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[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

I hope they'll leave Liara alone, and just concentrate on giving her a proper role in ME 3. From a commercial point of view, it would make sense to make Tali the star of the next series, as it seems her fans are the largest group available for milking. Whereas it's uncertain how many Liara fans would be willing to throw money at BioWare/EA anymore.

Tali?  Who's possibly dead?  Nah.

If Liara's also the star of the next series, at least it will be a way for them to resolve her SB issues so she can join Shepard again in ME3.  It is also possible that Liara will find something out about the SB/Reapers during this series and can give this information to Shepard, giving the Commander an edge against the Reapers in the final showdown.

If you think about it, Shepard still doesn't know much about the Reapers or how to stop them.  ME2 didn't address this at all (it probably should have  ).  Instead, they might be putting this all on Liara's shoulder's, hence, her role in the comic and inevitable role in ME3.

They could do all this in DLC maybe, but the comic would be easier.

[ratzerman]

justinnstuff wrote...

You are onto a great idea. What if we took any of the comics and edited out the balloons to be empty. Use it as a template to make our own creations and post them in this thread. You know like the Mass Effect CSI thread.

Hmmmm..... write our own version of Redemption?  I like that idea!

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

If you think about it, Shepard still doesn't know much about the Reapers or how to stop them.  ME2 didn't address this at all (it probably should have  ).

It most certainly should have. Shepard said at the end of ME 1 that this would be the next step. But nothing, we're even back at a stage where the council doesn't believe you. It's all so ridiculous, and sad at the same time.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
By the Goddess! How dare they write me doing this, and saying these things!

[Marcin K]

a little thought came over me:
can scenery of this image

be Ilium by any means?
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and with that question i leave you, as i go OFFLINE for night, cya all tomorrow mornin, and have a great night all:)

Modifié par Marcin R, 09 avril 2010 - 08:02 .

[JPfanner]

justinnstuff wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

I hope they'll leave Liara alone, and just concentrate on giving her a proper role in ME 3. From a commercial point of view, it would make sense to make Tali the star of the next series, as it seems her fans are the largest group available for milking. Whereas it's uncertain how many Liara fans would be willing to throw money at BioWare/EA anymore.

The comics have to be canon, and Tali can die. Ash and Kaidan are mutually exclusive, so they're out. It's gotta be Liara again or some character not directly tied into Shepard.

Yeah, this is why my inclination is to suspect that Feron is not dead and that he will be the focus of the next series.  It gives them a semi-established character (from the comics anyway) with ties to the game world, but who isn't personally subject to what may or may not happen in the game.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't think that'll be the case, J. For one, Shepard is alive and well again, unlike in Redemption, so there's no reason why the two of them wouldn't team up to fight the SB together, after the Collectors have been defeated. Secondly, Liara even says herself that she'll let Shepard know if she finds anything out, or if she needs any help again. That says to me that they'll work together, and that Liara will call on Shepard's help, something that will be shown in the DLC.

Possible, but I'm sure they can whip up a reason to explain why Shepard/Liara must be separated again that is not death.

If there is an ME2/ME3 tie-in expansion pack, Shepard might be tied up in the events that unfold during this time and thus will be unable to follow Liara.  The comic could take place during these events.

[jlb524]

Feron may well be dead (I would be surprised if he wasn't). He's really a plot device to drive Liara to dig deeper into the SB's dealings and hopefully find something good.

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They're going to have to think of a damn good reason for Feron being alive. From what it showed Tazzik doing to him in #4, it looks like he was trying to murder him there and then. Plus, the SB is going to want to exterminate him for ruining his once in a lifetime deal. I mean, he hired Wrex to kill Fist for a simple betrayal. What Feron did to the SB makes Fist's betrayal look like peanuts in comparison.

