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#15202
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 05:59
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good morning everyone. How are you all?
#15203
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 06:02
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Sinus infection is how I am.
But Liara's cool
But Liara's cool
#15204
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 06:11
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I actually feel a bit better about Liara with that small line that I had never run across. She seems genuinely want to come back but that slag Feron is an impediment to my "game". Sigh, another night of watching SpaceTube for my Shepard then...
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 06:21
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#15206
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:07
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Sign me up!scmadsen wrote...
I posted this lastnight, but it needs to be posted again. I say we march on BioWare if they don't fix Liara/Shepard in a DLC sometime soon.
lolThey really need some smileys with guns!
#15207
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:27
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Sign me up too, I'll be ready with my torch and pitchfork!
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:29
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#15209
Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:35
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GamerFSS86 wrote...
yes sign me up to and I'll bring the WarBringer with me HeHe
Oh, that's just what we need, a Panzerkampfwagen Mk. IV Ausf. H with spikes tacked on... :PB)
Oh, and Liara is fine. I've got my torch and pitchfork (actually, a lightsaber and Airsoft Thompson) ready.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:39
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@Goodwood.............I WILL BRING THE MOTHA-F*CKIN WARBRINGER DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT!!!!
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:39
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Good morning everyone.
What is saddening me is that because of the comic's ending, and how it does contradict Liara's displayed motives, emotions and love for Shepard and how much she's hunting the Shadow Broker based on said emotions that people are completely misconstruing the ending, and coming up with all of these worst case scenarios and theories that completely go against Liara's character, her love and emotions for Shep displayed in-game, and disregards her displayed motives in ME2. That's what's upsetting me, that people are taking a comic with extremely poor presentation as gospel, and seemingly ignoring what is displayed in ME2.
To be honest with you, I don't see how anything has changed or that has or hasn't become apparent from before Redemption's release and completion. The status quo has remained exactly the same, but because of how Liara ends in Redemption, which doesn't explore her emotions, guilt, suffering and fear surround her love for Shep and what he/she thinks for her, people are assuming otherwise or flat out disregarding what is presented in ME2. That hurts, and it hurts me quite deeply to see people think this of Liara, all because of poor mis-scripting and poor presentation in the comic book.
I know I probably shouldn't allow myself to get this upset over it, but I just do. I can't help it. Liara is without a doubt my favourite character by far, and I hate to see people make accusations against her or smear her with assertions that I feel are false, and go against everything that's presented about her in both games.
What is saddening me is that because of the comic's ending, and how it does contradict Liara's displayed motives, emotions and love for Shepard and how much she's hunting the Shadow Broker based on said emotions that people are completely misconstruing the ending, and coming up with all of these worst case scenarios and theories that completely go against Liara's character, her love and emotions for Shep displayed in-game, and disregards her displayed motives in ME2. That's what's upsetting me, that people are taking a comic with extremely poor presentation as gospel, and seemingly ignoring what is displayed in ME2.
To be honest with you, I don't see how anything has changed or that has or hasn't become apparent from before Redemption's release and completion. The status quo has remained exactly the same, but because of how Liara ends in Redemption, which doesn't explore her emotions, guilt, suffering and fear surround her love for Shep and what he/she thinks for her, people are assuming otherwise or flat out disregarding what is presented in ME2. That hurts, and it hurts me quite deeply to see people think this of Liara, all because of poor mis-scripting and poor presentation in the comic book.
I know I probably shouldn't allow myself to get this upset over it, but I just do. I can't help it. Liara is without a doubt my favourite character by far, and I hate to see people make accusations against her or smear her with assertions that I feel are false, and go against everything that's presented about her in both games.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:41
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WaZzZ UpPp------------->Les!!!! I just bought redemption #4 on eBay!! Yah!!
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:42
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I've yet to read the last issue, so here's hoping it doesn't affect me as it did you.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:47
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Better burn it before you read it then. It's not pretty.Goodwood wrote...
