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Oh, man, I was just trying to be cute about it.  Now look at this mess.

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There have been Asari/human pairings, the one you find the locket for is one (on Illium), her daughter will be able to see her father's picture now that you have returned it, we just don't get to see the daughter tho

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Well, the bartender has markings on her face, and her voice, that makes her seem very Krogan, and that's just one that I can think of that quickly comes to mind, I'm sure there are more. She even says something along the lines of not believing that Asari don't get anything from the father. Meaning, she thinks that they do.

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scmadsen wrote...

Well, the bartender has markings on her face, and her voice, that makes her seem very Krogan, and that's just one that I can think of that quickly comes to mind, I'm sure there are more. She even says something along the lines of not believing that Asari don't get anything from the father. Meaning, she thinks that they do.


Her manner-of-speaking comes from her "father".  That's not heritable, just "nurture."  Otherwise, we don't have a sufficient in-game sample size to draw any conclusions about any genetic indicators of what the "father" can pass on to an Asari/non-Asari child.  That's just bad science...in a soft-science-fiction setting.

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No, her voice, she doesn't sound like other Asari, she's very rough like a Krogan.

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scmadsen wrote...

Well, the bartender has markings on her face, and her voice, that makes her seem very Krogan, and that's just one that I can think of that quickly comes to mind, I'm sure there are more. She even says something along the lines of not believing that Asari don't get anything from the father. Meaning, she thinks that they do.


Hehe Yeah, Aethyta is pretty vocal about preparing for battles, I'd half expect her to shout "I AM KROGON" if a bar room brawl started and jump into it.

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scmadsen wrote...

No, her voice, she doesn't sound like other Asari, she's very rough like a Krogan.


"Nurture", non-heritable.  She's imitating her "father", who obviously impressed upon her more than her "mother" did.  What does the "average" Asari sound like, anyway?  What is an "average" Asari?  That's like saying there's an "average" human voice.  

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scmadsen wrote...

Well, the bartender has markings on her face, and her voice, that makes her seem very Krogan, and that's just one that I can think of that quickly comes to mind, I'm sure there are more. She even says something along the lines of not believing that Asari don't get anything from the father. Meaning, she thinks that they do.

Ya, she has a raspy voice and a sort of Krogan-ish attitude. I would almost bet money that there really is some traits inherited from the father. Image IPB Need to start imagining Shep+Liara daughters.  I know one thing, those 2 will make some of the strongest and most inteligent kids the galaxy has seen!Image IPB

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If you want to know what physical traits asari get from the father species then you can read the codex in ME1. Then look up 'anecdotal evidence' on wiki in relation to science. But prepared to be depressed if you thought they actually got any. There's a reason why even Liara qualifies it as a "belief" when talking to you. Erinya tells you as much as well.

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If my posts are coming off as rude, it's because I'm tired and I'm in a lousy mood.

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That would depend upon if we talking a pureblood or any number of other race and Asari pairings. As you said, we don't have information to go on. But what proof is there she is simply imitating her father?

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yorkj86 wrote...

If my posts are coming off as rude, it's because I'm tired and I'm in a lousy mood.

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scmadsen wrote...

That would depend upon if we talking a pureblood or any number of other race and Asari pairings. As you said, we don't have information to go on. But what proof is there she is simply imitating her father?


Proof?  None.  This is speculation about speculation.  Bioware says one thing, their characters say other things, and no one has a clue what's going on.  I'm saying that she's imitating her father because that her personality is distinctly Krogan, as in tough, and no-nonsense, and because we don't have a sufficient sample-size to draw any conclusions about whether or not Asari daughters from Asari/non-Asari pairings actually inherit traits from their parents, I must attribute her Krogan mannerisms to her "father".  Occam's Razor, and all of that.

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JPfanner wrote...

If you want to know what physical traits asari get from the father species then you can read the codex in ME1. Then look up 'anecdotal evidence' on wiki in relation to science. But prepared to be depressed if you thought they actually got any. There's a reason why even Liara qualifies it as a "belief" when talking to you. Erinya tells you as much as well.


We are talking science fiction here though, and thus it's not beyond reason that Asari genetics and mating might not work like anything we have ever seen. They did evolve on a whole other planet half a galaxy away. The writers themselves even contradict what they say on the subject of Asari. Thus I'd rather like to just suspend reason and think Asari get something from their fathers, and other Asari saying they don't, is simply political philosophy.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

If my posts are coming off as rude, it's because I'm tired and I'm in a lousy mood.

