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[WilliamShatner]

Maviarab wrote...

Once again Nozy (and I am a Liara fan)...there is NOTHING to salvage, she was written this way for a very good reason, and there are lots of clues....just because a few people dont like it, does not make it wrong or say it needs salvaging.

The writers of Batman and Robin would also say that it was
written that way for a very good reason, but that doesn't make it good.

Liara went from A to D without us ever seeing B and C.  She is a main character and seeing this development is important.  It's not something that can be waffed away and merely referenced with "clues". 

[jojon2se]

Whatever Liara is involved with, it is probably way bigger than any personal revenge mission of hers, or she would have been eliminated or brushed off as a no-threat long ago. Instead we had the observer infiltrating her organisation, which, I admit, could simply be to freeload on her informer network, but I don't think so.



If you are disarming a 10 kilotonne time bomb in a building, you don't order the guy disarming a 1 kilotonne one on the floor below to come help, unless you really really can't do it without him and you don't strip every farm of able workers for soldiers to fight a war, unless you enjoy starving -- the society you protect must still keep running.

[Marcin K]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Once again Nozy (and I am a Liara fan)...there is NOTHING to salvage, she was written this way for a very good reason, and there are lots of clues....just because a few people dont like it, does not make it wrong or say it needs salvaging.

The writers of Batman and Robin would also say that it was
written that way for a very good reason, but that doesn't make it good.

Liara went from A to D without us ever seeing B and C.  She is a main character and seeing this development is important.  It's not something that can be waffed away and merely referenced with "clues". 

i'd say even stronger that she went form A to W and only XYZ are left for DLC and ME3 , thou B to V could be done in DLC
/*editorial note: i -over-hiped the image to expose the gap more...**
**-this is not pessimistic -just observation=] ***
***-and it all seems unlikely....

Modifié par Marcin R, 27 février 2010 - 06:58 .

[Raanz]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Here is the prologue if you will of a story I may continue once the comics are done and it does not take away from my current series of books. Let me know what you think.

www.fanfiction.net/s/5779857/1/The_End_of_the_Beginning

This is really good.  I'm not much of a romantic but I enjoyed reading it.  Kudos.
If I had some time, I would like to illustrate it...maybe a little sequential art styling would work well with this.  If only I knew a comic colorist.

[AndroLeonidas]

Raanz wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Here is the prologue if you will of a story I may continue once the comics are done and it does not take away from my current series of books. Let me know what you think.

www.fanfiction.net/s/5779857/1/The_End_of_the_Beginning

This is really good.  I'm not much of a romantic but I enjoyed reading it.  Kudos.
If I had some time, I would like to illustrate it...maybe a little sequential art styling would work well with this.  If only I knew a comic colorist.

That would be very cool!

[Nozybidaj]

Littledoom wrote...
I see your in the same situation as me, can't find the will and motivation to play ME2 as it is now.
You have some interesting ideas there and I would not mind if they did something like that, that would be the "troubled relationship" they claim is in the game. Well time will tell if the ME2 team have any sense and writing skill to surprise us with.

Yeah, I just can't find any reason to play it, it has nothing at all to do with my Shepard nor his story.  Guess if we wait two more years, again, maybe we'll finally get something relevant that I can count as a sequel to ME1.  I'm hopeful that there is an expansion that solves this problem before then, but honestly, I'm not holding out hope for it.  I'll wait and see the forum reaction to it once/if it is out.

[Marcin K]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Littledoom wrote...
I see your in the same situation as me, can't find the will and motivation to play ME2 as it is now.
You have some interesting ideas there and I would not mind if they did something like that, that would be the "troubled relationship" they claim is in the game. Well time will tell if the ME2 team have any sense and writing skill to surprise us with.