Yep, logic dictates that the Shadow Broker would have tortured the hell out of him, then either gruesomely killed him or turned him over to the Collecters.  The Shadow Broker was really keen on getting that deal completed, and Harbinger can't be too pleased with being denied.  And not really because of whatever value Shepard had for them, but because the Reapers all seem to be egotistical in the extreme.
But people in the Mass Effect universe get away with crazy stuff all the time and writer fiat trumps logic.  You could rescue Feron in game, then he could like work for Shepard.  Get assignments via gender neutral radio and then head off doing stuff related to the plot of the game that wouldn't involve any dependence on game events.
I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility, I just woke up and it takes awhile for all my brain cells to stop drooling on themselves so I'm not even sure how much sense that whole scenario makes yet.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They're going to have to think of a damn good reason for Feron being alive. From what it showed Tazzik doing to him in #4, it looks like he was trying to murder him there and then. Plus, the SB is going to want to exterminate him for ruining his once in a lifetime deal. I mean, he hired Wrex to kill Fist for a simple betrayal. What Feron did to the SB makes Fist's betrayal look like peanuts in comparison.

Maybe the Shadow Broker kept him as collateral for a later deal.  It seems to me he DOESN'T want to outright kill Liara, as even Nyxeris is observing, not playing an assassin.  If he wanted Liara dead, he would have sent every heavy hitter he had when she was weak and just starting, not even giving her a chance to get her feet wet with Information Brokering. 

If I was a deceptive bastard like the Shadow Broker, I want would to keep tabs on both the Collectors AND Shepard, knowing she might come back.  Then, whichever side seems likely to win, you try to appease.  WIth the Collectors now extinct and Shepard on the hunt again, perhaps keeping Liara alive allows the SB to use her to "reach" Shepard and speak to the "better angels" of her nature.  In turn, keeping Feron alive keeps Liara in play, constantly chasing a fruitless quest and allowing the SB to watch her for when Shepard comes back into her life.

Of course that makes logical sense and for all I know Bioware is just going to blow everyone up.  Who knows.

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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They're going to have to think of a damn good reason for Feron being alive. From what it showed Tazzik doing to him in #4, it looks like he was trying to murder him there and then. Plus, the SB is going to want to exterminate him for ruining his once in a lifetime deal. I mean, he hired Wrex to kill Fist for a simple betrayal. What Feron did to the SB makes Fist's betrayal look like peanuts in comparison.

Maybe the Shadow Broker kept him as collateral for a later deal.  It seems to me he DOESN'T want to outright kill Liara, as even Nyxeris is observing, not playing an assassin.  If he wanted Liara dead, he would have sent every heavy hitter he had when she was weak and just starting, not even giving her a chance to get her feet wet with Information Brokering. 

If I was a deceptive bastard like the Shadow Broker, I want would to keep tabs on both the Collectors AND Shepard, knowing she might come back.  Then, whichever side seems likely to win, you try to appease.  WIth the Collectors now extinct and Shepard on the hunt again, perhaps keeping Liara alive allows the SB to use her to "reach" Shepard and speak to the "better angels" of her nature.  In turn, keeping Feron alive keeps Liara in play, constantly chasing a fruitless quest and allowing the SB to watch her for when Shepard comes back into her life.

Of course that makes logical sense and for all I know Bioware is just going to blow everyone up.  Who knows.

That makes too much sense and is too logical for the new ME universe.

Well damn, make me the Shadow Broker then as it seems I have the right stuff for the job!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Another question that we all hoped #4 would answer, and ended up not, was why the Shadow Broker was just watching Liara, and not killing her outright? Why did he send in Nyxeris as a double agent, and order her to merely observe her, rather than offing Liara and ending the problem there and then, plus gaining vengeance for screwing up the deal?

Argh. So many frigging questions unanswered!

As powerful as Liara supposedly is I have a feeling she is just pygmy stuff to real power brokers like the SB and even the people who were at the party Kasumi took Shepard to.  Those are the REAL criminal masterminds.  Liara is probably artifically propped up by the SB not wanting to murder her in her sleep...

Think of it like criminal families.  The SB and people like him are New York families, old, traditional, with thousands of soldiers ready to take orders.

Liara is probably something like a New Jersey family (Sopranos) with a few people under her thumb and then hiring out the rest of her work.  In a real war in the shadows...well, I don't think she'd do too well.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 09 avril 2010 - 08:29 .

