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[jlb524]

JaylaClark wrote...

Good job, AND valid points.  Stubbs and les are probably overly optimistic, I'll admit... but then again I leapt into full-on Oghren happy-dance mode after one line from Kasumi, which I can't even see until at least Friday.  (I'm expecting to finalize my Hardcore achievement by about then for ME1 anyway...)  And why is it that I was so ecstatic?  Because I take that line as proof that they remember us.  (Whereas sc glass-quarter-emptied it into 'yeah, we're broken up'.  Coincidentally, sc seems to be the only one who has seen Redemption #4 with his or her own eyes to come up with such crushing fears and anxiety over the romance.  This includes me, as of last night.)

They do remember us!  I don't think Kasumi's use of past tense is problematic as she wouldn't know the exact details of the relationship, and using past tense makes more sense.  

I've seen the entirety of Redemption 4 and I don't see a hint of a Liara/Feron relationship.  The arm touch thing was platonic and she was just being a friend to him.    The reason for her vendetta is still a litle flat though.  I hope that LIara DLC would give us some more insights into the evil that is the SB and maybe even some data Shepard can use to take down the Collectors?  If a Shepard doesn't complete the DLC, then Liara can still be present with the data at the beginning of ME3 and just give Shepard a quick explanation on how she obtained it.

JaylaClark wrote...

I still have to say this, to be honest to myself -- the problem is that a) the designers have to maintain 'status-quo' in the ME1 romances, and  frak if I know what 'status-quo' is, and I really can't find anyone who can answer that reliably. 

I think when Enfants says 'status quo' he means that they must maintain the 'rockiness' of the 'troubled second act' to the Liara/Shepard relationship.

With any luck, they have noticed people like us squawking for clarification, as well as in the Ashley and Kaidan threads, but I have to agree that they need to accept that sublimating the story to the endgame mechanic pretty significantly karked up the flow of the trilogy, because we have three characters that we're pretty much told to be angry at, while not given a very good reason why nor a good reward for not being angry at them ... and everyone else except for Counselor Anderson, Udina, Joker and EDI can die, so why care?  (Though I'd also eliminate Miranda from that list -- some people have said that it's nearly impossible to kill her without killing Shepard -- and I'm also curious about Dr. Chakwas's survival rate compared to Shepard's.)  It's almost like the supposed expansion pack has to push forward the main story as much as the game itself failed to do.

You are right that the expansion has to push the story forward as ME2 really didn't, as far as the Reapers are concerned.  What do we find out about the Reapers?  Oh, they are now interested in humans and were using their goons, the Collectors, to grab some and study them and to make a big human Reaper.  Do we discover any way they could be defeated?  No.  Do we really know their true motivations?  No.  An expansion involving the SB could begin to answer these questions and to set the stage for ME3 where Shepard has to defeat the Reapers once and for all.  Unfortunately, right now, Shepard has no knowlege about the Reapers that could be used to defeat them....Shepard is going into ME3 blind unless an expansion pack fixes that.  Hopefully this will include Liara and even Ash/Kaidan. 

Still, I truly do believe we're getting Liara DLC, and that we'll have unique content, and hell, we'll even hopefully have a better performance from Ali now that she knows what she's supposed to go for.  (Though part of me thinks that what we like most about the scene is how she's only comfortable opening up into her old self... still, if she's smart, and is allowed TO be smart about it, she'll stick with the same delivery.)  As for the rest, well, what else can we do?

It seems Ali hinted at some work in the future on ME so...maybe we'll hear her soon!

[scmadsen]

Well Jayla, I'll explain it like this. Ok, so I know Liara can't come with Shepard because the writers didn't want her to. But as I've said, the game doesn't know it's a game, therefore, that's not a good enough reason, and they should have given us a solid reason. Drawing on the comic, we find that reason to be Feron, as Liara doesn't list Shepard as her reason, only in game, so, there is a conflict there. But, going on consistency we see Feron twice and Shepard once. Am I jumping to conclusions, maybe. But then again, Liara doesn't given up Feron and her hunt for the Shadow Broker to be with Shepard again. However she seems excited to see Shepard...then again she pulls away from the kiss and shakes her head. But we see her open up to Shepard and you can almost see that Liara loves Shepard and misses being together. That's not enough to pull her back to us though, so it would seem some connection to Feron is stronger. Maybe it is as simple as the writers just suck really bad.

[Sunnie]

Ug. Work finaly done. Headed home and time for another picture!

[jlb524]

There's this article, hinting at something from ME early next year.



I doubt it would be ME3 already (I freakin' hope not as that would be a rush job!!!). Expansion, perhaps? They did mention one was planned.