Yeah, I just can't find any reason to play it, it has nothing at all to do with my Shepard nor his story.  Guess if we wait two more years, again, maybe we'll finally get something relevant that I can count as a sequel to ME1.  I'm hopeful that there is an expansion that solves this problem before then, but honestly, I'm not holding out hope for it.  I'll wait and see the forum reaction to it once/if it is out.

when/if dlc will be out [i vote for when is more likely thou] i will get & play no matter how good it will be, as doing anything Liara-related is better than just sitting in tornament of Liara-lacking?
did i say this? is it starting to grow into fanatic-Liara-addicition? lol

[Raanz]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Raanz wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Here is the prologue if you will of a story I may continue once the comics are done and it does not take away from my current series of books. Let me know what you think.

www.fanfiction.net/s/5779857/1/The_End_of_the_Beginning

This is really good.  I'm not much of a romantic but I enjoyed reading it.  Kudos.
If I had some time, I would like to illustrate it...maybe a little sequential art styling would work well with this.  If only I knew a comic colorist.

That would be very cool!

Doing quick fan pieces is one thing, doing pages of comic art is another, takes more time if you know what I mean.  My schedule is pretty full right now (we have a patch due out soon), but if I do get some extra time, I would love to try it..at least a couple of pages and I will throw it your way, see what you think.  Can't promise anything but it would make a really good fan-comic.
Is that cool?

[Marcin K]

Raanz wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Raanz wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Here is the prologue if you will of a story I may continue once the comics are done and it does not take away from my current series of books. Let me know what you think.

www.fanfiction.net/s/5779857/1/The_End_of_the_Beginning

This is really good.  I'm not much of a romantic but I enjoyed reading it.  Kudos.
If I had some time, I would like to illustrate it...maybe a little sequential art styling would work well with this.  If only I knew a comic colorist.

That would be very cool!

Doing quick fan pieces is one thing, doing pages of comic art is another, takes more time if you know what I mean.  My schedule is pretty full right now (we have a patch due out soon), but if I do get some extra time, I would love to try it..at least a couple of pages and I will throw it your way, see what you think.  Can't promise anything but it would make a really good fan-comic.
Is that cool?

not bad idea...sadly i'm not an artist in even slightest degree...

General Stubbs wrote...

I would get it no matter what as well.
From a realisitc perspective, we may not get everything we want in Liara DLC, but BioWare would most likey fix most of our concerns.
I am sure we will, at the very least, get an emotional scene between Liara and Shepard that continues the romance and a paragon/renegade option that decides what type of person Liara will become.
In my opinion (and everyone else's), an emotional continuation of the romance is the most important part for BioWare to focus on, I am sure they do realize this and will do what they should have done in the first place.
Since a Liara expansion would only appeal to people who love Liara and ME1 fans, they have no reason to focus on the shooting aspect of the DLC. I would think that BioWare would mainly focus on creating a deep and emotional story between Shepard and Liara.
I don't think there is any other type of Liara addiction but complete fanatical utter love for her .

in last post today i strongly agree witch 2nd quote posted ^^^...anyway, i go offline and, make traditional by now i think, statement: [for those new/who forgotten i shall re-quote myself]:

Marcin R wrote...


i go OFFLINE for night, so have a great night all,
---
/* whispers: and if pesimism starts again... if you see it, justinnstuff or littledoom you know what to do right? WINK WINK. WINK.

and once again good night to you all [for US time-zoners: also produce some optimistic pages if  willing & in mood:)]

Modifié par Marcin R, 27 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I posted this in the Redemption thread in the Liara Fan Club, see what you guys think:

I was digging around on eBay, and I've finally found the final design for Redemption #3. Take a look for yourselves, fellow Liara lovers:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item563a195101

What caught my interest is the "He trades in secrets....and keeps his own" which to me hints that there will be some sort of revelation regarding Feron. Was he somehow complicit in the Shadow Broker taking Shepard's body, before switching sides and helping Liara?

You get the feeling that Liara needs to watch her back with him, though.

Well you can read the 6 page preview for Redemption 3 here.  http://www.darkhorse...s/16-423?page=0

[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...

I would get it no matter what as well.
From a realisitc perspective, we may not get everything we want in Liara DLC, but BioWare would most likey fix most of our concerns.
I am sure we will, at the very least, get an emotional scene between Liara and Shepard that continues the romance and a paragon/renegade option that decides what type of person Liara will become.
In my opinion (and everyone else's), an emotional continuation of the romance is the most important part for BioWare to focus on, I am sure they do realize this and will do what they should have done in the first place.
Since a Liara expansion would only appeal to people who love Liara and ME1 fans, they have no reason to focus on the shooting aspect of the DLC. I would think that BioWare would mainly focus on creating a deep and emotional story between Shepard and Liara.
I don't think there is any other type of Liara addiction but complete fanatical utter love for her .

