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[vigna]

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages? when Liara is a full blown LI again there will be all kinds of people coming in and going "OMG, Liara is the awesome..I luvs her so much. I always luved Liara. Liara is the best. I'm glad I waited, etc, etc."



People are so impatient and have such short attention spans.

[Nozybidaj]

vigna wrote...

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages?

Mostly because of the hatchet job they did with the character.  Ash/Kaidan fans from before are still Ash/Kaidan fans because even as disappointing as their "reunion" was the character didn't radically change from one game to the next.  A lot of folks were very put off by the changes the writers made to Liara's character.  ME2 has really shrunk her fanbase to the most hardcore of her fans while the Ash/Kaidan groups get to remain relatively stagnant and of course the new LI's will get to continue to build up larger and larger fanbases as more people come in to play ME2.

Seriously, if you were a new player coming into the game would you have any reason to come to the Liara thread?  "You mean that crazy killer chick we met briefly on Illium, why would I want to support her".  

[JPfanner]

vigna wrote...

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages? when Liara is a full blown LI again there will be all kinds of people coming in and going "OMG, Liara is the awesome..I luvs her so much. I always luved Liara. Liara is the best. I'm glad I waited, etc, etc."

People are so impatient and have such short attention spans.

Most of those other threads seem to be padded out from people quoting the same picture like eight times.

[jlb524]

revan11exile wrote...

 does anybody have shepard telling liara he is mad at her(on youtube because i can not choose that last dialoge)

I looked and couldn't find one.  I could upload one later if you would like.

[Noxis6]

I like the parts were you can argue with her makes the whole scene seem more well "alive"

Sadly as with everything in the Liara reunion it doesnt go far enough and lacks options for Shepard,too.

[Nozybidaj]

Littledoom wrote...



Well there is to many that demands intent gratification, a stigma of the modern world I think. There loss Liaras gain, only the true believers remain and get there blue angel in the end.

Well, lets be honest here.  4 years is a long time to ask fans to be patient for further development of a character, especially when the sequel falls right in the middle of that and includes nothing.  I don't think it is fair to blame the fans for being "impatient" as their reactions are clearly what the intent of the development was.

[vigna]

Nozybidaj wrote...

vigna wrote...

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages?

Mostly because of the hatchet job they did with the character.  Ash/Kaidan fans from before are still Ash/Kaidan fans because even as disappointing as their "reunion" was the character didn't radically change from one game to the next.  A lot of folks were very put off by the changes the writers made to Liara's character.  ME2 has really shrunk her fanbase to the most hardcore of her fans while the Ash/Kaidan groups get to remain relatively stagnant and of course the new LI's will get to continue to build up larger and larger fanbases as more people come in to play ME2.

Seriously, if you were a new player coming into the game would you have any reason to come to the Liara thread?  "You mean that crazy killer chick we met briefly on Illium, why would I want to support her".  

I can sort of see that, but I bet most people that played ME2 have played ME1?  ME as a shooter isn't the best. As an RPG it isn't the best. As an RPG/Shooter it is the best. I figure the people must be Bioware fans and hence probably have lots of Bioware stuff,,,,you would think.

[Driveninhifi]

The reason this thread isn't very long is because there isn't much to her appearance in the game.



There's also the whole thing about a radical change to a character without the accompanying character development. Moving that part to the comic really hurts her appearance because it doesn't seem quite believable.

Shy scientist is now angry and strong-arming people? It's a bit much to believe without more details about what happened to her. I totally buy her being driven and obsessed, but a quiet, icy and intense determination fits her character way better than the "coffee cup" line.

In my mind, the only thing that should be able to elicit that reaction from her would be Shepard's death. If she were purely avenging Shepard, I'd have no issue. I'd also buy the anger if she showed it AFTER the "I couldn't let you go" conversation and Shepard told her she was selfish to give the body up. In that case her old life really is over and she has nothing to live for but destroying the Shadow Broker. Shepard's really her only friend - she has noone else, and if Shepard brushes her off she really is totally alone.

Conversely, if Shepard affirms her choice, then that really needs to have a big impact on her. She needs to begin to let go of her guilt, begin to hope again, etc. The game missed an opportunity to show some real depth here and it's worse off because if it.

[Deamon023]

Shame on me, I cutted down gaming time to check this forum, I blame the lovely blue godess for beeing so cute

[JPfanner]

justinnstuff wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

vigna wrote...

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages? when Liara is a full blown LI again there will be all kinds of people coming in and going "OMG, Liara is the awesome..I luvs her so much. I always luved Liara. Liara is the best. I'm glad I waited, etc, etc."

People are so impatient and have such short attention spans.

Most of those other threads seem to be padded out from people quoting the same picture like eight times.

We do that to a lesser extent, but we always seem to have a supply of new pictures, which is awesome. 

Yeah, I wasn't going for the subtle criticism of anyone in this thread at all or anything like that.  I'm artistically inept, so I really enjoy seeing what people who have the talent come up with.  Plus there is a lot of discussion and except for the slobbering trolls that shuffle in every so often to spew out "liara sukcs lolsols!!" everyone seems pretty reasonable and intelligent.  Which is pretty rare on the internet : )

[Nozybidaj]

justinnstuff wrote...

Yeah, I doubt there were too many people that joined up without having played ME1 first. When I started getting interested in ME2, I went out and bought the first one and played it before they released ME2. I bet there's also people that started with ME2 and tried out 1 recently as well. I doubt there's a huge mass of ME2 only guys that don't know anything about the past story. They'll play ME1 at some point, or read about it somewhere else.

I think there is a rather large portion of the current fanbase that potentially never played ME1 and that portion of the user base will continue to grow larger over the next two years while they develop ME3.  Certainly at a much faster rate than the number of folks playing ME1 will grow.  These players will have no proper introduction to these older characters and I think it may have a very negative implication on certain aspects of development for ME3, regardless of any "reassurances" that may be casually handed out.

[WilliamShatner]

vigna wrote...

I can't understand why the Liara thread is only 57 pages? when Liara is a full blown LI again there will be all kinds of people coming in and going "OMG, Liara is the awesome..I luvs her so much. I always luved Liara. Liara is the best. I'm glad I waited, etc, etc."

People are so impatient and have such short attention spans.

Well this is the second version.  The first version got to nearly 100 pages before the ONLY developer interaction with these threads happened, ie locking the thread.

And there's also the "Dev dropped the ball with Liara thread" which is also 60+ pages, so we spread our love.