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[ratzerman]

I tell ya.... we might not have the highest page count, but we've GOT to have the highest word count.

Modifié par ratzerman, 09 avril 2010 - 09:45 .

[scmadsen]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I tell ya.... we might not have the highest page count, but we've GOT to have the highest word count.

What can I say? Liara T'Soni - the thinking woman's love interest.

That was a joke, fans of other LIs!!!

fixed

[scmadsen]

ratzerman wrote...

I tell ya.... we might not have the highest page count, but we've GOT to have the highest word count.

I don't know what you're talking about...

[JaylaClark]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

holy crap I remember Mankind "Have a Nice Day"

I remember the fight between Mankind and The Rock "Can You Smell what the Rock is Cookin!"

and how The Rock cheated

[edit]

once Stone Cold Steve Austin left I said f*ck WWF

Um, this.  And I'd say good morning, but I was kinda busy in the actual morning.  WOW am I gonna have some catching up to do...

(Oh, and Mick Foley is still wrestling.  Someone tell him to stop?  He's missing some important ligaments in his knees, plural...)

[ratzerman]

Remember when the Rock and Mankind were a tag team for a little while? That was awesome.



/random

[JPfanner]

If Garrus didn't "go dark" after what he was doing then I don't really see anyone doing it. The morality in Mass Effect isn't the same as Star Wars or even the real world by a long shot. Paragon Shepard and Renegade Shepard are both heroes, and while that can be a stretch sometimes to get your head around for Renegade Shepard it is supposed to be true.

Personally, I think if any morality were to define Mass Effect it would be "might makes right", or from the Melian Dialogue, "The strong do as they will, and the weak endure what they must." Shepard is a hero because they get things done and kill everyone who stands in the way of getting those things done. Paragon Shepard is all nice and stuff, but their total bodycount is only a handful behind Renegade Shepard. Not counting Renegade Shepard contributing to the mass deaths like with the Destiny Ascension or heretic geth.

The game is a hybrid shooter, but even in any roleplaying game, killing bad people is a good thing and something that you spend a lot of time doing. The galaxy is full of bad people that need killing. Shepard is a hero because they're meaner than the bad guys. The Reapers in ME3 will be stopped by Shepard and two other people shooting a hell of a lot of bad stuff to death.

So I can't really see Liara needing to be saved or anything like that. She's not doing anything that any of your other squadmates haven't done, or anything that any Shepard doesn't do on a daily basis. Every Shepard kills over a hundred people alone on Illium after walking out of Liara's office. If anything, Shepard should be worrying about themselves, but in the context of the game it is all cool because those people who were killed were impediments to the hero.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do like the idea of Shepard contacting the SB. "Say, Broker, just WTF is going on between you and my girlfriend? Seriously." :-)

The Shadow Broker owes Shep a beer.  

No, wait, that was Gianna.  The Shadow Broker owes Shepard something for handing over that Cerberus data.

[ratzerman]

justinnstuff wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Remember when the Rock and Mankind were a tag team for a little while? That was awesome.

/random

Hell yeah. Those days were awesome. I miss socko. 

Mankind doing the People's Elbow was the funniest moment in wrestling history.  It was downhill from there.

[jlb524]

That reminds me...I need to take more super-fly flying camera shots of Liara in ME1 tonight.

[scmadsen]

I do not see us getting a Liara DLC, but we might get a Shadow Broker DLC...which will consist of us doing missions for Liara, to hunt down the Shadow Broker, find Feron, and perhaps kill the Shadow Broker. If we are lucky, we might even get Liara as a squadmate for the missions, but we might not as well.

A Liara DLC would be focused on Liara and the Shepard/Liara romance, the Shadow Broker simply being a mission or two. However with the comic, I now see BioWare taking it more mainstream, and just putting in mostly fighting with a little story, very little.

Thus we get a Shadow Broker DLC. After which Liara will make up a reason not to come on the Normandy, and she'll stay on Illium with Feron. And we'll have to do a mission in ME3 to pickup Liara, then mayeb another to make her loyal.

They might put out that romance DLC, but it will likely only be for ME2 romances. If we are very lucky, it might allow fixing Liara and Shepard, but I won't count on it.

They'll save it for ME3, if they even let us touch on it at all. Our reward you say? Well yes...our reward will be there, but it's going to be something along the lines of Liara kissing Shepard again, like in ME2.

