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justinnstuff wrote...
Back on track, that thread locking couldn't have been a good sign. Was the thread civil or were they locking it because of a flame war?

We had a combined Ashley and Liara love thread on the old forum.  It was Kaidan friendly too.  Basically, it was what the ME1 love interest group is now.  After months and months of begging and pleading for information, Priestly annoucned that none of the original love interests were returning to the squad, locked the love threads, and told us that disussion of romance involving those characters was no longer allowed.  It was unreal.  We tried to regroup in other threads, disguising our discussions as best we could.  But Priestly eventually locked those too.

So we all fled to the private groups.  That's part of the reason I don't post here much.  I'm always wary of the axe falling again.

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Well, t-minus 2 months and a week until E3...

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ratzerman wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
Back on track, that thread locking couldn't have been a good sign. Was the thread civil or were they locking it because of a flame war?

We had a combined Ashley and Liara love thread on the old forum.  It was Kaidan friendly too.  Basically, it was what the ME1 love interest group is now.  After months and months of begging and pleading for information, Priestly annoucned that none of the original love interests were returning to the squad, locked the love threads, and told us that disussion of romance involving those characters was no longer allowed.  It was unreal.  We tried to regroup in other threads, disguising our discussions as best we could.  But Priestly eventually locked those too.

So we all fled to the private groups.  That's part of the reason I don't post here much.  I'm always wary of the axe falling again.


That's pretty pathetic considering what harm could be done by talking about it?

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Exactly, screw. Liara and either one of Ashley or Kaidan being guaranteed to survive until ME3 suggests to me that they'll play major plot roles, which requires a large amount of character development and depth, something which time and time again you only see for characters who're squadmates. Add in the fact that they've said that you'll be able to continue and conclude the romance from ME1 in ME3, and I think it's almost a cert that Liara will be a squadmate in ME3.

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screwoffreg wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
Back on track, that thread locking couldn't have been a good sign. Was the thread civil or were they locking it because of a flame war?

We had a combined Ashley and Liara love thread on the old forum.  It was Kaidan friendly too.  Basically, it was what the ME1 love interest group is now.  After months and months of begging and pleading for information, Priestly annoucned that none of the original love interests were returning to the squad, locked the love threads, and told us that disussion of romance involving those characters was no longer allowed.  It was unreal.  We tried to regroup in other threads, disguising our discussions as best we could.  But Priestly eventually locked those too.

So we all fled to the private groups.  That's part of the reason I don't post here much.  I'm always wary of the axe falling again.


That's pretty pathetic considering what harm could be done by talking about it?

Wait he really said that it was not allowed to talk about Liara, Kaidan/Ashley romance anymore?

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Random thought:

Why does Liara even need this information broker job to 'pay the bills' as she explains to Shepard during their initial ME2 meeting? I would believe Liara inherited a crap load of money from Benezia upon her death (unless asari customs differ in that regard).

Or, is this just another excuse Liara feeds Shepard since she doesn't want to tell her the real reason she's working as an info broker?

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justinnstuff wrote...
Back on track, that thread locking couldn't have been a good sign. Was the thread civil or were they locking it because of a flame war?

We had a combined Ashley and Liara love thread on the old forum.  It was Kaidan friendly too.  Basically, it was what the ME1 love interest group is now.  After months and months of begging and pleading for information, Priestly annoucned that none of the original love interests were returning to the squad, locked the love threads, and told us that disussion of romance involving those characters was no longer allowed.  It was unreal.  We tried to regroup in other threads, disguising our discussions as best we could.  But Priestly eventually locked those too.

So we all fled to the private groups.  That's part of the reason I don't post here much.  I'm always wary of the axe falling again.


What cowards, can't take a little criticism because they royally fcked up the story.   eeek

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jlb524 wrote...

Random thought:

Why does Liara even need this information broker job to 'pay the bills' as she explains to Shepard during their initial ME2 meeting? I would believe Liara inherited a crap load of money from Benezia upon her death (unless asari customs differ in that regard).

