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[Unata]

Pure PC user here, sorry can't advise

[Unata]

WOOT new page!

[Unata]

I want that face in my cabin picture frame ^

[Ulathar]

Unata wrote...

I want that face in my cabin picture frame ^

I'm gonna use a picture of the reunion or the Ilos scene for it, so it has both my Shepard and Liara in it:wub:

[Unata]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Unata wrote...

I want that face in my cabin picture frame ^

I'm gonna use a picture of the reunion or the Ilos scene for it, so it has both my Shepard and Liara in it:wub:

Would be pretty small then, not much room in the frame

[Ulathar]

Maybe, but I have to at least try :-)

[rvayda141]

The picture is a pretty important object for those loyal to the ME1 LI's, because, especially for liara, its the only thing we have that tells us shepard still cares about liara, despite his lack of emotion during their reunion. Perhaps if bioware did the same for liara, put a picture of shep on her desk if she was the ME1 romance, it would go along way to give us any small bit of recognition we crave that she still has feelings for shepard despite her sharp 180 personality wise

[Unata]

I dunno about using any Liara picture from me2, she just doesn't seem to be well in many ways, a saddness about her

[Unata]

rvayda141 wrote...

The picture is a pretty important object for those loyal to the ME1 LI's, because, especially for liara, its the only thing we have that tells us shepard still cares about liara, despite his lack of emotion during their reunion. Perhaps if bioware did the same for liara, put a picture of shep on her desk if she was the ME1 romance, it would go along way to give us any small bit of recognition we crave that she still has feelings for shepard despite her sharp 180 personality wise

I am REALLY curious as to what that other picture frame is for on the other desk...being as it is wider then tall maybe a group shot? you and your LI

[bjdbwea]

Sunnie22 wrote...

It's really irritating though that they don't have antialaising functional in the game engine. I hate jagged lines, especially when I am looking for stock material to capture...

There are ways for Nvidia and ATI cards to make it work. I can confirm that simply renaming the exe to UT3.exe allows you to force AA through ATI CCC.

It does amaze me that they still haven't found a way to provide this feature in-game. Makes the game look so much better, much more than ridiculous bloom or "movie" grain effects.

[Unata]

@Baal I see that LI's win over saving the galaxy pretty much, Wonder if BW is aware of the majority, you should put your Poll in other forum sections to generate a larger group tally, if you haven't already

[rvayda141]

Unata wrote...

rvayda141 wrote...

The picture is a pretty important object for those loyal to the ME1 LI's, because, especially for liara, its the only thing we have that tells us shepard still cares about liara, despite his lack of emotion during their reunion. Perhaps if bioware did the same for liara, put a picture of shep on her desk if she was the ME1 romance, it would go along way to give us any small bit of recognition we crave that she still has feelings for shepard despite her sharp 180 personality wise

I am REALLY curious as to what that other picture frame is for on the other desk...being as it is wider then tall maybe a group shot? you and your LI

I actually noticed that just the other day, and found myself wondering the same thing. The only reason we want some DLC for liara so bad is because we didnt get the option to confirm a relationship with liara. Ash/Kaiden had the email and discussing your feelings with kelly and joker wich at least was something for them. The shep/liara reunion had a kiss, but that ended up being worse than nothing when she turns and shakes her head. Even when she breaks down a little and says she couldnt let you go its still not direct enough to draw any satisfying conclusions.
We dont get the email from her most likely because we can pop into her office whenever we want, but frankly i'd rather have a heartfelt message from her than be able to talk to her any time and hear shes still obessed with the sb
BW could placate us with some small gesture from liara, perhaps something like her sending us a picture of her and shepard to fill that empty frame, a small concession to be sure, but better than nothing

[jlb524]

I do find it heartening that Liara always does well in fan-made LI polls.



She came in a close second to Garrus in the favorite FemShep LI poll and a not so close second, but still second, to Tali in this favorite MaleShep LI poll.



Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

[Unata]

rvayda141 wrote...

Unata wrote...

rvayda141 wrote...