[Raanz]

Hey there Liara crew.

I was playing around with the free camera in ME1 and captured a couple of shots of Liara in Shep's cabin before Ilos. She's pretty exposed. Was wondering if you want, I can post just a link to them with NSFW if you are interested. If not, that's fine too. Just thought I would ask. No Shep in the shot, just her.

[jlb524]

Raanz wrote...

Hey there Liara crew.
I was playing around with the free camera in ME1 and captured a couple of shots of Liara in Shep's cabin before Ilos. She's pretty exposed. Was wondering if you want, I can post just a link to them with NSFW if you are interested. If not, that's fine too. Just thought I would ask. No Shep in the shot, just her.

Yeah, I have some of those shots too but was afraid to post them

Links to them should be fine.

Shepard looks like crap anyways and, for me, her head was turned completely around the back for most of the love scene.  Looked weird.    Did this happen with you?

[Fiannawolf]

*Swoops in*



She's not in any way shape or form Hitler!



*grumbles snarlfest*

[Raanz]

jlb524 wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Hey there Liara crew.
I was playing around with the free camera in ME1 and captured a couple of shots of Liara in Shep's cabin before Ilos. She's pretty exposed. Was wondering if you want, I can post just a link to them with NSFW if you are interested. If not, that's fine too. Just thought I would ask. No Shep in the shot, just her.

Yeah, I have some of those shots too but was afraid to post them

Links to them should be fine.

Shepard looks like crap anyways and, for me, her head was turned completely around the back for most of the love scene.  Looked weird.    Did this happen with you?

Hehe yeah funny you mention that.  I ran through it a couple of times to try and position the camera and get some tasteful shots and the part where she slides down Shep's leg, her head turned completely around like Linda Blair.

Here are the two links:  NSFW (although there are no hoohaws at all)
Liara 1
Liara 2

[jlb524]

Fiannawolf wrote...

*Swoops in*

She's not in any way shape or form Hitler!

*grumbles snarlfest*

Como?

@Raanz

Thanks for the pics!  :wub:

Modifié par jlb524, 14 avril 2010 - 01:41 .

[Sakhalin]

Raanz wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Hey there Liara crew.
I was playing around with the free camera in ME1 and captured a couple of shots of Liara in Shep's cabin before Ilos. She's pretty exposed. Was wondering if you want, I can post just a link to them with NSFW if you are interested. If not, that's fine too. Just thought I would ask. No Shep in the shot, just her.

Yeah, I have some of those shots too but was afraid to post them

Links to them should be fine.

Shepard looks like crap anyways and, for me, her head was turned completely around the back for most of the love scene.  Looked weird.    Did this happen with you?

Hehe yeah funny you mention that.  I ran through it a couple of times to try and position the camera and get some tasteful shots and the part where she slides down Shep's leg, her head turned completely around like Linda Blair.

Here are the two links:  NSFW (although there are no hoohaws at all)
Liara 1
Liara 2

Thanks, interesting to see Liara in that angle. <3

[Fiannawolf]

@jib



Some fans in the garrus thread arent being too noble at the moment.

[bergerrz]

Thx Raanz They really went to sum detail there.

[wolf99000]

jlb524 wrote...

There's this article, hinting at something from ME early next year.

I doubt it would be ME3 already (I freakin' hope not as that would be a rush job!!!). Expansion, perhaps? They did mention one was planned.

could be a ps3 release of the games as there have been fan rumours on that or maybe the 360 is coming to an end and the new console is coming so they have to have me 3 out early to have all 3 games on the 360

[scmadsen]

My random thought of the day. I wonder if we can get Liara or Ash/Kai for that matter, back and on the Normandy, and we flirted with Kelly, if we can have both. As in, we'd be able to call up Kelly while having Liara living in our cabin. Be fun to watch Kelly dancing for Shepard and Liara. Oh, I can see the outcry of the ME2 LI fans now. hehe

[JamieCOTC]

scmadsen wrote...

My random thought of the day. I wonder if we can get Liara or Ash/Kai for that matter, back and on the Normandy, and we flirted with Kelly, if we can have both. As in, we'd be able to call up Kelly while having Liara living in our cabin. Be fun to watch Kelly dancing for Shepard and Liara. Oh, I can see the outcry of the ME2 LI fans now. hehe

"They say Asari are open to that sort of thing, ma'am." 

[jlb524]

Fiannawolf wrote...

@jib

Some fans in the garrus thread arent being too noble at the moment.

I know...hopefully they won't bring that crap here.

[jlb524]

scmadsen wrote...