Or, is this just another excuse Liara feeds Shepard since she doesn't want to tell her the real reason she's working as an info broker?


Excuse.  She wants the job to help her on her quest...whether that is for Shepard or for Feron's benefit, that is the question.  Obviously Shepard seems to gain little from it...

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Wait he really said that it was not allowed to talk about Liara, Kaidan/Ashley romance anymore?


Like Ive already mentioned, Chris Priestly comprehensively stated that he had already told us they werent important to ME2, and there was no need to discuss it in individual threads any further.

This was at the same time ****** conrad verner speculation threads were running rampant and unlocked.

Again, it was a turning point for me, going from trusting Bioware and adoring their games for 10+ years, to starting to hate them and their arrogance.

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I still don't get this part (as I haven't seen the comic).  What happens?  Can anyone describe this frame?

This is what yorkj86 wrote about it yesterday.

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Yes.   I was wondering why people weren't talking about this.  The comic makes it appear as if the SB  is communicating telepathically with the Collector.  The Collector is monologuing, then it starts to trail off, and Tazzik is wondering what the heck it's talking about, what the heck is going on with the Collector.   Then it starts talking again, at full-strength, and points at Feron and says, "The Shadow Broker says -- Feron is the traitor!" 

It's no "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL", but it's very curious in the way it happens.

I just think the Collector General was relaying information to that particular drone that he'd gotten from the Shadow Broker.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Like Ive already mentioned, Chris Priestly comprehensively stated that he had already told us they werent important to ME2, and there was no need to discuss it in individual threads any further.

This was at the same time ****** conrad verner speculation threads were running rampant and unlocked.

Again, it was a turning point for me, going from trusting Bioware and adoring their games for 10+ years, to starting to hate them and their arrogance.

Why are we allowed to discuss them here though then?:?

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jlb524 wrote...

Random thought:

Why does Liara even need this information broker job to 'pay the bills' as she explains to Shepard during their initial ME2 meeting? I would believe Liara inherited a crap load of money from Benezia upon her death (unless asari customs differ in that regard).

Or, is this just another excuse Liara feeds Shepard since she doesn't want to tell her the real reason she's working as an info broker?


Saren spent all the money on his new scooter.

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screwoffreg wrote...

That's pretty pathetic considering what harm could be done by talking about it?


Well, Priestly is openly anti-romance.  And along with the Tali and Thane threads, ours was the dominant area of discussion on the old board.  There wasn't a day that it wasn't at or near the top of the first page.  I honestly think Priestly got sick of looking at it, and took the "not recruitable" announcement as an excuse to get rid of us.  But since Tali and Thane were both squadmates, he couldn't do anything about those threads.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Exactly, screw. Liara and either one of Ashley or Kaidan being guaranteed to survive until ME3 suggests to me that they'll play major plot roles, which requires a large amount of character development and depth, something which time and time again you only see for characters who're squadmates. Add in the fact that they've said that you'll be able to continue and conclude the romance from ME1 in ME3, and I think it's almost a cert that Liara will be a squadmate in ME3.


I had trouble properly reading the first three words of this post...

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ratz, you may see that as evidence that none of the ME1 LIs are going to be squadmates ever again, but look at it from a different angle.



BW have got their new game about to be released. They're going to want to advertise and show off their new characters as much as possible. If some newb logs onto the forum and sees one of the major threads is discussing characters that only get small roles in ME2, and are predominatly ME1 characters, then said newb is going to be interested in ME1 more than the new game they want everyone to be interested in.



Basically, it was for marketing purposes. They wanted to pimp the new characters, generating as much attention and interest in them as possible. A large thread at the head of the forum devoted to characters from ME1 doesn't fit in with that mandate, so they wanted to close it. It sucks, I know, but that's the reason why I think they did it.



Watch, in the build up to ME3, we'll have Liara, Ash and Kaidan threads allowed in the forums, and threads devoted to old ME2 characters that will be cameoed will be closed. It's just how it is. It's for marketing purposes.

