how Liara must be having constant hot sex with her on the desk while Shepard is away.
I knew it.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:43
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Okay, I see a pattern, by the way...
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
#14180
Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:43
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It's not about Liara being a cheater...I'd be happy if the Liara that isn't romanced found someone, rather then sinking into a pit of despair at never having Shepard. Don't assume it's about being jealous over the idea of Liara with someone else. No, a non-romanced Liara needs to move on and find someone better then the jerk Shepard that can't see how much the ME1 Liara cared for her/him or the Shepard that didn't have some faith in Liara.
The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:44
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What exactly does Kasumi say about Liara? I've clicked on her like 90 times but didn't hear her say anything about Liara. I am not romancing anyone on the ST2 Normandy, and romanced Liara in ME1 for this save file I'm currently playing.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:45
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Les, its not about being jealous and possessive at all, I think you are needlessly slating fellow Liara fans now with your almost rabid defensive position. We are all in the dark here and just stating our OPINIONS, you may not agree with them though I would suggest taking a step back, no-one else has been attacking on this forum today as you have. You are taking this far too personally
Nope, I'm just getting frustrated and tired with people making ridiculous assertions about my favourite character with no basis in fact at all. Having an opnion is fine, but not when it's based on a cocktail of insecurity, jealousy, paranoia, possessiveness, laziness, ignorance and a lack of trust in Liara as a character. Do you people not actually listen to what she says in ME1? Do you not read the comic, and realise that it's presentation and script should not be taken as gospel due to it's glaring inconsistencies and contradictions. I could handle all of these slanderous assertions if there was some merit to them, but there isn't.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:45
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Somebody1003 wrote...
I dont have photoshop.rynluna wrote...
http://media.photobu.../sexy7.jpg?o=20
Somebody remove the hair and paint her blue!!!!!!
lol, I meant anyone but I see what you did there.
I actually have photoshop but not very skilled. It's a damned sexy picture though. Wasn't sure if I could post it here.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:47
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scmadsen wrote...
It's not about Liara being a cheater...I'd be happy if the Liara that isn't romanced found someone, rather then sinking into a pit of despair at never having Shepard. Don't assume it's about being jealous over the idea of Liara with someone else. No, a non-romanced Liara needs to move on and find someone better then the jerk Shepard that can't see how much the ME1 Liara cared for her/him or the Shepard that didn't have some faith in Liara.
The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:47
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Okay, I see a pattern, by the way...
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
Do I win something?
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:48
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That's not even Liara though. Bioware made the choice to do that when they decided not to give Shepard and Liara any chance to discuss the relationship, express any feelings, or even get clarification on some points. Liara as a character isn't any colder or indifferent than Shepard is. And it is insanely out of character and a complete failure at writing that situation exists.scmadsen wrote...
It's not about Liara being a cheater...I'd be happy if the Liara that isn't romanced found someone, rather then sinking into a pit of despair at never having Shepard. Don't assume it's about being jealous over the idea of Liara with someone else. No, a non-romanced Liara needs to move on and find someone better then the jerk Shepard that can't see how much the ME1 Liara cared for her/him or the Shepard that didn't have some faith in Liara.
The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:49
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Sakhalin wrote...
What exactly does Kasumi say about Liara? I've clicked on her like 90 times but didn't hear her say anything about Liara. I am not romancing anyone on the ST2 Normandy, and romanced Liara in ME1 for this save file I'm currently playing.
"Liara T'Soni's got quite a reputation. I've done business with her people before. I hear you and she were an item before. I bet it was hard running into her again after all this time."
This only triggers after going to Illium for the first time.
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scmadsen wrote...
It's not about Liara being a cheater...I'd be happy if the Liara that isn't romanced found someone, rather then sinking into a pit of despair at never having Shepard. Don't assume it's about being jealous over the idea of Liara with someone else. No, a non-romanced Liara needs to move on and find someone better then the jerk Shepard that can't see how much the ME1 Liara cared for her/him or the Shepard that didn't have some faith in Liara.
The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
Well, THIS for starters, but I know I've been too scared to admit how I'm feeling in a lot of places.
Though wingedmoggy's Puppet cartoon in devi had an interesting point...
ShepardPuppet -- "Really, Liara? You did all that for me? I'm really moved by your devotion and am eager to help you in any way that I can!"
LiLiPuppet -- "Well, you can help by letting me do my work! And also not hating me. And giving me a hug."
If she really feels that she needs to do what she's doing... though some of us will never be satisfied that she could have any excuse to do that. Even if it's to atone for her guilt by tracking down and ending someone that could best make the galaxy a better place by leaving it permanently.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:50
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Cartims wrote...
JaylaClark wrote...
Okay, I see a pattern, by the way...
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
Do I win something?
YOU get a No-Prize!
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:50
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The Liara that was romanced though...to start to care for someone, when you know Shepard is gonna come back, even if you don't know in what form...when yes, it is clear how much it means to Liara to have bonded with Shepard...that's just beyond words. For Liara to have Shepard walk back into her life, and she can't break away to be with Shepard again, to figure out what's going on here, and see where they are now, where they are going, and what happened to Shepard...To watch Shepard leave again, to seemingly die again...and not say anything, that's so damn cold and heartless of her.
I've been over this, it's because Liara's ME2 scenes have been butchered beyond belief, and we're not going to get the proper romance reconciliation or the ability to hold deep, emotional and possible romantic conversation until the Liara DLC, and won't be able to comfort Liara until the DLC. They need to maintain the status quo, I can't stress that enough.
