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Crimmsonwind wrote...

I liked how they handled the player-specific situation in the comics, honestly. They never give away Shepard's gender, they only refer to Shepard as friend or, well, Shepard. Liara obviously is interested enough in Shepard to some degree or she wouldn't be trying to rescue the body. But she isn't fawning all over Shepard to make people who hadn't romanced her uncomfortable.

Honestly, I think they chose Liara specifically because she's... well, accessible to both male and female players int he first game. It can be read as a romantic situation, like we choose to believe, and I'm sure they took that into consideration. But above all that, I think they used Liara in the comics because she was the most convenient.

Too bad they kinda screwed everything up.

I agree, they had to make it so, I think though that Liara was their primary target for this excuse for a comic, she melded with Shepard and such, Ash just prayed and whined, Kaidan just had a headache

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[Sakhalin]

Liara in Colossus armor = win

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know Dink, it's still romance neutral, but I'm just saying that, like the rest of the comic, it's left ambiguous so as it's easy to interpret the Liara romance into it.

Regardless of romancing Liara though, because of what the SB did to Shepard is still a big reason as to why she's hunting the SB, she says as much in ME2. It's just that it's whats being said at the end there, when people thought otherwise. Liara saying "We all have" indicates that she sees Shepard as a significant part of trying to take down the Shadow Broker, that the SB is Shepard's enemy too, and it's her duty to do it for Shepard, because of what the SB has done to Shepard. That's the point I'm making.

I wouldnt go that far as to say the SB is Shepards enemy now,the thing with the body was just buisiness nothing personal and as far as ME2 the SB doesnt seem to care about Shepard at all he seems to have given up on selling him/her to the collectors.
As for the "we" I think she might refers to Cerberus but they were at odds with the SB before,as for Shepard well s/hes dead at that point and its still a bit in the air if Project Lazarus will work.

[surf_N7]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know Dink, it's still romance neutral, but I'm just saying that, like the rest of the comic, it's left ambiguous so as it's easy to interpret the Liara romance into it.

Regardless of romancing Liara though, because of what the SB did to Shepard is still a big reason as to why she's hunting the SB, she says as much in ME2. It's just that it's whats being said at the end there, when people thought otherwise. Liara saying "We all have" indicates that she sees Shepard as a significant part of trying to take down the Shadow Broker, that the SB is Shepard's enemy too, and it's her duty to do it for Shepard, because of what the SB has done to Shepard. That's the point I'm making.

I dont know, I think if they actually wanted to factor Shepard more into it, they should have stuck to that "I gave you to cerberus because they said they could rebuild you".

Not "Meh, whats your big deal with resurrection, maybe its better to let the dead rest. Excuse me while I most likely contradict myself and start a two year quest to track down a potentially dead ally".

can i ask for some clarification since i only had liara as my LI from me1. if shepard did not care for liara in me1, did she still go through all the trouble to get shepard's body because she was too afraid to let shepard go?

[Noxis6]

Unata wrote...
I agree, they had to make it so, I think though that Liara was their primary target for this excuse for a comic, she melded with Shepard and such, Ash just prayed and whined, Kaidan just had a headache

Well if we are brutally honest I think the comic was made for an excuse to sideline Liara,aside from making more quick cash,if you look at it they needed an excuse for not going with Shepard and since the whole Prothean thing with the Cipher and all that seemingly was thrown out of the window,they came up with this.
The fact that she cannot be killed might also factor in it,but beyond that they could have given the role of taking Shepards body back to Miranda in Jacob which in Jacobs case might have been helpful in making him less bland,it would have worked out this way too

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Noxis6 wrote...

Unata wrote...
I agree, they had to make it so, I think though that Liara was their primary target for this excuse for a comic, she melded with Shepard and such, Ash just prayed and whined, Kaidan just had a headache

Well if we are brutally honest I think the comic was made for an excuse to sideline Liara,aside from making more quick cash,if you look at it they needed an excuse for not going with Shepard and since the whole Prothean thing with the Cipher and all that seemingly was thrown out of the window,they came up with this.
The fact that she cannot be killed might also factor in it,but beyond that they could have given the role of taking Shepards body back to Miranda in Jacob which in Jacobs case might have been helpful in making him less bland,it would have worked out this way too

Something else to think about, and we all know it's about money, the comic does raise some questions for any non-me1 players to possibly get them to buy it, frankly story wise me1 is the better, shooter maybe me2 is dunno

[screwoffreg]

I don't really think the SB is a real enemy at all. He is amoral and loves money, like many of our banking institutions.



I ultimately think he can be helpful if he decides to be. He may realize those who hired him are dead, after all, and he may join them. That will probably be a renegade option when dealing with him, though I doubt Liara will be pleased.



Although I don't know how useful he'd really be. I already gave the Base to Cerberus (haha) and I am sure they will provide much more that he could...maybe he is just better of dead

[screwoffreg]

Yikes, if Liara is incredibly guilty about Cerberus I wonder what she'll think of my Paragon Shepards of all people turning to The Illusive Man as a trusted confidante....