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ratzerman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

That's pretty pathetic considering what harm could be done by talking about it?


Well, Priestly is openly anti-romance.  And along with the Tali and Thane threads, ours was the dominant area of discussion on the old board.  There wasn't a day that it wasn't at or near the top of the first page.  I honestly think Priestly got sick of looking at it, and took the "not recruitable" announcement as an excuse to get rid of us.  But since Tali and Thane were both squadmates, he couldn't do anything about those threads.


haha, anti-romance.  Every Bioware game has had a romance component with various levels of important to the plot.  You might as well hate all of their games then...

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Why are we allowed to discuss them here though then?:?


They kinda gave up trying to stop these "love threads" eventually.

Besides this social site isnt moderated anywhere near as much as the old site was.

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I just think the Collector General was relaying information to that particular drone that he'd gotten from the Shadow Broker.


OK, so we still don't know who, what the SB is from all of this.

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jlb524 wrote...

I had trouble properly reading the first three words of this post...


Whoops. That's what punctuation is for!

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jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Exactly, screw. Liara and either one of Ashley or Kaidan being guaranteed to survive until ME3 suggests to me that they'll play major plot roles, which requires a large amount of character development and depth, something which time and time again you only see for characters who're squadmates. Add in the fact that they've said that you'll be able to continue and conclude the romance from ME1 in ME3, and I think it's almost a cert that Liara will be a squadmate in ME3.


I had trouble properly reading the first three words of this post...

LOL!  Goond one, J.
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jlb524 wrote...

Random thought:

Why does Liara even need this information broker job to 'pay the bills' as she explains to Shepard during their initial ME2 meeting? I would believe Liara inherited a crap load of money from Benezia upon her death (unless asari customs differ in that regard).

Or, is this just another excuse Liara feeds Shepard since she doesn't want to tell her the real reason she's working as an info broker?


It's an excuse. She doesn't want to tell Shepard the real reason that she's working as an information broker at this point, as it's another example of her fear that Shepard will hate her, and she's trying to keep her distance over the whole thing.

By helping her out and talking to her throughout her ME2 scenes, you slowly bring her barriers down and break through her shell, until she finally opens up and explains what happened, and why she's been so distant because she feared Shepard will hate her. That's really what Liara's scenes in ME2 are all about, breaking through her walls and shell, until you finally get the big emotional revelation when Liara opens her heart.

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justinnstuff wrote...
Back on track, that thread locking couldn't have been a good sign. Was the thread civil or were they locking it because of a flame war?

We had a combined Ashley and Liara love thread on the old forum.  It was Kaidan friendly too.  Basically, it was what the ME1 love interest group is now.  After months and months of begging and pleading for information, Priestly annoucned that none of the original love interests were returning to the squad, locked the love threads, and told us that disussion of romance involving those characters was no longer allowed.  It was unreal.  We tried to regroup in other threads, disguising our discussions as best we could.  But Priestly eventually locked those too.

So we all fled to the private groups.  That's part of the reason I don't post here much.  I'm always wary of the axe falling again.


Sheesh. I'm with screw on this one. What's the harm in talking about it? In a single thread? Part of me wants to think he gave you an answer, but didn't want to hear all the outcry afterwards. Then again that doesn't fly because you guys could easily just make new threads. That's a sad tale :(

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We were second-class forum citizens.

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I think they also made her an information broker because being a shy archaeologist wasn't "dark and edgy" enough. So they amped it up Conrad Verner style, living on the edge and so forth.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It's an excuse. She doesn't want to tell Shepard the real reason that she's working as an information broker at this point, as it's another example of her fear that Shepard will hate her, and she's trying to keep her distance over the whole thing.

By helping her out and talking to her throughout her ME2 scenes, you slowly bring her barriers down and break through her shell, until she finally opens up and explains what happened, and why she's been so distant because she feared Shepard will hate her. That's really what Liara's scenes in ME2 are all about, breaking through her walls and shell, until you finally get the big emotional revelation when Liara opens her heart.


I know you would say that.