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[jlb524]

screwoffreg wrote...

Shepard is pretty emotionally retarded, to be honest.

Even look at the Liara encounter...your love kisses you and pulls away...and you SIT DOWN NORMALLY and just talk?

Then she pours out a heartbreaking story of loss...and you go "Hey, my mission is important, thanks!"

....really?

Really.  Cerberus/Miranda totally messed Shepard up or something.

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Shepard is pretty emotionally retarded, to be honest.

Even look at the Liara encounter...your love kisses you and pulls away...and you SIT DOWN NORMALLY and just talk?

Then she pours out a heartbreaking story of loss...and you go "Hey, my mission is important, thanks!"

....really?

Really.  Cerberus/Miranda totally messed Shepard up or something.

If they ever did an ME movie they could pull off the emotion...

Only if it has a Liara romance though!!! (and is not written as a cheap cash in like ALL other videogame movies)

[screwoffreg]

The SB could be an amazingly complex character too...



But if we look at the old dialogue that wasnt included, it sounds like the plan was:



SB bad guy, kill bad guy, ugh

Then NO mention of Feron (assume hes dead then?)

Liara: Welp, hes dead but I am power mad and must control the galactic information trade. Bye!

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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

If they ever did an ME movie they could pull off the emotion...

Only if it has a Liara romance though!!! (and is not written as a cheap cash in like ALL other videogame movies)

Was there ever a good movie based off a game? I've never seen one. I really hope ME anything never becomes a movie.

I honestly think the ME universe is rich enough where it could be  major epic trilogy, BUT it would have to have the support of a studio that sees the vision of more than "cash in garbage" and writers that take the themes and characters seriously.  I guess I should keep dreamin then...

There is only one videogame franchise I can think of as somewhat succesful and that is Resident Evil.  Zombie movies are very simple though and tried and true:  Kill zombies, zombies scary and eat people!!!  Wait, the real monster is the darkness in the hearts of men! *end movie*

[JPfanner]

jlb524 wrote...
Really.  Cerberus/Miranda totally messed Shepard up or something.

There's no question in my mind that Project Lazarus was a failure.  Shepard can no longer DANCE!

[Shadowcat101]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Morning everybody, I said I'd check back today and I did. And I was very glad to see that people were joking before In hind sight, the extremity of some of the things said shoud have tipped me off, I blame it on not being able to read tone-of-voice in text.

So yeah, I'm back and won't be leaving my favorite thread. And since this thread didn't sink to the low I thought it had last night (and since Les used the word "facetious") I think I'll post the latest WIP preview image for my current artowork.



Now this is still an early Work In Progress image, I'm really easing this piece along, I want it to be as good as it can. The colors for Liara's crest alone takes up six layers and I'm still not quite done with it. And do not fear; I do have a background laid out. Granted, it's not the most original of backgrounds, but it's better than those little gray boxes.

Oh yeah, and thanks to that little discussion a little bit back, now I'm imagining Liara and Shepard coming out on a tank, in full Degeneration-X attire. Shepard would be Triple H and Liara would be Shawn Micheals, y'know, with the hat. Especially the hat.

Sorry, a bit of a dig. Not been around so much right now.

Very cool Indigo. I like how you taking your time with it to get it just the way you want. Look forward to seeing it done, is there a body to it?

[Unit-Alpha]

bjdbwea wrote...

I hope they'll leave Liara alone, and just concentrate on giving her a proper role in ME 3. From a commercial point of view, it would make sense to make Tali the star of the next series, as it seems her fans are the largest group available for milking. Whereas it's uncertain how many Liara fans would be willing to throw money at BioWare/EA anymore.

You realize that Tali is probably the lowest in terms of total people who do her romance as MaleShep? Tali fans are just really vocal here. In reality, Liara was probably the most romanced of ME1 and Miranda of ME2 if you look at the big picture.

[screwoffreg]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

I hope they'll leave Liara alone, and just concentrate on giving her a proper role in ME 3. From a commercial point of view, it would make sense to make Tali the star of the next series, as it seems her fans are the largest group available for milking. Whereas it's uncertain how many Liara fans would be willing to throw money at BioWare/EA anymore.

You realize that Tali is probably the lowest in terms of total people who do her romance as MaleShep? Tali fans are just really vocal here. In reality, Liara was probably the most romanced of ME1 and Miranda of ME2 if you look at the big picture.

Well, they did model Miranda off of Yvonne Strahovski. Its probably why she is one of the hardest squad members to get killed in the last mission and usually doing so results in Shepard dying as well.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 09 avril 2010 - 09:02 .

[Unit-Alpha]

screwoffreg wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

I hope they'll leave Liara alone, and just concentrate on giving her a proper role in ME 3. From a commercial point of view, it would make sense to make Tali the star of the next series, as it seems her fans are the largest group available for milking. Whereas it's uncertain how many Liara fans would be willing to throw money at BioWare/EA anymore.

You realize that Tali is probably the lowest in terms of total people who do her romance as MaleShep? Tali fans are just really vocal here. In reality, Liara was probably the most romanced of ME1 and Miranda of ME2 if you look at the big picture.

Well, they did model Miranda off of Yvonne Strahovski. Its probably why she is one of the hardest squad members to get killed in the last mission and usually doing so results in Shepard dying as well.

Yeah, that's why I expect her to return. She is a big draw for the "mainstream teenage male" crowd.

[screwoffreg]

I expect all the Cerberus people to return honestly. Outside of Cerberus they really have nowhere else to go. Miranda is a definite (shes your second in command) and Jacob...well where would Jacob go? Grunt is also another likely candidate to stay as we need our Krogan representation.



