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[jlb524]

This ones a bit smaller







It will fit better in the animated ones.

[Larask]

jlb524 wrote...

This ones a bit smaller



It will fit better in the animated ones.

Super awesome J!

[bergerrz]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I got so hammerd that day both me and shep.

[Sunnie]

New page needs a pic! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28016.gif

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

I would actually rather them not add Liara content. I mean, if they would actually do it good, sure, but im afraid she would be like the other 2 DLC squad members. I would much rather wait for ME3 to come out and they actually give her detail . She better be in ME3.

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

Nvm, double post.

Modifié par Dr.LiaraTsoni, 16 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[jlb524]

I like Liara's dress and her shoulder pad thingies.







And her backside.

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

jlb524 wrote...

I like Liara's dress and her shoulder pad thingies.

Lol, "shoulder pad thingies". And I think you'll find that everyone likes her backside.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

I like Liara's dress and her shoulder pad thingies.



And her backside.

Say what you will about Liara's role in ME2... one thing cannot be argued....

She fills out that dress very, very  well.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Say what you will about Liara's role in ME2... one thing cannot be argued....

She fills out that dress very, very well.

She needs to not be fillng that dress well the next time I see her.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 avril 2010 - 02:50 .

[jlb524]

justinnstuff wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Here's my sig...



What you think, yo?!?

Kick ass J, good job 

There's a smaller version at the top of the page if you want to add that to the fan club sig list as well.

[implodinggoat]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

*reads previous pages* Liara is evil now? Thats a gross oversimplification. Something I'd expect to hear one of her detractors or haters say. :/

What?  Who said that?

Hey!  Are you 'back' now?

It was me and I'll grant its an oversimplification; but it was an intended act of hyperbole.  Aside from Wrex, Liara is my favorite Mass Effect character, however that opinion is based entirely upon her personality in ME1, while her personality in ME2 has only served to diminish my fondness for her character.

In concept I think that making Liara more hardened was the right direction to take her character; but it was executed terribly.  I realize her appearance in the game is brief; but I still believe that the concept that she has become less innocent and naive could have been conveyed more subtly and that doing so would have fit her character far better than the radical and bizarre approach Bioware took.

For example having Liara break the law (by asking you to hack public terminals) in an attempt to get leads on the Shadowbroker is a suprisingly  renegade act for her character which effectively conveys that she has become more hardened and less idealistic; but still seems like the sort of act that a less innocent Liara might consider.  Yet that act of law breaking is easily the most minor of her more hardened acts and her other renegade actions don't convey an innocent archeologist who has become jaded by the world they convey a completely ruthless and uncaring character who's personality isn't merely an alteration of her character in ME1 its the invention of an entirely new character.

• When you first meet her she is quoting her psychotic mother and threatening to flay someone alive, not for the greater good; but simply because the guy didn't want to pay the bill she sent him. 
• Then, if you press her on it she even goes so far as asserting that her mother's ruthlessness was a commendable trait.
• When you ask her to help save the galaxy she prioritizes her own private vendetta over helping to save the lives of thousands of innocents.  
• Then she sends you off to illegally hack into public computer terminals for her as though you were just a damned errand boy, not her lover. 
• After that she asks you to illegally hack more public terminals so that she can order a hit on someone.
• When you tell her it was her secretary she promptly kills her without the slightest apprehension and makes no attempt to take her alive or ask for your help in doing so.  Which by the way is an incredibly stupid move for someone who's supposed to be an intelligence expert since she just killed an agent who likely had a great deal of very valuable information.
• When you ask her how the fight with her secretary went she reacts to killing a woman who she had worked closely with for months as though she had just swatted a fly.  

Now explain to me how any of those actions fit her character at all? 

I read the Redemption comic which handled her character rather well as opposed to what Bioware did in ME2 and there's nothing in there that comes anywhere close to explaining why she would undergo such a radical and highly unpleasant transformation or even why she would be so obsessed with saving  her former partner.   And I'm still baffled as to what the hell happened that could have made a benevolent, blue, nerdy chick into a far less competent psuedo Shadowbroker.

It seems as though the Bioware writers thought...

"Alright, we're making Liara's character more hardened and cynical; but the player's are clearly too stupid to grasp the change unless we make 90% of her dialogue pertain to breaking the law or some act of remorseless killing."

And the result is that player's are mystified as to what the hell happened to her character.  I can totally understand why Ashley/or Kaiden called me out on Horizon, in fact I can understand it a hell of a lot better than I can understand why Shepard, Joker, and Dr. Chakwas would regard Cerberus so lightly after the attrocities they witnessed in ME1.   Hell I can even rationalize the reactions of Shepard, Joker and Chakwas on the grounds of working for the greater good; but when Liara the single most virtuous character in ME1 is offered a chance to help protect the innocent along side her former Commander (and possibly lover) she turns it down in favor of a private Vendetta in the name of a man who she spent one mission fighting along side COMIC SPOILERS: and who spent the vast majority of that mission lying to her about the fact that he had been working for Cerberus the whole damned time. Granted he committed one act of heroism to help save her and Shepard's lives; but by the same token Shepard had already saved Liara's life twice, once from the Geth on Therum and again on the Citadel when Shepard saved the whole damned galaxy.END COMIC SPOILERS.