That is more or less what I hope it will be, though I won't be putting money down on it till it is confirmed that is what we actually get.  I generally avoid spoilers and hate having a whole story ruined for me before I get to see it for myself, but I feel that in this case it will be worth it before giving BW money for something I am not going to enjoy again.

[Yeled]

Now, now...we're getting negative again. Perhaps we should discuss our favorite Liara moment from the ME series...

[JPfanner]

Well I don't like conjecturing about the comic when ME2 pretty much convinced me that attempting to follow threads of coherence wasn't applicable to whatever story they'd come up. But I'll give it a go for the heck of it and twist it to be Liara-centric to boot!

Maybe the Collector's want Liara as well and Feron's initial job wasn't to lead her away from Shepard but to lead her to a trap where she could be snagged up as well. Then Cerberus ruined the first ambush on Omega, and made Omega too dangerous to try it again there. So he "accidentally" messes up stopping the body from being taken off Omega so they have no choice but to follow.

Liara has been in Shepard's noggin so she's carrying around the beacon messages, thorian memories, and the cipher as well. Shepard is currently in a charred beef jerky like state, so Liara and Shiala would be the only other two who would have that information. And Shiala is potentially emulating a dolphin with a blowhole in her head from Renegade Shepard. The Collectors seemed to be interested in Horizon because of the chance to snatch up Ashley/Kaiden. Hell, maybe the Collectors were never that interested in Shepard to begin with except as a means to get their hands on what is in Liara's head. I'm sure the Reapers are definitely wondering what it was that the Protheans passed along since Shepard then turned around and smoked Sovereign.

So maybe Feron has a change of heart at the end, that Liara's dedication to saving her friend makes him realize the value of loyalty and all that cliche stuff. Liara escapes with Shepard's body and Feron sacrifices himself to ensure her escape.

[vigna]

Lacks side............etc etc

[vigna]

JPfanner wrote...

Well I don't like conjecturing about the comic when ME2 pretty much convinced me that attempting to follow threads of coherence wasn't applicable to whatever story they'd come up. But I'll give it a go for the heck of it and twist it to be Liara-centric to boot!
Maybe the Collector's want Liara as well and Feron's initial job wasn't to lead her away from Shepard but to lead her to a trap where she could be snagged up as well. Then Cerberus ruined the first ambush on Omega, and made Omega too dangerous to try it again there. So he "accidentally" messes up stopping the body from being taken off Omega so they have no choice but to follow.
Liara has been in Shepard's noggin so she's carrying around the beacon messages, thorian memories, and the cipher as well. Shepard is currently in a charred beef jerky like state, so Liara and Shiala would be the only other two who would have that information. And Shiala is potentially emulating a dolphin with a blowhole in her head from Renegade Shepard. The Collectors seemed to be interested in Horizon because of the chance to snatch up Ashley/Kaiden. Hell, maybe the Collectors were never that interested in Shepard to begin with except as a means to get their hands on what is in Liara's head. I'm sure the Reapers are definitely wondering what it was that the Protheans passed along since Shepard then turned around and smoked Sovereign.
So maybe Feron has a change of heart at the end, that Liara's dedication to saving her friend makes him realize the value of loyalty and all that cliche stuff. Liara escapes with Shepard's body and Feron sacrifices himself to ensure her escape.

Plus if Liara is an LI then she is doubly important--especially after Shep awakens.

[vigna]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

I think it would be pretty cool to see the apartment Shepard won from Ahern in the Pinnacle Station DLC from ME1 make a return in ME3 as some sort of romantic setting for them to catch up and talk about the last 2 years. That would be nice...however unlikely it is haha.

Ummmmm, I just downloaded this. i have yet to play it. it seemed kinda shrimpy. But, alas, I folded and purchased.

[Nynaeve]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Ooooo, favourite Liara moments?



Joking? By the Goddess, how could I have been so dense!

Ah, Liara. I wuv you.

Aargh! she is just so incredibly adorable...I HAVE to play ME1 again now (though I wish it could be with ME2's combat) I've played 4 play throughs of me2 already, and there's a distinct void....