I hope the exit of some crewmembers leaves room for our ME 1 friends, but we will see. I have a feeling Bailey, the CSec officer, may join the crew as well as it mentions as the end of the mission he is a "target for future recruiting efforts".

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Liara: Welp, hes dead but I am power mad and must control the galactic information trade. Bye!

I don't think that was the case though. It seemed to be that Liara would've temporarily continued on in the information trade for the duration of the mission against the Collectors in order to dig up any information on them that could've helped Shepard. Really, it seems that was their original intention and reason as to why she wasn't in the squad: because she was trying to help Shepard.

Thankfully they scrapped that as it was utter cobblers. For one, why couldn't Liara read all of the SB's data on the Normandy with the help of a powerful AI? And why would she continue in the information trade, when she obviously hates it, and not go with Shepard as she expresses desire to? The original intention was utter crap, and was scrapped for a reason.

It was a bad premise but I do think Liara was supposed to be portrayed as somewhat "straying" from the good side as she mentions she wants to prevent the other SB agents from hurting Shepard (which is crap because the SB NEVER even tries to kill Shepard unless secretly Wilson was an SB agent). 

Also, EDI would obviously be a great asset to Liara and her whole "I need to sort through data".  It would be nice if at the end of the expansion at least Liara joins as an  NPC on your crew (maybe even in your quarters if she is your LI) and works with EDI.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 09 avril 2010 - 09:11 .

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do like the idea of Shepard contacting the SB. "Say, Broker, just WTF is going on between you and my girlfriend? Seriously." :-)

But yeah, I see the point you're making JP. Shepard is an extremely poorly written character in ME2. It's such a shame, as the opposite was true in ME1. Despite the fact that you pretty much defined Shepard's personality yourself, the character was still believeable, and reacted to situations in logical and believable ways. I hate the writing in ME2. Really, I can't stand it.

Shepard just doesn't ask any questions about what happens, or doesn't pursue anything, or even make a stand.
Like right from the beginning on that station, you can have Shepard say that you want to look for survivors.  And Miranda says they're all probably dead and that they knew the risks.  So Shepard drops it, when any Paragon Shepard would tell Miranda to blow and head off to save those people. 
Shepard's response to having been dead and reanimated is pretty much, "ok."  Shepard being the commanding officer of the Normandy is so much a joke it is painful.  You can't even order someone to feed your damn fish without letting them hump your leg first.
The problem with Shepard being a stupid passive lump when talking to Liara is pretty much consistent with how they behave with anything that isn't the "right" plot track.  You aren't supposed to worry about what Liara is doing, about the relationship, or why she can't come.  You're just supposed to click those lines of dialog and then head off to shoot those 40some people to get the name of the ship for Samara.

[bjdbwea]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

You realize that Tali is probably the lowest in terms of total people who do her romance as MaleShep? Tali fans are just really vocal here. In reality, Liara was probably the most romanced of ME1 and Miranda of ME2 if you look at the big picture.

I hope you're correct, but I don't know. I never visit the Tali thread, so basically I have no idea how many people there really are to fill all those thousands of pages. But when you look at polls - where everyone can only vote once after all - Tali always wins. Even in that recent MDK poll, to my dismay. Therefore as far as the virtual world of the internet is concerned, her fan base has to be the largest. I like to think that it looks quite different for the huge majority of people who never visit the web sites and forums, but that's only speculation.

[screwoffreg]

Well, I can't think of a Bioware game, or any video game outside of the HEAVILY scripted Final Fantasy series, where the main PC really shows a great deal of emotion. It is just more apparent in ME because we make the character to our liking and get frustrated when he acts like an idiot because of plot walls that are put up. Videogames are a fun medium, but they will never beat books and film for emotional impact unless we have an EDI like AI program and design a rich and emotional world all on its own.

That, or the holodeck from Star Trek...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 09 avril 2010 - 09:24 .

[screwoffreg]

Well obviously the cries for Tali were wide enough to have Bioware make her a romance option, and a cutesy and cuddly one at that.

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...


It was a bad premise but I do think Liara was supposed to be portrayed as somewhat "straying" from the good side as she mentions she wants to prevent the other SB agents from hurting Shepard (which is crap because the SB NEVER even tries to kill Shepard unless secretly Wilson was an SB agent). 

Also, EDI would obviously be a great asset to Liara and her whole "I need to sort through data".  It would be nice if at the end of the expansion at least Liara joins as an  NPC on your crew (maybe even in your quarters if she is your LI) and works with EDI.

Which is still a noble intention, and show's that Shepard's safety and how much she cares for him/her is still at the forefront of her mind. Plus, she only wanted to off the Observer after the SB had been elimanted as the Observer was a threat to her own safety, and it was out of self-defence.

Hell yes I want Liara back on the Normandy as an NPC! It would be nice to go up to the cabin after every mission to see Liara working away, and have her greet you with a big smooch and a hug.

Perhaps a noble intention, but I think the theme of making Liara darker is definitely at the forefront of Bioware's mind.

In regards to the quarters, it seems there is an extra desk with a blank, and wide, picture frame.  My notion would be that your LI would move in eventually and the photo would be one of you two together.  It just seems terribly odd to have such an empty space and then list the Commanders Quarters as (none) on the elevator listing, which should be apparent to everyone unless it was a hint that someone may be in there one day...

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

On the contrary bjd, alot of his multiple choice polls prior to the current one have always had his Freya/Liara or just plain Liara art winning out, and winning quite comfortably, even when Tali has been an option before. I don't know why it's different with this current one, but it hasn't been consistent with his other polls.

I didn't know that, but it's good to hear. But all polls I've seen on this site are won by Tali, fortunately with Liara often being second. And that even after the writers did their best to trash her character and make her unpopular. Not that her persisting popularity seems to count for anything.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 09 avril 2010 - 09:38 .