None of it makes any damned sense at all.

[JaylaClark]

justinnstuff wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

*reads previous pages* Liara is evil now? Thats a gross oversimplification. Something I'd expect to hear one of her detractors or haters say. :/

Who said that? Perhaps I missed some posts but I don't remember reading that anywhere 

Right above you.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted.

I personally didn't realize it was a newcomer to the thread, either.  Let's build screwofreg a new sig whether screw wants it or not .  (Oh, and I've got to narrow down whatever 'happy Liara is happy' image for my own self, and ... am I being too obsessive about figuring out a square that's a multiple of 146 pixels?  Probably.  Then again I'm not the talented one in my family...)

[bergerrz]

implodinggoat wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

*reads previous pages* Liara is evil now? Thats a gross oversimplification. Something I'd expect to hear one of her detractors or haters say. :/

What?  Who said that?

Hey!  Are you 'back' now?

It was me and I'll grant its an oversimplification; but it was an intended act of hyperbole.  Aside from Wrex, Liara is my favorite Mass Effect character, however that opinion is based entirely upon her personality in ME1, while her personality in ME2 has only served to diminish my fondness for her character.

In concept I think that making Liara more hardened was the right direction to take her character; but it was executed terribly.  I realize her appearance in the game is brief; but I still believe that the concept that she has become less innocent and naive could have been conveyed more subtly and that doing so would have fit her character far better than the radical and bizarre approach Bioware took.

For example having Liara break the law (by asking you to hack public terminals) in an attempt to get leads on the Shadowbroker is a suprisingly  renegade act for her character which effectively conveys that she has become more hardened and less idealistic; but still seems like the sort of act that a less innocent Liara might consider.  Yet that act of law breaking is easily the most minor of her more hardened acts and her other renegade actions don't convey an innocent archeologist who has become jaded by the world they convey a completely ruthless and uncaring character who's personality isn't merely an alteration of her character in ME1 its the invention of an entirely new character.

• When you first meet her she is quoting her psychotic mother and threatening to flay someone alive, not for the greater good; but simply because the guy didn't want to pay the bill she sent him. 
  
• Then, if you press her on it she even goes so far as asserting that her mother's ruthlessness was a commendable trait.
  
• When you ask her to help save the galaxy she prioritizes her own private vendetta over helping to save the lives of thousands of innocents.  
  
• Then she sends you off to illegally hack into public computer terminals for her as though you were just a damned errand boy, not her lover. 
  
• After that she asks you to illegally hack more public terminals so that she can order a hit on someone.
• When you tell her it was her secretary she promptly kills her without the slightest apprehension and makes no attempt to take her alive or ask for your help in doing so.  Which by the way is an incredibly stupid move for someone who's supposed to be an intelligence expert since she just killed an agent who likely had a great deal of very valuable information.
  
• When you ask her how the fight with her secretary went she reacts to killing a woman who she had worked closely with for months as though she had just swatted a fly.  

Now explain to me how any of those actions fit her character at all? 

I read the Redemption comic which handled her character rather well as opposed to what Bioware did in ME2 and there's nothing in there that comes anywhere close to explaining why she would undergo such a radical and highly unpleasant transformation or even why she would be so obsessed with saving  her former partner.   And I'm still baffled as to what the hell happened that could have made a benevolent, blue, nerdy chick into a far less competent psuedo Shadowbroker.

It seems as though the Bioware writers thought...

"Alright, we're making Liara's character more hardened and cynical; but the player's are clearly too stupid to grasp the change unless we make 90% of her dialogue pertain to breaking the law or some act of remorseless killing."

And the result is that player's are mystified as to what the hell happened to her character.  I can totally understand why Ashley/or Kaiden called me out on Horizon, in fact I can understand it a hell of a lot better than I can understand why Shepard, Joker, and Dr. Chakwas would regard Cerberus so lightly after the attrocities they witnessed in ME1.   Hell I can even rationalize the reactions of Shepard, Joker and Chakwas on the grounds of working for the greater good; but when Liara the single most virtuous character in ME1 is offered a chance to help protect the innocent along side her former Commander (and possibly lover) she turns it down in favor of a private Vendetta in the name of a man who she spent one mission fighting along side COMIC SPOILERS: and who spent the vast majority of that mission lying to her about the fact that he had been working for Cerberus the whole damned time. Granted he committed one act of heroism to help save her and Shepard's lives; but by the same token Shepard had already saved Liara's life twice, once from the Geth on Therum and again on the Citadel when Shepard saved the whole damned galaxy.END COMIC SPOILERS.

None of it makes any damned sense at all.

[*]Agreed