I've yet to read the last issue, so here's hoping it doesn't affect me as it did you.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:52
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you have to look at what Stubbs wrote HERE to understand BW went on the emotional path and didn't just let Liara come back with you in ME2 [I love Liara a lot and I even admit that would have made no sense at all] so there WILL be a Liara DLC, lets just hope I won't have to use the WarBringer on BW if they mess the Liara DLC up....thats my only concern.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:12
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I don't know if someone mentioned this before, but I think it's also possible that Liara went after Feron/the SB to focus on something. She may appreciate the sacrafice, but other than that, she may also want to focus on something so she doesn't get her hopes up.
I mean imagine being in her shoes(as LI)...the person you love above all else died and now someone tells you, maybe we can bring him/her back to life. It has such a small chance of success, but you, well at least I, would get my hopes up, but if it doesn't succeed it'd probably destroy me (if I'd recover from the death itself). So I think I'd try to focus on something else...
What do you think, does this make sense? Also would this make sense if she's "merely" your friend and not your LI?
I mean imagine being in her shoes(as LI)...the person you love above all else died and now someone tells you, maybe we can bring him/her back to life. It has such a small chance of success, but you, well at least I, would get my hopes up, but if it doesn't succeed it'd probably destroy me (if I'd recover from the death itself). So I think I'd try to focus on something else...
What do you think, does this make sense? Also would this make sense if she's "merely" your friend and not your LI?
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:19
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@Systemlord Baal......your right, Liara would do that to get her mind off of the terrible negative thoughts about giving Shepard over to T.I.M. and would consecrate on the ass wipe SB. that would make a lot of sense
I know that I have to do the same thing some times to stop thinking terrible negative thoughts.
oh waz up dude!!!!
I know that I have to do the same thing some times to stop thinking terrible negative thoughts.
oh waz up dude!!!!
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:28
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Oh I agree with Stubbs entirely Gamer, and what he says in that post. I really do honest to God believe that the DLC will be sunstantial, deep, emotional with additional content if Liara is your LI. As I've theorised before, it's why I think that romantic content with Liara is virtually absent, and that we're prevented from properly comforting her. It's because I feel they want to maintain the status quo of Liara being emotionally tormented, ravaged by her guilt for what she did with Shepard's body, and the pair of them being unsure of what the other thinks of them. I believe that it will be fully tackled in Liara's DLC in which she's finally given her full ME2 role as intended, that we'll finally get the chance to comfort Liara, that Liara will open her heart to Shepard about her suffering, and that we'll get a chance to rekindle the romance and get the proper LI reconciliation. It's just an incredibly contrived way in which they've gone about it, in which it's patently clear that Liara cares and loves deeply in ME2 from how she almost bursts into tears when she reveals how much she's been hating herself for handing the corpse over to Cerberus, and how she's been terrified Shepard will hate her, with that fear eating away at her. That she then explains one of her chief motives for hunting down the SB is for what he did to Shepard. The fact that we cannot then comfort and reconcile with a Liara who so obviously cares deeply and loves Shepard is just incredibly frustrating, and just poor writing and direction in general. But I believe it's for the purpose of the DLC.
It's just an incredibly contrived way in which they've gone about it, and feels completely artificial and unnatural. That Liara beats herself up over handing Shep's corpse to Cerberus, and worries that Shep will hate her is completely believeable and natural. That Shepard, especially if Liara is your LI, doesn't then try to comfort her and ease Liara's pain and tell her she's loved is not. Which I believe is what will be contained in Liara's DLC.
