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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Aren't Mythic and Bioware working together now?  Mythic is such a terrible joke, lmao.  They charged all their MMORPG players accounts like dozens of times, racking up $2000 worth of charges to one person within minutes and sending some folks into major overdraft. Also Warhammer is awful.  Bioware had better maintain a quarantine or become as terrible as them....

I had a friend that this happened to. He was charged 9 times in one month. Man he was pissed. I avoid Warhammer online like the plague after hearing that.

I don't play MMORPGS, and probably never will.  The last time I did something near to that was playing MUDs, which probably everyone here is too young to remember.  Just think text based online RPGS (type north to move north, lol).  With that said, I hope SWTOR works out for Bioware.  Every MMORPG starts out strong but has a 40-60 percent drop off in a month and then they all go back to WoW.  That may have to do with most of them being terrible, so hopefully Bioware can pull it off.

Just steer clear of Mythic.  I have a feeling if they keep messing up EA may send them the way of Bullfrog and Origin...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 15 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[Sunnie]

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[bjdbwea]

Have you seen what happened at Infinity? I have no interest in their games, just read the news. But I almost wonder if one should hope that some brave people leave BioWare/EA and try to make games like they used to. Though it's unlikely that anyone would take such drastic steps today out of idealistic motives.

[Noxis6]

jlb524 wrote...
Since she's the lead gameplay designer, this new functionality definitely has something to do with that.  It sounds like it's more than just a new gun so this could be promising.  I do hope this new game play functionality is being added to DLC involving Liara and the SB!

Dont forget devs always like to talk big and the entry is vague enough so that it could be everything from a new gun to something like the bar in Kasumis cabin,also I dont know what gameplay functionality a potential Liara DLC should add aside from being some sort of escort mission were you escort an AI controlled Liara through the SBs base,imagining that kind of gives me nightmares considering the squad AI plus the fact that I hate escort missions

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bjdbwea wrote...

Have you seen what happened at Infinity? I have no interest in their games, just read the news. But I almost wonder if one should hope that some brave people leave BioWare/EA and try to make games like they used to. Though it's unlikely that anyone would take such drastic steps today out of idealistic motives.

The funny thing is EA is looking like the good guy these days.  Activision is becoming a twisted wreck of a company and will probably churn out 15 sequels to Call of Duty within a year, including a kid-friendly version for the Wii.

I just hope EA keeps its paws off Bioware, or else we are going to see "Tali Fun Time Puzzle Game" and "Resident Evil: Husks Edition" real soon.  For the Japanese market we may get h-games involving our favorite ME characters...the humanity...the humanity

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justinnstuff wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Have you seen what happened at Infinity? I have no interest in their games, just read the news. But I almost wonder if one should hope that some brave people leave BioWare/EA and try to make games like they used to. Though it's unlikely that anyone would take such drastic steps today out of idealistic motives.

No, I didn't see what happened to Infinity. What happened?

They sacked most of the original founders because they didn't want to churn out garbage sequels at the rate Activision wanted them to.

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Noxis6 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Since she's the lead gameplay designer, this new functionality definitely has something to do with that.  It sounds like it's more than just a new gun so this could be promising.  I do hope this new game play functionality is being added to DLC involving Liara and the SB!

Dont forget devs always like to talk big and the entry is vague enough so that it could be everything from a new gun to something like the bar in Kasumis cabin,also I dont know what gameplay functionality a potential Liara DLC should add aside from being some sort of escort mission were you escort an AI controlled Liara through the SBs base,imagining that kind of gives me nightmares considering the squad AI plus the fact that I hate escort missions

Actually that makes sense.  I had always thought how Liara would be integrated into the game, but then again it would seemingly be easier to have her be a temporary squad mate than try to make a whole new "escort" system. I imagine for ME 3, if there are going to be big big battles, they will eventually do something like what they did for the DA final battle with multiple armies to summon.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 15 avril 2010 - 04:01 .

[screwoffreg]

justinnstuff wrote...

Oh wow... this is a sad day indeed...

Well, I hope EA doesn't go that route with BioWare, because there's only a few good gaming companies left in the industry...