[bjdbwea]

For the supposed DLC, it would make sense if he was alive. Adds a more personal element. Something that needs to be there, as the absence of it in ME 2 proves. Faceless enemies and nameless captured settlers just don't cut it.

Plus, he needs to be alive if they do want to play the "rocky relationship" angle after all. Imagine: For the second time, Liara thought someone she cared about was dead, only to find out he's still alive. In the end she needs to decide between the two, or better yet: Needs to decide whom to save. Drama! Of course she chooses Shepard if the player played their cards correctly. Otherwise, Shepard has to save herself (has to survive after all), but Liara is gone.

Come to think of it, way too much content for BioWare/EA DLC, but you could fill a whole expansion with that stuff. If only...

Modifié par bjdbwea, 09 avril 2010 - 08:28 .

[JPfanner]

Someone was still offering a substantial reward for Shepard in ME2. Enough so that the warden on Purgatory was willing to cross Shepard and betray a deal with Cerberus. Neither of those two things seem very healthy, especially the betraying a deal a part since that would damage any future business dealings with everyone. So he must have been getting one hell of a deal.

Whether that was the Shadow Broker or not is speculation, but brokering those kinds of deals is pretty much what he does, and he does have a prior interest in Shepard and the Collectors. It was annoying you couldn't find out who was offering so much to that warden that he'd do all that instead of take the easy cash Cerberus was offering for Jack.

[screwoffreg]

JPfanner wrote...

Someone was still offering a substantial reward for Shepard in ME2. Enough so that the warden on Purgatory was willing to cross Shepard and betray a deal with Cerberus. Neither of those two things seem very healthy, especially the betraying a deal a part since that would damage any future business dealings with everyone. So he must have been getting one hell of a deal.
Whether that was the Shadow Broker or not is speculation, but brokering those kinds of deals is pretty much what he does, and he does have a prior interest in Shepard and the Collectors. It was annoying you couldn't find out who was offering so much to that warden that he'd do all that instead of take the easy cash Cerberus was offering for Jack.

The Collectors make their own deals, so it wouldn't be surprising if it was them.  They don't NEED the Shadow Broker to do things on their behalf as it is clear they make deals with all races for specimens.

[JPfanner]

screwoffreg wrote...
The Collectors make their own deals, so it wouldn't be surprising if it was them.  They don't NEED the Shadow Broker to do things on their behalf as it is clear they make deals with all races for specimens.

That's why I said it was speculation if the Shadow Broker still had an interest in completing that deal with the Collectors from two years ago or not.  It'd be nice if we had been told, like finding some evidence on the carcass of that warden, or EDI rifling through Purgatory's databases the minute the betrayal started.  So it is yet another loose end.
And it really is stupid that Shepard can't get in contact with the Shadow Broker after talking to Liara and just ask them what the hell is going on.  Or go visit that volus financier on the Citadel, or even pass it along to Anderson.  Instead Shepard is their normal obtuse self in ME2 about that whole issue, just like they are with everything else.

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JPfanner wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
The Collectors make their own deals, so it wouldn't be surprising if it was them.  They don't NEED the Shadow Broker to do things on their behalf as it is clear they make deals with all races for specimens.

That's why I said it was speculation if the Shadow Broker still had an interest in completing that deal with the Collectors from two years ago or not.  It'd be nice if we had been told, like finding some evidence on the carcass of that warden, or EDI rifling through Purgatory's databases the minute the betrayal started.  So it is yet another loose end.
And it really is stupid that Shepard can't get in contact with the Shadow Broker after talking to Liara and just ask them what the hell is going on.  Or go visit that volus financier on the Citadel, or even pass it along to Anderson.  Instead Shepard is their normal obtuse self in ME2 about that whole issue, just like they are with everything else.

Shepard is pretty emotionally retarded, to be honest.

Even look at the Liara encounter...your love kisses you and pulls away...and you SIT DOWN NORMALLY and just talk?

Then she pours out a heartbreaking story of loss...and you go "Hey, my mission is important, thanks!"

....really?