I have half a bottle of wine left, want a glass?Image IPB


You don't bother me yorkj, no worries. And I'll share a glass with you Sunnie. :wub:

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Ya, she has a raspy voice and a sort of Krogan-ish attitude. I would almost bet money that there really is some traits inherited from the father. Image IPB Need to start imagining Shep+Liara daughters.  I know one thing, those 2 will make some of the strongest and most inteligent kids the galaxy has seen!Image IPB


I'd like to think so. ^_^

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yorkj86 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

That would depend upon if we talking a pureblood or any number of other race and Asari pairings. As you said, we don't have information to go on. But what proof is there she is simply imitating her father?


Proof?  None.  This is speculation about speculation.  Bioware says one thing, their characters say other things, and no one has a clue what's going on.  I'm saying that she's imitating her father because that her personality is distinctly Krogan, as in tough, and no-nonsense, and because we don't have a sufficient sample-size to draw any conclusions about whether or not Asari daughters from Asari/non-Asari pairings actually inherit traits from their parents, I must attribute her Krogan mannerisms to her "father".  Occam's Razor, and all of that.


Fair enough.

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Hehe Yeah, Aethyta is pretty vocal about preparing for battles, I'd half expect her to shout "I AM KROGON" if a bar room brawl started and jump into it.


I wanted to see her get rough with Conrad and toss him out. hehe

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There are a couple pureblood asari around Illium and none of them look alike nor anywhere near as beautiful as Liara, if I recall they remove tattoo's and other markings when they reach Matriarch stage (or was it matron stage?), Liara's mother had no markings, Aethyta has none, just what is there naturally ie: Liara and her Mother's eyebrows, don't think them are painted on.



So, all in all each Asari I think is unique, just as humans are and are products of their upbringing.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

If my posts are coming off as rude, it's because I'm tired and I'm in a lousy mood.

I have half a bottle of wine left, want a glass?Image IPB


I don't drink, thanks, but I'll be sure to get a chuckle out of you being tipsy on the forums.

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scmadsen wrote...
We are talking science fiction here though, and thus it's not beyond reason that Asari genetics and mating might not work like anything we have ever seen. They did evolve on a whole other planet half a galaxy away. The writers themselves even contradict what they say on the subject of Asari. Thus I'd rather like to just suspend reason and think Asari get something from their fathers, and other Asari saying they don't, is simply political philosophy.

The codex itself tells you that evidence is anecdotal.  Liara tells you that it is a belief.  Erinya tells you that any variation could easily be caused by environmental effects.  Anecdotal evidence for the inheritance of traits after the asari have been doing it for over 2700+ years?  So it isn't even a question of comparing it human genetics.  It is a belief and anecdotal evidence exactly because the asari can't find any actual evidence for it occuring, but some of them believe it anyway.
Could the developing child be influenced by any melding their mother did?  Sure, that seems more likely to me.  Plus asari probably attune themselves a bit to people around them automatically.  So being the parent of a child could have a profound impact on their development.
But any daughters of Shepard and Liara won't be inheriting any of Shepard's features or physical traits.  There is no transfer of genetic material.  All of their daughters genetic material comes from Liara.

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There are a couple pureblood asari around Illium and none of them look alike nor anywhere near as beautiful as Liara, if I recall they remove tattoo's and other markings when they reach Matriarch stage (or was it matron stage?), Liara's mother had no markings, Aethyta has none, just what is there naturally ie: Liara and her Mother's eyebrows, don't think them are painted on.

So, all in all each Asari I think is unique, just as humans are and are products of their upbringing.


Are the markings on Liara's head natural or did she put them there? We never saw what Benezia looked like under her hat thing. We see Samara has markings but Arthyta doesn't.

We still don't know if the eyebrows are markings or not do we, what about the freckles?

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I'd absolutely love it if the best possible romance ending for Liara and Shep in ME3 has them becoming bondmates and shows them with their little asari daughters. Seriously, how freaking heartwarming and sweet would that be? Shepard and Liara, snuggling together watching Liana and Aalia Shepard-T'Soni playing together.:wub:^_^


Oh, and Jayla? About what you said about it possibly being me who edited that chapter on the Mass Effect wiki? That's because it kinda, uh, was. :whistle:

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scmadsen wrote...

Unata wrote...

There are a couple pureblood asari around Illium and none of them look alike nor anywhere near as beautiful as Liara, if I recall they remove tattoo's and other markings when they reach Matriarch stage (or was it matron stage?), Liara's mother had no markings, Aethyta has none, just what is there naturally ie: Liara and her Mother's eyebrows, don't think them are painted on.

So, all in all each Asari I think is unique, just as humans are and are products of their upbringing.


Are the markings on Liara's head natural or did she put them there? We never saw what Benezia looked like under her hat thing. We see Samara has markings but Arthyta doesn't.

We still don't know if the eyebrows are markings or not do we, what about the freckles?


We know her freckles are adorable and cute, she'd be naked without them Image IPB

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Oh wait, we want her naked and in Shepard's bed....