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screwoffreg wrote...

Yikes, if Liara is incredibly guilty about Cerberus I wonder what she'll think of my Paragon Shepards of all people turning to The Illusive Man as a trusted confidante....

eh?  don't tell me you gave him the base?

[screwoffreg]

Unata wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Yikes, if Liara is incredibly guilty about Cerberus I wonder what she'll think of my Paragon Shepards of all people turning to The Illusive Man as a trusted confidante....

eh?  don't tell me you gave him the base?

I trust him more than I trust the Council and the Alliance.  Hell, the Alliance probably IS working with the Reapers based on the Kasumi mission...

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, it is a shame that the whole Prothean/Cipher thing got tossed aside. For one thing, it's something that brought Shepard and Liara together, regardless of LI status as she dove into Shepard's mind during the meld to discover Ilos. Sad, as it was evidence of the connection between Shepard and Liara.

I'd really love for them to continue their search for artifacts Prothean or not, digging into ancient history is wide open in this game really and no two do it better then Liara and Shepard

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In no way is the Shadow Broker neutral and amoral anymore. He's deliberately picked his side, he was willing to sell off Shepard's corpse to the Collectors, whom he must know are agents of the Reapers due to the job he's working in. He's not neutral at all anymore, and he certainly isn't when he goes from merely dealing in information to selling Shepard's corpse to the Reapers by proxy, when it's not known what awful plans that would've had for the body, and how they could have used it to their advantage.

Was it ever inferred the SB actually knew the Reapers were involved at all?  Everyone knows about the Collectors and that they love strange artifacts, but no one really knows what they do with them.  I remember an earlier comic summary mentioned that the SB challenged Liara as to why she was so worried as what could the Collectors really do with Shepard's body...

[screwoffreg]

I think ME 3 will involve a lot of ancient history. If you read the planet descriptions so many of them have mysterious hints like "looks like it was bombed from space" or "massive weapons damaged to long lost species"

[mrbeavis19]

 Hahahahaha I got banned from the IGN boards. I think they frown on raging over ME2 there...or maybe it was the volume of cursing I did...oh well, I'll just vent here instead. 

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...

I don't really think the SB is a real enemy at all. He is amoral and loves money, like many of our banking institutions.

I ultimately think he can be helpful if he decides to be. He may realize those who hired him are dead, after all, and he may join them. That will probably be a renegade option when dealing with him, though I doubt Liara will be pleased.

Although I don't know how useful he'd really be. I already gave the Base to Cerberus (haha) and I am sure they will provide much more that he could...maybe he is just better of dead

Since I dont think the SB is a reaper,he may be an AI but I doubt that,I still suspect he is organic,he might choose to over something to Shepard.
Even in case of a potential confrontation,he doesnt strike me as the person that comes out to fight I think he would try to buy his way out of it.
As for Liaras reaction might be interesting to see would make some good dialogue,well if Bioware lets their Janitor write it instead of Mac Walters,but then again if its a DLC I doubt there would be a descision that big in an addon maybe

As for the base well,in terms of ME3 I doubt it will yield anything

[Unata]

Reapers = bad guys
Shadow Broker = bad guy
Collectors = dead bad guys
TIM = bad guy
Citadel = turning to the dark side

Shepard, "Ain't a whole lot left here Liara honey"
Liara, "I know luv, maybe your right, there doesn't seem to be much point here"
Shepard, "So...we go find some other galaxy to live in?"
Liara, "Allright, let's, it will be an adventure!"

[screwoffreg]

Noxis6 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I don't really think the SB is a real enemy at all. He is amoral and loves money, like many of our banking institutions.

I ultimately think he can be helpful if he decides to be. He may realize those who hired him are dead, after all, and he may join them. That will probably be a renegade option when dealing with him, though I doubt Liara will be pleased.

Although I don't know how useful he'd really be. I already gave the Base to Cerberus (haha) and I am sure they will provide much more that he could...maybe he is just better of dead

Since I dont think the SB is a reaper,he may be an AI but I doubt that,I still suspect he is organic,he might choose to over something to Shepard.
Even in case of a potential confrontation,he doesnt strike me as the person that comes out to fight I think he would try to buy his way out of it.
As for Liaras reaction might be interesting to see would make some good dialogue,well if Bioware lets their Janitor write it instead of Mac Walters,but then again if its a DLC I doubt there would be a descision that big in an addon maybe

As for the base well,in terms of ME3 I doubt it will yield anything

The Base BETTER yield something as it was posed as the most significant decision in the game!  I better get some unholy reaper powers for Shepard or something...

[mrbeavis19]

Somebody1003 wrote...

mrbeavis19 wrote...

 Hahahahaha I got banned from the IGN boards. I think they frown on raging over ME2 there...or maybe it was the volume of cursing I did...oh well, I'll just vent here instead. 

What ya do?

Idk. I had to send an unban request to find out why I was banned in the first place. I think it's because I was pissed about the delay in the Kasumi DLC the other day or something and I swore a lot and was surprised to see it wasn't starred out so I figured it must be fine...guess not lol, but whatever.