Modifié par scmadsen, 09 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Ok, so I was thinking a bit on Liara and her position in the ME series, and I realized that she was objectively Bioware's most beloved character of ME1.

So here's my comprehensive list of reasons:

ME1: Storyline
>Receives an entire mission world (Therum) as one of the six mission worlds; only squadmate with this distinction.
>Directly tied to a second mission world (Noveria) by Benezia
>>Therefore, 1/3 of missions were tied to Liara
>Longest love scene

Writing/Voice Acting
>Only character with alternate dialog based on when she/he is recruited
>Most poignant scenes of any squadmate (see Benezia) (Subjective to a point)
>Only squadmate with completely unique and dialog tree-changing dialog during a mission (Noveria)
>Best/most humorous squad banter (See "sand" and "creepy tunnel" comments) (Subjective)
>Only squadmate with heavy (subjective adjective) post mission dialog (See post-Noveria)
>Note dialog similarities with Bastila in KOTOR

Technical
>Best facial graphics for alien race characters (Note texture quality; highest resolution is for Liara)
>Most unique dialog animations (See dialog on Normandy/post-mission briefs)
>Most artistic and unique love scene
>>Introduction of new particle system, artistic flourishes

Other
>Most easily accessible within Normandy, indicates that devs wanted easy access
>>No elevator connection
>>Please note: Kaiden was also easily accessible
>Only squadmate with a separate room
>Closest locker if coming from the elevator

ME2: Storyline
>Only former squadmate with devoted area (Office on Illium)
>>Wrex had a throne, Ash/Kaiden had nothing
>Only former squadmate with any missions
>Only invincible squadmate

Writing/Voice Acting
>Some of the most well-delivered lines of ME2 (subjective)
>Most dialog of any former squadmate

Technical
>Some of the best camera work for an NPC (Subjective to a point)
>Most devoted in-game assets for a former squadmate

Other
>Redemption comic with the most focus being put on Liara, bar none
>Redemption graphic novel as second release of comic

That's about all I can think of right now, but realizing this makes me a bit more optimistic about her role in ME3; if Bioware really loved her that much, then maybe (if the corrupt hands of EA of Mac Walters are kept at bay) she will have a great return in ME3.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 09 avril 2010 - 10:43 .

[tonnactus]

screwoffreg wrote...


Well, they did model Miranda off of Yvonne Strahovski. Its probably why she is one of the hardest squad members to get killed in the last mission and usually doing so results in Shepard dying as well.

Where do you get this nonsense??My Shepardt never died in any playtrough i managed to kill off that annoyance.

[bjdbwea]

Oh, the pessimism again. But I agree with you, that's simply the most likely prediction.

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
She's just an inherently good person in an inherently bad situation, for completely sympathetic reasons. She's tormented by her guilt for handing Shepard over, her emotional pain and how much she's suffered, her fear that her lover will hate her, that she's seeking redemption in the form of ending the Shadow Broker. She feels that ending the SB will help ease her pain, and make her happy again. It's a very sad, but also completely sympathetic situation. The fact that we can't comfort Liara and help her cope with everything that's happened speaks volumes, and tells me that all of this, as well as the rekindling of the romance with Liara and her pouring her heart out about everything she's been through to Shep, will be handled in the Liara DLC.

Yep, if Liara wasn't a good person she'd have just walked away.  That would have been the easy thing to do, it would have been what most people would have done.  But Liara is a good person, and she's a hero, just like all your ME1 squadmates are.  And I suppose I have to even admit that your ME2 squadmates are too since they do agree to throw away their lives on your crazy plan to stop the Collectors.

Her pursuit of the Shadow Broker isn't the selfish path.  The selfish path would have been going to Ilos and returning to her life before the events of ME1.  Trying to forget about everything that happened.  She's trying to do what she feels is the right thing to do despite the circumstances making that difficult.  Which pretty much sums up Shepard's position in ME2 as well with having to endure the "help" of Cerberus to stop the current Reaper related threat.

[ratzerman]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

That's about all I can think of right now, but realizing this makes me a bit more optimistic about her role in ME3; if Bioware really loved her that much, then maybe (if the corrupt hands of EA of Mac Walters are kept at bay) she will have a great return in ME3.

Well, Casey Hudson did say that she's his favorite character, albeit in a round-about way.

That has to count for something, right?