Blame the crap writing and how they've butchered her scene when Liara, who obviously still cares deeply for Shepard and is in love with him/her, doesn't mention the suicide mission at all. It's just plain contrived, stupid and bad writing.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:51
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Another drink!Cartims wrote...
JaylaClark wrote...
Okay, I see a pattern, by the way...
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
Do I win something?
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:53
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JaylaClark wrote...
Cartims wrote...
JaylaClark wrote...
Okay, I see a pattern, by the way...
Cartims is the one with the most broken quotes here.
Cartims FTW! (Sorta.)
Do I win something?
YOU get a No-Prize!
No martini for you,
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:53
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
frij wrote...
Les, its not about being jealous and possessive at all, I think you are needlessly slating fellow Liara fans now with your almost rabid defensive position. We are all in the dark here and just stating our OPINIONS, you may not agree with them though I would suggest taking a step back, no-one else has been attacking on this forum today as you have. You are taking this far too personally
Nope, I'm just getting frustrated and tired with people making ridiculous assertions about my favourite character with no basis in fact at all. Having an opnion is fine, but not when it's based on a cocktail of insecurity, jealousy, paranoia, possessiveness, laziness, ignorance and a lack of trust in Liara as a character. Do you people not actually listen to what she says in ME1? Do you not read the comic, and realise that it's presentation and script should not be taken as gospel due to it's glaring inconsistencies and contradictions. I could handle all of these slanderous assertions if there was some merit to them, but there isn't.
To clarify, no-one is blaming or slamming Liara, and your attacks against some of our standpoints on the matter will not aid the situation. We were all expecting some sort of big reveal at the end of the comic to explain Liara's position in-game, though that never came. Hence the theory debate. The THEORY that Liara MAY care more for Feron in some way is just that, a theory. I don't think my so called "insecurity, jealousy, paranoia, possessiveness, laziness, ignorance" comes into play with my viewpoint on the matter
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:54
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Really, let's be realistic. The reason the relationship doesn't come up is because the design mandated that the ME1 relationships be rocky and that the characters don't join the crew. If you could ask Liara about it, it would be even MORE unbelievable for her to say she's moved on. So they just sidestep the whole thing and ignore it. It's just very sloppy writing.
It's handled very poorly in ME2 for all 3 characters. It feels like they weren't sure how to handled it, so we ended up with what we got. Maybe they ran out of time. Maybe they really didn't know how to handle it.
It disappoints me greatly because BioWare often talks about how awesome their writing is, and they had a great opportunity to do something very interesting here and did absolutely nothing with it.
It's handled very poorly in ME2 for all 3 characters. It feels like they weren't sure how to handled it, so we ended up with what we got. Maybe they ran out of time. Maybe they really didn't know how to handle it.
It disappoints me greatly because BioWare often talks about how awesome their writing is, and they had a great opportunity to do something very interesting here and did absolutely nothing with it.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:58
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We had great expectations and we where let down again...we are all a bit edgy (except me)
let's not fight with each other.
let's not fight with each other.
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frij wrote...
To clarify, no-one is blaming or slamming Liara, and your attacks against some of our standpoints on the matter will not aid the situation. We were all expecting some sort of big reveal at the end of the comic to explain Liara's position in-game, though that never came. Hence the theory debate. The THEORY that Liara MAY care more for Feron in some way is just that, a theory. I don't think my so called "insecurity, jealousy, paranoia, possessiveness, laziness, ignorance" comes into play with my viewpoint on the matter
Give me one solid piece of evidence then that Liara now cares for Feron more than Shepard, apart from what is said at the end of Redemption that has been refuted as plain bad scripting, and not having Liara disclose her full motives for hunting the SB. Give me this piece of evidence for this theory.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 12:59
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Also, I don't think it makes any sense for Liara to love Feron. Honestly, for that to be true she would have had to go from "I really don't like you and don't trust you at all" to "I care deeply for you" in literally one page, which makes no sense AT ALL.
She is very loyal, and I can see Feron's sacrifice meaning something to her, for sure, but anything else is ridiculous. If they were trying to imply that she does, I'm not sure what to say - other than that is, quite frankly, a stupid development.
Though I did not take it to mean that at all. Her staying on Illium is mainly because the design mandated she does, as I mentioned before.
She is very loyal, and I can see Feron's sacrifice meaning something to her, for sure, but anything else is ridiculous. If they were trying to imply that she does, I'm not sure what to say - other than that is, quite frankly, a stupid development.
Though I did not take it to mean that at all. Her staying on Illium is mainly because the design mandated she does, as I mentioned before.
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Cartims wrote...
We had great expectations and we where let down again...we are all a bit edgy (except me)
let's not fight with each other.
I'ma lover not a fighter
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I guess it's a good thing she kills Nyxeris or we'd have people wringing their hands over how Liara must be having constant hot sex with her on the desk while Shepard is away.
I'm surprised these people didn't get nervous playing ME1 when they had to leave Liara alone in the med bay with Dr Chakwas.
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Posté 08 avril 2010 - 01:00
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We're grasping at straws here, because what we got today was total crap. We've all been reaching at anything that could somehow explain what's going on. You can't fairly assess a situation without looking at the whole picture and spectrum of possibilities. This includes both the hyper negative and positive.
