LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
scmadsen, we've been over alot of this. What you say operates on the assumption that Liara is hunting Feron for anything more than appreciating his sacrifice for her and Shepard. This isn't true, IMO, because Redemption clearly shows that she doesn't even like or trust the guy on a personal level. It's all because of his sacrifice, and not Feron himself.
Plus, Liara didn't give Shepard to Cerberus for closure, far from it. You need to read what she says in it's context. Miranda tells her that Shepard maybe too damaged for it to work properly, and Liara then says what she says because she's worried that the Lazarus Project will flub up completely, and Shepard will come back as some undead zombie husk. The fact that she then still leaves the body with Cerberus and lets them proceed speaks volumes, as she still wants them to rebuild Shepard no matter what. Plus, she even says in-game that the reason she gave the body to Cerberus is so that they can rebuild Shepard, and not for closure. This shows that she was desperate for Cerberus to revive and rebuild Shepard. You're misunderstanding what she says in the comic about letting the dead rest. Look at how she stumbles on her words. It's not a desire to let Shepard go and for closure. It's because she's worried that the Lazarus Project will flub up and her lover will be reduced to a mindless zombie wreck, something that she wouldn't want. And yet she STILL gives the body to Cerberus to revive, for her own selfish reasons that she couldn't let Shepard go and wants to bring him/her back. That speaks volumes, and really does play into her guilt.
Like I said, the game makes in obviously clear that Liara's motives for hunting the SB are more than simply learning of Feron's fate, that her pain and grief for what she did to Shepard, and her guilt for handing the body over is at the centre of it. All of this is based around love for Shepard, and shows us that she's clearly been obsessing over Shepard still for two years, and none of her love for Shepard has diminished one iota, nor has she let Shep go at all. The reason that Liara doesn't go with you on the mission is because we're artificially prevented from comforting and consoling Liara, and helping to ease her guilt. If we were able to do that, she's coming with Shepard. We're not though, because they have to maintain the status quo for the Liara DLC, where all of this will be tackled fully, and we'll finally be able to comfort her and rekindle the romance. Liara not mentioning anything about the suicide mission is just plain bad writing, as she obviously still cares for Shepard deeply, and hasn't let him/her go at all. Why they didn't have Liara mention it and tell Shep to be careful I don't know, but it's obvious Liara still cares for Shepard.
Plus, do not trust the last line of the comics. It doesn't have Liara state her full motives, and that leads to it being misconstrued, and being directly contradictory to ME2 with regards to the reasons why she's hunting the SB she says it herself: "For what he did to my friend, and to you, and for whatever he's doing with the Collectors". There are other motives at play here, and judging by how she almosts bursts into tears when she opens up to Shep, the chief reason for hunting the SB is based around her love for Shepard, and what she was forced to do with the body and how she feels guilty for it. If we were able to comfort Liara properly, then she'd be on the Normandy. But we can't, and are artificially prevented from doing so.
Regarding the kiss, we've been over that a hundred times. Her guilt, fear Shepard hates her, her emotional pain, not being comfortable with herself to show physical intimacy, when we know from ME1 that Liara has to be completely at ease with herself and her lover to show any kind of physical affection.
scmadsen, I think you're getting waaay too paranoid, and reading things that aren't there. For example, where is there ever an implicit rejection on part of Liara of Feron's supposed advances? Because it isn't there, that's why. You're getting way too paranoid.
Plus, do you think it's in Liara's personality to lie to Shepard and string him/her along like that? Liara never lies, we know that from ME1. She'd never string Shepard along.
Please, just calm down and think about what you're writing.
I know you want to see that, and I want to see it too. But you can't ignore that all the emotion we see, could be for Feron and not Shepard. Liara has been thru alot, and who knows what that did to her?
You can't reject something, just because you don't like it. That's not enough reason. You say she acts one way for a reason, I argue that it might be for another reason, who is right? That's subjective.
As I have said before, the game does not know that it is a game. Thus, the game doesn't let us, is not a reason. I'm sorry, but it's true, and it sucks. Did the writers fail here, yes, but we have to deal with whatever crap reason they gave us, we can't dismiss it because we don't like it.
The comics are lore as well, like it or not, we have to look at them. We can't ignore something because we don't like it. We can twist them as much as we like, and see them in our own subjective light, but we can't fully dismiss them.
I love Liara as much as you do, and anyone else here. I want this to work out for the best, but I'm not going to be blinded to what crap they toss our way, just because I don't like it. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But it's better to be hurt now and see it coming, then to be hurt later after ignoring it.
I want a happy ending, I want Feron to be nothing more then a friend, and I want Shepard to help Liara, and Liara to help Shepard. I want what you do. Don't misunderstand me.
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