My random thought of the day. I wonder if we can get Liara or Ash/Kai for that matter, back and on the Normandy, and we flirted with Kelly, if we can have both. As in, we'd be able to call up Kelly while having Liara living in our cabin. Be fun to watch Kelly dancing for Shepard and Liara. Oh, I can see the outcry of the ME2 LI fans now. hehe

Maybe Liara, but I don't think Ashley or Kaidan would be up for that. 

I don't flirt with Kelly on my Liara romanced saves so I don't know what's going to happen with it.

wolf99000 wrote...

could be a ps3 release of the games as
there have been fan rumours on that or maybe the 360 is coming to an end
and the new console is coming so they have to have me 3 out early to
have all 3 games on the 360

I have
not heard that.  I could care less as I play the PC version. 
That would suck though if they have to do a console import to the
ps3...should take time away from ME3/DLC development.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 avril 2010 - 01:58 .

[JaylaClark]

scmadsen wrote...

Well Jayla, I'll explain it like this. Ok, so I know Liara can't come with Shepard because the writers didn't want her to. But as I've said, the game doesn't know it's a game, therefore, that's not a good enough reason, and they should have given us a solid reason. Drawing on the comic, we find that reason to be Feron, as Liara doesn't list Shepard as her reason, only in game, so, there is a conflict there. But, going on consistency we see Feron twice and Shepard once. Am I jumping to conclusions, maybe. But then again, Liara doesn't given up Feron and her hunt for the Shadow Broker to be with Shepard again. However she seems excited to see Shepard...then again she pulls away from the kiss and shakes her head. But we see her open up to Shepard and you can almost see that Liara loves Shepard and misses being together. That's not enough to pull her back to us though, so it would seem some connection to Feron is stronger. Maybe it is as simple as the writers just suck really bad.

I keep saying it, there's more supporting a Tali/Kal relationship, it's in the game, and as far as I know it's even present in games that Tali ends up with maleShep.

And let's get one of the scenes transcribed again, now that I have the chance:

Miranda (with -- eerily -- the same expression she wears in most of the game):  "I just wish I had better news for you -- we may not be able to restore Shepard at all.  The body is in worse shape than we expected.  There were some preservation systems in the pod, but they were hardly optimal."

Liara (with what to me looks like a dazed look -- then again this is subjective):  "Then I don't see the point, Miranda.  Maybe I don't know what human traditions are -- (bubble break) but I really think you should let the dead rest.  This isn't what I brought Shepard back for.  This is almost like -- like --"

Emphasis added by myself.  So she brought back Shepard for something, but not for being reconstructed entirely from scratch.  I see this as a worry that Cerberus will build something that just looks like Shepard but isn't him/her at all.  This, to me, turns the head-shake into an admittedly clumsy way of showing her concern -- she jumps up and kisses what looks like her love returned and backs away when her fear kicks in.

Tell you the truth, the fact that this doesn't fit very well actually supports the line I underlined in your post.  I'm getting the odd feeling that they might've put that animation in there before they even knew what it would symbolize.  (I've seen this kind of writing before ... but mainly in pro wrestling and Battlestar Galactica.)

[Ray Joel Oh]

jlb524 wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

@jib

Some
fans in the garrus thread arent being too noble at the moment.

I know...hopefully they won't bring that crap here.

It was all me. I was being snarky and I didn't mean for anybody to actually get offended. I'm sorry. Anyone can PM me if you want to discuss this further.

And I like all the characters. 

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 14 avril 2010 - 02:10 .

[scmadsen]

I have one save where I flirted with Kelly and one where I didn't. My "main" didn't sleep with the Consort and didn't flirt with Kelly, and stayed faithful to Liara. I'm never going to get the romance achievement for ME2, unless they let us fix the relationship with Liara and reward the achievement for it.

[JaylaClark]

scmadsen wrote...

My random thought of the day. I wonder if we can get Liara or Ash/Kai for that matter, back and on the Normandy, and we flirted with Kelly, if we can have both. As in, we'd be able to call up Kelly while having Liara living in our cabin. Be fun to watch Kelly dancing for Shepard and Liara. Oh, I can see the outcry of the ME2 LI fans now. hehe

Why do I think that's awesome?  Someone tell me ... okay, I'm sure Stubbs would tell me one thing but still...

[jlb524]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

@jib

Some
fans in the garrus thread arent being too noble at the moment.

I know...hopefully they won't bring that crap here.

It was all me. I was being snarky and I didn't mean for anybody to actually get offended. I'm sorry. PM me if you want to discuss this further.

Nope.  Just keep it out of this thread.