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[JamieCOTC]

Just read Redemption #4. Wasn't as disappointed as I thought I would be. I interpreted Liara's actions in the last few panels as her having second thoughts about giving Shepard's body to Cerberus, not a betrayal of her friendship/love for Shep. It's also obvious that Liara owes Feron her life, but I didn't get any vibe that there was anything other than cautious respect coming from her. For me the worst part was the monologue montage Feron did to explain everything. Reminded me of the end of a Charlie's Angel's episode. No, there were no big reveals, but there is that mysterious data, perhaps we weren't running around for nothing after all.

[JamieCOTC]

justinnstuff wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Just read Redemption #4. Wasn't as disappointed as I thought I would be. I interpreted Liara's actions in the last few panels as her having second thoughts about giving Shepard's body to Cerberus, not a betrayal of her friendship/love for Shep. It's also obvious that Liara owes Feron her life, but I didn't get any vibe that there was anything other than cautious respect coming from her. For me the worst part was the monologue montage Feron did to explain everything. Reminded me of the end of a Charlie's Angel's episode. No, there were no big reveals, but there is that mysterious data, perhaps we weren't running around for nothing after all.

Hmm, I didn't hear anything about the mysterious data. When is that revealed?

It's in the comic and easy to miss. Feron hands a USB flash card to Liara right after his monologue.  She is also holding it right before the scene betwen her and Miranda discussing the condition of Shep's body. 

[JamieCOTC]

Other Redemption spoilers ...

In the comic it is revealed that the body is so badly "blown all to hell" that it was hard to tell if Shepard was a male or female. 

Also, the deal the Shadow Broker made w/ the Collectors may not have been w/ the Collectors.  In one scene, it's pretty clear that Harbinger (through the main collector) is talking to the SB. Harbinger later assumes control of another collector, though he doesn't say actually say that.   So, if the SB is all he says he is, then he probably knows who he is really dealing with.  In an earlier issue, the SB speaks of the compensation for collecting Shepard's body was well worth it, leading me to suspect that the SB may be pulling a Saren and has made a deal w/ the Reapers in exchange for being left alive.  That's pure speculation, though.

[JamieCOTC]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Just read Redemption #4. Wasn't as disappointed as I thought I would be. I interpreted Liara's actions in the last few panels as her having second thoughts about giving Shepard's body to Cerberus, not a betrayal of her friendship/love for Shep. It's also obvious that Liara owes Feron her life, but I didn't get any vibe that there was anything other than cautious respect coming from her. For me the worst part was the monologue montage Feron did to explain everything. Reminded me of the end of a Charlie's Angel's episode. No, there were no big reveals, but there is that mysterious data, perhaps we weren't running around for nothing after all.

Yep, it was an extrmemely clumsy way of showing the start of Liara's guilt for handing Shepard's body over to Cerberus. Miranda says that the damage to the corpse is far worse than they feared, and that the project might not work as well as they'd hope. Liara then seems to worry that Cerberus will mess up the Lazarus Project completely, and they'll bring Shepard back as some mindless zombie husk monstrosity, something Liara would obviously hate. What it's also showing is Liara lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, and not her own selfish desire to see Shepard revived, as she says in ME2: "I told myself I was doing it for you, for a chance to bring you back". She's lying to herself to soothe her own guilty conscience. Doesn't it speak volumes that Liara leaves Shepard with Cerberus anyway, in order to allow them to revive him/her? It's just an incredibly clumsy and badly presented way in which they've gone about it.

Yeah, you have to do a lot of the writer's work for them to get to that point.  Some would say, "read between the lines." but I think it is clear that the "generic" scope for this comic came at a great cost. 

[Noxis6]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Other Redemption spoilers ...

In the comic it is revealed that the body is so badly "blown all to hell" that it was hard to tell if Shepard was a male or female. 

Also, the deal the Shadow Broker made w/ the Collectors may not have been w/ the Collectors.  In one scene, it's pretty clear that Harbinger (through the main collector) is talking to the SB. Harbinger later assumes control of another collector, though he doesn't say actually say that.   So, if the SB is all he says he is, then he probably knows who he is really dealing with.  In an earlier issue, the SB speaks of the compensation for collecting Shepard's body was well worth it, leading me to suspect that the SB may be pulling a Saren and has made a deal w/ the Reapers in exchange for being left alive.  That's pure speculation, though.

Well technically every deal made with the collectors is a deal with the reapers,also I doubt the SB really knows the truth and I doubt Harbinger is stupid enough to reveal himself so easily.
As for compensation well the Collectors are known to pay quite large sums of credits or valuable technology for the things they want,also if were talking about Saren I wouldnt take his talk about making a deal with the reapers that seriously at that point he was just a puppet

Modifié par Noxis6, 11 avril 2010 - 09:16 .