The picture is a pretty important object for those loyal to the ME1 LI's, because, especially for liara, its the only thing we have that tells us shepard still cares about liara, despite his lack of emotion during their reunion. Perhaps if bioware did the same for liara, put a picture of shep on her desk if she was the ME1 romance, it would go along way to give us any small bit of recognition we crave that she still has feelings for shepard despite her sharp 180 personality wise

I am REALLY curious as to what that other picture frame is for on the other desk...being as it is wider then tall maybe a group shot? you and your LI

I actually noticed that just the other day, and found myself wondering the same thing. The only reason we want some DLC for liara so bad is because we didnt get the option to confirm a relationship with liara. Ash/Kaiden had the email and discussing your feelings with kelly and joker wich at least was something for them. The shep/liara reunion had a kiss, but that ended up being worse than nothing when she turns and shakes her head. Even when she breaks down a little and says she couldnt let you go its still not direct enough to draw any satisfying conclusions.
We dont get the email from her most likely because we can pop into her office whenever we want, but frankly i'd rather have a heartfelt message from her than be able to talk to her any time and hear shes still obessed with the sb
BW could placate us with some small gesture from liara, perhaps something like her sending us a picture of her and shepard to fill that empty frame, a small concession to be sure, but better than nothing

I agree 110%, doesn't matter how many times you talk to Liara, your still left with the wondering "Does she or does she not" ...ok gimme a daisy to pluck, would have just as much meaning as what the game gives you.

[Ulathar]

Unata wrote...

@Baal I see that LI's win over saving the galaxy pretty much, Wonder if BW is aware of the majority, you should put your Poll in other forum sections to generate a larger group tally, if you haven't already

I think it's awesome that LI's are winning and since I link to that poll in every one of my posts, I think it's fine so far. Maybe I'll create a thread about it to discuss it in the future, though.

[Yeled]

rvayda141 wrote...


The picture is a pretty important object for those loyal to the ME1 LI's, because, especially for liara, its the only thing we have that tells us shepard still cares about liara, despite his lack of emotion during their reunion.

-snip-

I actually noticed that just the other day, and found myself wondering the same thing. The only reason we want some DLC for liara so bad is because we didnt get the option to confirm a relationship with liara. Ash/Kaiden had the email and discussing your feelings with kelly and joker wich at least was something for them. The shep/liara reunion had a kiss, but that ended up being worse than nothing when she turns and shakes her head. Even when she breaks down a little and says she couldnt let you go its still not direct enough to draw any satisfying conclusions.
We dont get the email from her most likely because we can pop into her office whenever we want, but frankly i'd rather have a heartfelt message from her than be able to talk to her any time and hear shes still obessed with the sb

I think this is right.  The frustration doesn't come from the way Liara is acting (although that doesn't help).  The primary reason Liara fans are frustrated is because we weren't able to have Shep behave the way we wanted Shep to behave in order to draw out a more "on-topic" conversation.  Shep sits there, displaying no emotion unless you argue with Liara, while Liara obsesses about something that doesn't directly involve Shep anymore.

The reunion is so ambiguous from the stand point of both characters, and you're left wondering what the hell is going on.

[Unata]

jlb524 wrote...

I do find it heartening that Liara always does well in fan-made LI polls.

She came in a close second to Garrus in the favorite FemShep LI poll and a not so close second, but still second, to Tali in this favorite MaleShep LI poll.

Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

Several interviews imply that they are aware of the forums and listen as it were, I would venture to think that is why they put the appearance DLC in, Folks were really ticked that Garrus even after being loyal looked like hell, and Jack's could have been from ESRB stuff actually, may have just thrown Thane's in to offset the reason for the DLC to begin with

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

I didn't frequent the old forums, but I guess it wasn't much different then. And what good did it do for ME 2? The developers obviously couldn't care less, except for some reassuring posts before release so that everyone buys the game before learning what they did to their favourite characters.

[Unata]

bjdbwea wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

I didn't frequent the old forums, but I guess it wasn't much different then. And what good did it do for ME 2? The developers obviously couldn't care less, except for some reassuring posts before release so that everyone buys the game before learning what they did to their favourite characters.

I think they did all this ME1 LI damage stuff just to prevoke people into leaving their me1 LI's and get slammed in ME3 for it big time while those still loyal get awesomeness.....wishfull thinking?

[jlb524]

Yeled wrote...

The reunion is so ambiguous from the stand point of both characters, and you're left wondering what the hell is going on.

Yeah, I still don't know where Shep/Liara stand.  The email from Ash/Kaidan gives a sense of this, some closure on the 'rocky' part of the romance.  We get none of that from Liara.

[Unata]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

The reunion is so ambiguous from the stand point of both characters, and you're left wondering what the hell is going on.

Yeah, I still don't know where Shep/Liara stand.  The email from Ash/Kaidan gives a sense of this, some closure on the 'rocky' part of the romance.  We get none of that from Liara.

It amazes me that even with the graphics being somewhat better in ME2 I still will play ME1 much much more then me2 for the simple reason as not knowing where we stand... atleast in me1 you know  me2 leaves me

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

I didn't frequent the old forums, but I guess it wasn't much different then. And what good did it do for ME 2? The developers obviously couldn't care less, except for some reassuring posts before release so that everyone buys the game before learning what they did to their favourite characters.