Well, so far there haven't been any REAL bad signs.  I know people say Bioware got spooked with the romance scenes and controversial stuff like girls holding hands, but I think that may have been an internal decision rather than big bad EA riding them.  Remember EA has no problem with inappropriate content, so long as it sells game. Hell, they'd probably throw in more girl on girl if someone showed them a PowerPoint it would increase sales 200 percent...

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...
Actually that makes sense.  I had always thought how Liara would be integrated into the game, but then again it would seemingly be easier to have her be a temporary squad mate than try to make a whole new "escort" system. I imagine for ME 3, if there are going to be big big battles, they will eventually do something like what they did for the DA final battle with multiple armies to summon.

Well the easiest way is to make something up like she brings along her thugs for the attack and assaults the SBs base from a different direction,this way you dont see anything and just hear com chatter kind of like the fire team leader during the suicide mission,until you get the final scene with the SB
On a sidenote I still wonder if the SB will just get gunned down or survive till ME3

[screwoffreg]

Noxis6 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
Actually that makes sense.  I had always thought how Liara would be integrated into the game, but then again it would seemingly be easier to have her be a temporary squad mate than try to make a whole new "escort" system. I imagine for ME 3, if there are going to be big big battles, they will eventually do something like what they did for the DA final battle with multiple armies to summon.

Well the easiest way is to make something up like she brings along her thugs for the attack and assaults the SBs base from a different direction,this way you dont see anything and just hear com chatter kind of like the fire team leader during the suicide mission,until you get the final scene with the SB
On a sidenote I still wonder if the SB will just get gunned down or survive till ME3

I always thought he/she/it could be a compelling character, but fact is BIoware has too many damn characters with the ME 2 squadmates and what not.  I am assuming he gets blown up in a dramatic fashion.

Liara with thugs?  Lmao.  I can imagine she has tattoos now of teardrops on her face, one for each kill.  Maybe even a tat across her back saying "Death before Dishonor - La Vida Loca". 

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...
I always thought he/she/it could be a compelling character, but fact is BIoware has too many damn characters with the ME 2 squadmates and what not.  I am assuming he gets blown up in a dramatic fashion.

Liara with thugs?  Lmao.  I can imagine she has tattoos now of teardrops on her face, one for each kill.  Maybe even a tat across her back saying "Death before Dishonor - La Vida Loca". 

Well Liara has thugs in her employ she says so herself,also seemingly people to carry out hits for her that what you find out if you pick the wrong target during her second quest so I guess the SB was a way to use them

I agree the SB is quite interesting,personally I would say him going down in a DLC would be kind of a waste,I always take in account that the SB is quite aware of Liaras goals so I figured he could leak the wrong adress so to speak,packed with a few suprises,that enforcer guy is still alive after all I figure.

Also I dont think Liara is into tattoos but I guess depending on what her role in ME3 is she might pick up chainsmocking:whistle:

[screwoffreg]

Noxis6 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
I always thought he/she/it could be a compelling character, but fact is BIoware has too many damn characters with the ME 2 squadmates and what not.  I am assuming he gets blown up in a dramatic fashion.

Liara with thugs?  Lmao.  I can imagine she has tattoos now of teardrops on her face, one for each kill.  Maybe even a tat across her back saying "Death before Dishonor - La Vida Loca". 

Well Liara has thugs in her employ she says so herself,also seemingly people to carry out hits for her that what you find out if you pick the wrong target during her second quest so I guess the SB was a way to use them

I agree the SB is quite interesting,personally I would say him going down in a DLC would be kind of a waste,I always take in account that the SB is quite aware of Liaras goals so I figured he could leak the wrong adress so to speak,packed with a few suprises,that enforcer guy is still alive after all I figure.

Also I dont think Liara is into tattoos but I guess depending on what her role in ME3 is she might pick up chainsmocking:whistle:

If they really do the Darth Vader route with her, I prefer my chain smoking from President Bartlett from the West Wing, sorry.  Illusive Man or bust.