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yep, what was also interesting is that the Shadow Broker was talking to the Collector General face to face, in person, showing that he's at the Collector base, beyond the Omega 4 relay. To me, this shows that he's in pretty deep with the Collectors, and by proxy the Reapers. As I've said before, Liara is now in possession of this data cache that contains information about his deal with the Collectors, and possibly what he's doing with the Reapers. There may be more to Liara's hunt that meets the eye, if she is indeed hunting to end the Shadow Broker because he is now aiding the Reapers, then it shows that she is still aware of the bigger picture regarding the Reaper plot. We need to give her a little more credit, I feel.

Personally I see no real reason to shove the reapers into this story arc,oh well does it really say the general and him are talking at the collector base,since I'm fairly sure the general can move out of it and I have my doubts someone as reclusive as the SB sees anyone in person.
As for what data Liara posseses I guess thats speculation,but wouldnt Cerberus want to have it and if it was that vital we can again ask the question why doesnt the SB kill her right away he has enough ressources,I would suspect even Harbinger would act on something that threatens his plans although reapers seem to be full of themselves to see danger in this I guess

Also if there really was a connection Liara knows about why not tell Shepard or the player for that instance

Modifié par Noxis6, 11 avril 2010 - 09:27 .

[juxtaposedjoker]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yep, what was also interesting is that the Shadow Broker was talking to the Collector General face to face, in person, showing that he's at the Collector base, beyond the Omega 4 relay. To me, this shows that he's in pretty deep with the Collectors, and by proxy the Reapers. As I've said before, Liara is now in possession of this data cache that contains information about his deal with the Collectors, and possibly what he's doing with the Reapers. There may be more to Liara's hunt that meets the eye, if she is indeed hunting to end the Shadow Broker because he is now aiding the Reapers, then it shows that she is still aware of the bigger picture regarding the Reaper plot. We need to give her a little more credit, I feel.

Agreed.  I look forward to finding out about why she didn't share this cache with Shepard in ME2 and how/if this affected her choice not to join Shepards squad.

[Noxis6]

I dont know but I think the last thing this trilogy needs is more romances



Besides I'm positive that Feron is dead.at least of we go by logic

[wolf99000]

I just found the fan fiction after reading a few pages back last night reading Holding On to Let Go right now big thanks for that so far this story is great



I sure hope bioware notice all the fan fiction maybe they will not close the shepard story after the 3rd game

[wolf99000]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

For those of you questioning as to why Liara wouldn't inform Shepard that she's hunting the Shadow Broker due to him aiding the Reapers, have a little think about it. It's to protect Shepard. Liara knows that Shepard's current mission is extremely dangerous, and there's a distinct possibility he/she may be killed. Liara would neglect to inform Shepard that the SB is in deep with the Reapers, as she wouldn't want Shepard distracted from the Collector mission. If Shepard is distracted, then there's a greater chance that he/she could be killed, something Liara would obviously hope to avoid, and because she knows Shepard's current mission is extremely important, and needs Shepard's full dedication and attention. Liara revealing that the Shadow Broker is aiding the Reapers gives Shepard more to worry about, when he/she has enough on their plate already. Liara is trying to protect Shepard.

Also, the threat the Shadow Broker poses isn't quite as imminent as the threat of the Collectors. Liara is able to handle it by herself. As soon as Shepard has completed the Collector mission, and she makes a breakthrough in her hunt, she'll contact Shepard and reveal everything. It's an interesting theory, and quite heartwarming that Liara is willing to temporarily go alone in order to keep the person she loves safe.

I also think she was worried that the Shadow Broker could go after Shepard I mean if he was going to give the collectors his/her body who knows what he would do plus he has the resources from all we have seen

but I still think we are going have a mission in 3 or before maybe dlc where she gets in deep and we have to save liara then she can join up again

[wolf99000]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

You got yours already? tfaw still hasnt sent mine.

What exactly are your impressions then when Liara says to not bring back Shepard?

It's nothing like that, not at all. You have to read what Liara says in it's context. She's not telling Cerberus to not bring Shepard back, far from it. Take a look at the post I made near the top of this page, it'll explain it for you. Don't panic! Liara has always wanted Shepard back! She's just very guilty, sad and scared, that's all.

plus it ties in the with mass effect 2 her being worried about shepard being mad about what she did I think that line was put in there just for that reason to tie it together a bit more

also I have been wondering if we might find that the SB is liara's other parent or has some tie to her in the 3rd game not that she knows it now

Modifié par wolf99000, 11 avril 2010 - 09:48 .