I think part of ME2's problem is that BW wanted to start fresh to bring in new gamers and create ME2 as a stand alone experience from ME1.  The game and the story suffered horribly b/c of this but they did it anyway.  This meant all new characters and LIs.  Liara was also origionally to have a bigger role at the beginning of ME2 with Legion, but that got cut b/c it would be too confusing to 'new players'.  If they don't go this route of grabbing new players in ME3, I think the story will be much better and the old ME1 LIs should return to have a larger role, as they are all still popular and folks want to see their story finish.

I also like that, in spite of them practically removing Liara from the story in ME2 she's still popular, and she's only being beaten out in those polls by the only 2 ME characters that happened to be in both games.

[Yeled]

Unata wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Liara's dedicated social group also has a large, active fan-base. I just wonder if the devs pay attention to this kind of stuff?

I didn't frequent the old forums, but I guess it wasn't much different then. And what good did it do for ME 2? The developers obviously couldn't care less, except for some reassuring posts before release so that everyone buys the game before learning what they did to their favourite characters.

I think they did all this ME1 LI damage stuff just to prevoke people into leaving their me1 LI's and get slammed in ME3 for it big time while those still loyal get awesomeness.....wishfull thinking?

Probably.  I think they did the ME1 LI damage because they wanted to provoke people into leaving because they thought they were being extremely clever, and maybe didn't truly understand what it was that really immersed their fans in their universe or made them care about their character.  They hadn't done a true sequel in a while, and certainly not one that was set up as a trilogy.  And both ME2 and Dragon Age Awakenings suffer from much the same problem:  They removed the main character from all the relationships and trappings that players had spent hours and hours building up.  Is it a surprise that a certain section of their hardcore fanbase feels disconnected and disappointed, then?

If I were planning a trilogy I would use the second chapter to build up relationships, not tear them down.  What began in chapter 1 as a passionate relationship born out of trying times could have been made stronger and more intimate as it withstood the test of time or crumbled under new pressures and changing circumstances, depending on player decisions.  This is what we were truly hoping for, and what many of us spent two years waiting for.  Instead we had these relationships ripped away in the name of "players-will-be-rewarded-for-remaining-faithful" and "suicide-mission-so-any-squadmate-could-die" gimmicks.

Its such a wasted opportunity for some truly epic storytelling that was squandered for the sake of new players unfamiliar with the first installement and the path of least resistence when it came to implementing complicated decision matrices.

[Larask]

Unata wrote...

It amazes me that even with the graphics being somewhat better in ME2 I still will play ME1 much much more then me2 for the simple reason as not knowing where we stand... atleast in me1 you know  me2 leaves me

Well, ME is a lot more than graphics. One thing that I hate about ME2 (aside from the horrible LI reunion), is that we know almost everything that there is to know about the main plot by the time you get in the Normandy, while in ME1 there was always something new on each  world. The fact that you landed on Virmire or Feros etc.. w/o any idea of what was going to happen, was always cool. And the crew meeting after  each mission also held a great level of curiosity. To see the crew working together to figure out what was happening was way better than being told all the time by TIM.

What is there in ME2 to figure out? That you have to blow the collectors and who they were in the past. That's pretty much it....

[rvayda141]

I can understand Liara's change in personality, and even shepard's lack of emotion during the reunion. Liara was the only member of the crew from ME1 that really had no where else to go, and when shepard died and the normandy was destroyed she obviously didnt know what to do with herself and her new grief, because she obviously loves shepard whether you love her back or not. She gets wind of shepard's body and uses that as a way to try and find closure, but then cerberus tells her he might still live. After she gives them the body, shes left without any direction again, and chooses to focus her feelings on the SB, choosing to take anger over grief and he knowledge even if shepard does come back, he might hate her for giving her to cerberus

As for shepard, when s/he sees what liara has become, s/he probably blames his/herself for ow she became. Coupled with the fact that everyone tells shep s/he wont make it through the suicide mission, shepard probably doesnt want to try and open up to liara, because she obviously wouldnt be able to handle losing him again.

While this is all fine and good, being that ME is a video game and not a book. its harder to convey these emotions, and harder for us to read between the lines to see them when the scene is so sub-par, especially from what we would expect from bioware.

Short of reading so deep into the scene, something most are not inclined to do during a video game, we are left feeling severely disappointed at the lack of a spark between shepard and liara now and the apparent lack of anything to tell us there ever was one