[bjdbwea]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, so far there haven't been any REAL bad signs.  I know people say Bioware got spooked with the romance scenes and controversial stuff like girls holding hands, but I think that may have been an internal decision rather than big bad EA riding them.  Remember EA has no problem with inappropriate content, so long as it sells game. Hell, they'd probably throw in more girl on girl if someone showed them a PowerPoint it would increase sales 200 percent...

I don't know about that. An internal decision? By the people who always were the bravest when it came to romances and stuff in games? Who not so long ago were repeatedly boasting about it? I don't see it. But remember EA owns BioWare, you can't separate them anyway. Whether it was the head people at BioWare or EA, I think there's no explanation other than that someone decided to do away with the "inappropriate" content. 

And especially EA is concerned with the bigger picture, which is their image. So unfair or not, they try to avoid a repeat of such a media campaign. Plus, they have different plans with different IPs. It seems they are trying to move the ME franchise more into the direction of young(er) gamers, unfortunately. Even though that audience would probably not mind romances , it's a question of ratings and avoiding trouble with parents and pressure groups.

That said, the romance angle is only one of my many complaints with the game, not even the most important one. Dumbing down the game and rushing it out of the door (which is another explanation for the shallow romances) is another thing that an independent developer might be able to avoid. At least one as renowned as BioWare always could, and in the end for all we know it was always still enough to make profit.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 avril 2010 - 04:35 .

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...
If they really do the Darth Vader route with her, I prefer my chain smoking from President Bartlett from the West Wing, sorry.  Illusive Man or bust.

Well it is possible that she turns into Darth Liara there is certainly a pattern for that there though I would prefer if doesnt happen,but again with Mac Walters as her writer and taking into account that for those who started with ME2 shes just the revenge obsessed nutty asari chick from Illium,its quite a huge chance.

Personally I still hope for a squadmate role in the end those are always the ones that get the most content,a TIM like is just unnecessary since I feel there are enough characters already to take that kind of role for ME3 TIM himself being one of them unless of course he died of lungcancer

[screwoffreg]

bjdbwea wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, so far there haven't been any REAL bad signs.  I know people say Bioware got spooked with the romance scenes and controversial stuff like girls holding hands, but I think that may have been an internal decision rather than big bad EA riding them.  Remember EA has no problem with inappropriate content, so long as it sells game. Hell, they'd probably throw in more girl on girl if someone showed them a PowerPoint it would increase sales 200 percent...

I don't know about that. An internal decision? By the people who always were the bravest when it came to romances and stuff in games? Who not so long ago were repeatedly boasting about it? I don't see it. But remember EA owns BioWare, you can't separate them anyway. Whether it was the head people at BioWare or EA, I think there's no explanation than that someone decided to do away with the "inappropriate" content. 

And especially EA is concerned with the bigger picture, which is their image. So unfair or not, they try to avoid a repeat of such a media campaign. Plus, they have different plans with different IPs. It seems they are trying to move the ME franchise more into the direction of young(er) gamers, unfortunately. Even though that audience would probably not mind romances , it's a question of ratings and avoiding trouble with parents and pressure groups.

That said, the romance angle is only one of my many complaints with the game, not even the most important one. Dumbing down the game and rushing it out of the door (which is another explanation for the shallow romances) is another thing that an independent developer might be able to avoid. At least one as renowned as BioWare always could, and in the end for all we know it was always still enough to make profit.

I don't know if its for a younger audience necessarily, as the video gamer demographic is aging.  I think there is a large number of gamers in the thirties and perhaps fourties now.  Its only  a matter of time before it spreads to all age groups as the SNES generation (mine) grows older.  Hell, I know senior citizens who spent many of their days playing Everquest and Asherons Call!

I think it has more to do with targetting an FPS audience, which is where the big sales come from.  Bioware wanted a shooter-game and they got one with ME 2, simple as that.  They have RPG elements, but I think we have to deal with the fact that ME is a blow-em-up game with a few hugs and kisses thrown in.  DA is more the traditional swashbuckling, long dialogue RPG we are probably used to. 

As for the media campaign against Bioware, it was mostly one station and EA even put out a statement standing with the company.  The sex scenes in DA were just as suggestive and the Sims has full blown gay-interracial-child adopting romances as well, although more cartoony, I guess.