It's just an incredibly contrived way in which they've gone about it, and feels completely artificial and unnatural. That Liara beats herself up over handing Shep's corpse to Cerberus, and worries that Shep will hate her is completely believeable and natural. That Shepard, especially if Liara is your LI, doesn't then try to comfort her and ease Liara's pain and tell her she's loved is not. Which I believe is what will be contained in Liara's DLC.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:33
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Well BW is gonna have to make 4 plots for the Liara DLC
Fem/Shep LI
Male/Shep LI
Fem/Shep not LI
Male/Shep not LI
so it's gonna be a pretty damn big DLC if ask me, just to put it out there for you all
Fem/Shep LI
Male/Shep LI
Fem/Shep not LI
Male/Shep not LI
so it's gonna be a pretty damn big DLC if ask me, just to put it out there for you all
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:38
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Baal, what you've got to remember is that the fact that Liara has allowed herself to be tormented by her guilt for handing the body over, and her fear that Shepard will hate her for two years tells me that she's always been virtually sure that Shepard is coming back, and has constantly been at the forefront of her thoughts and the emotional pain she's endured. If she'd put Shepard out of her mind to focus on other things, then she wouldn't have been hating herself, consuming herself with her grief and guilt for everything that's happened to Shepard. That shows to me that Shep has always been at the forefront of Liara's mind, and that she's been constantly thinking about him/her and what she herself has done. Especially as Liara then states that one of her main motives for hunting the SB is for what he did to Shep.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:39
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They could just have some lines different throughout the DLC and then after the DLC-mission is complete an "thank you - no thank you blah" if she isn't your LI.
If she IS your LI however, there could be a long scene after the mission. There are so many that need to be said and this would be the opportunity - and an, imo, easy way to differentiate between LI and non-LI. And then it's just like the whole game and the differences between the genders. I think it could work.
If she IS your LI however, there could be a long scene after the mission. There are so many that need to be said and this would be the opportunity - and an, imo, easy way to differentiate between LI and non-LI. And then it's just like the whole game and the differences between the genders. I think it could work.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:40
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Systemlord Baal wrote...
I don't know if someone mentioned this before, but I think it's also possible that Liara went after Feron/the SB to focus on something. She may appreciate the sacrafice, but other than that, she may also want to focus on something so she doesn't get her hopes up.
Yes, this.
Once she gives the body to Cerberus, she can't do anything else to help. In part distraction; but I also believe she feels like she owes Feron for allowing him to essentially sacrifice himself.
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:41
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it is virtually absent Les, thats what PO me when I first got on here and you set me straight 
Thank you for doin that
other than that we need something to occupy us besides that stupid HammerHead DLC. especially the ones that there xbox 360 RRoD [looks at GamerFSS]
Thank you for doin that
other than that we need something to occupy us besides that stupid HammerHead DLC. especially the ones that there xbox 360 RRoD [looks at GamerFSS]
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:50
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and their better be a "meld" or "love scene" at the end of the DLC for me to show Liara I love her and want her in my life for the rest of my life.
and if I can't have Liara then I don't want any thing
and if I can't have Liara then I don't want any thing
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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:00
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Eddie-Hawke wrote...
Yes, this.
Once she gives the body to Cerberus, she can't do anything else to help. In part distraction; but I also believe she feels like she owes Feron for allowing him to essentially sacrifice himself.
Yeah, that's true, that she appreciates Feron's sacrifice for her and Shep. But, like Liara says in ME2, the hunt is also for what the SB did to Shepard, and for whatever he's doing with the Collectors. There's more to her motives than that, and chief amongst them is her love for Shep and what she had to do with Shepard's corpse, and the guilt and self-hating that entails, due to the SB's actions.
Baal, yeah I do think that during Liara's DLC we'll get dialogue alterations if she's your LI to better illustrate that fact. Then, at the end of Liara's DLC mission and on the way back in the Normandy, we'll have a scene exclusive for those who romanced Liara in Shep's cabin. Liara will enter, talk to Shep, open her heart about her suffering, about how guilty she's been for everything that's happened to Shepard, because she couldn't let go, and she's done all of this for her love for Shep. We can then apologise for not being there for her, and tell her she's not hated at all. We've then got a deep, moving and emotional romance reconciliation and rekindling scene. Exactly what I think will happen.