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Noxis6 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
If they really do the Darth Vader route with her, I prefer my chain smoking from President Bartlett from the West Wing, sorry.  Illusive Man or bust.

Well it is possible that she turns into Darth Liara there is certainly a pattern for that there though I would prefer if doesnt happen,but again with Mac Walters as her writer and taking into account that for those who started with ME2 shes just the revenge obsessed nutty asari chick from Illium,its quite a huge chance.

Personally I still hope for a squadmate role in the end those are always the ones that get the most content,a TIM like is just unnecessary since I feel there are enough characters already to take that kind of role for ME3 TIM himself being one of them unless of course he died of lungcancer

You don't hire Martin Sheen for a pop-in role.  That's like hiring Jeremy Irons for a voiceover and using him to say "Good Day Shepard!"  

Wait, thats a good idea.  We need Jeremy Iron's voice in this game.  Someone get me Bioware, stat!

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...
You don't hire Martin Sheen for a pop-in role.  That's like hiring Jeremy Irons for a voiceover and using him to say "Good Day Shepard!"  

Wait, thats a good idea.  We need Jeremy Iron's voice in this game.  Someone get me Bioware, stat!

As said there are enough people to fill TIMs role including himself so we dont need Liara,I think TIM will even help a paragon Shepard who blew up the base,since Shepard is the best bet when it comes to saving humanity

The only thing that could influence the role of TIM in ME3 is of course the novell and how their little experiment with Grayson plays out,personally I think it wont go that well but thats just me,the preview just sounds like failed Supersoldier experiment #2383455

[jlb524]

Well, at least they are working on DLC which is a good sign. I'm hoping this DLC will be more extensive than the Kasumi one, since it involves 'additional game functionality'. Of course, I'm hoping that it is DLC related to Liara and the SB. The story for this should be ready and the character/level designs so hopefully the ones that make the magic happen are starting to work on it as evidenced by that Norman tweet.

[screwoffreg]

Noxis6 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
You don't hire Martin Sheen for a pop-in role.  That's like hiring Jeremy Irons for a voiceover and using him to say "Good Day Shepard!"  

Wait, thats a good idea.  We need Jeremy Iron's voice in this game.  Someone get me Bioware, stat!

As said there are enough people to fill TIMs role including himself so we dont need Liara,I think TIM will even help a paragon Shepard who blew up the base,since Shepard is the best bet when it comes to saving humanity

The only thing that could influence the role of TIM in ME3 is of course the novell and how their little experiment with Grayson plays out,personally I think it wont go that well but thats just me,the preview just sounds like failed Supersoldier experiment #2383455

I was hoping there'd be a dramatic confrontation between the Illusive Man and Liara, but considering he didn't consider her important enough to meet, I doubt it.  Miranda doesn't even say anything to Liara either.  You'd think if you were romancing Miranda she'd at least mention something, or at least rub Liara's face in the fact that she told the asari to move on and now she stole her man.  Lawson seems the type to do that...

I would be interested to see how Liara reacts to giving the Base to TIM.  Then again, she probably wouldn't care as unlike DA, squad members are loyal to a fault.  They won't leave or really argue, even if Shepard says "kill the weak, eat the poor!"

Modifié par screwoffreg, 15 avril 2010 - 04:51 .

[bjdbwea]

Well, DA... as great as it is, it could have been much better as well. Remember it was in development long before EA became involved. But even so, their influence in the later stages is all too obvious. Awakening, now fully developed with EA in command, lacks any romance content. They even cut out some letters from the old LIs that were already written.

Whether that is EA policy for BioWare games from now on, remains to be seen. The reasons in the end don't matter, maybe they just think it's a waste of resources. ME 3 will make clear where they stand on this issue.

But as I said, the romances are only one of the major complaints I have with ME 2. You are correct, they are unfortunately targeting the shooter fans and casual gamers, which - besides saving development time - has to be the main reason for dumbing down this game so much. I can't blame them, as it's obviously a commercial success. It's just sad because they are (were?) the last developer to make proper games. At least to my definition of "proper".

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 avril 2010 - 04:55 .