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[scmadsen]

I thought I'd post this one here again, since it has not been seen in awhile and I really think it's cute.

Modifié par scmadsen, 16 avril 2010 - 05:16 .

[JaylaClark]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I just finished a level 60 character... took Liara with me on every mission I could and talked to her every few minutes. Boy... if you take the hours and hours to do this, which I did, you will find out just how sharp and intelligent our little blue goddess is.

After that playthrough... saying she is naive is just plain stupid in my opinion. Hell... she says it right in the game. Until the Geth showed up, she never had problems with the pirates and mercenaries she ran into because of her biotics. Which more than likely translates into she has killed before... long before she meets Shepard.

I'm with scmadsen on this one... I think you are way off in your interpetation of Liara and what has happened. No offense though.

Agreed.  While I choose to not use squad-member dialogue to judge her moral standpoint (because she's the only one who gets consistent answers as far as I know; everyone else gets one-or-the-other depending on who's present), her dialogue otherwise is that of someone who knows how the galaxy works.  And in-game, my Vanguard Anya and she had a nice tag-team mindset with throwing people off of cliffs... she's not just a sweet Thessian flower, by any means.  I don't read her as someone who likes battle in general, but she has no qualms with killing people who are trying to kill her.

Oh, and I personally took that line of hers at the onset as "lovably cheesy" in a way.  Flay you alive.  With my mind.  My Shepard would giggle at that, and she's a Paragade of the full Paragon-quarter-Renegade persuasion.

[scmadsen]

My Shepard would have giggled at Liara for that, and then when Liara replied with a stare, would remark how cute Liara is when she's trying to be ruthless. ../../../uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27991.gif

Modifié par scmadsen, 16 avril 2010 - 05:20 .

[Sunnie]

scmadsen wrote...

I thought I'd post this one here again, since it has not been seen in awhile and I really think it's cute.

Liara trying on wigs! How adorable!

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

Haha, "I wonder what this "hair" stuff is like..."

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

Imagine a Femshep trying on tentacles O.o

[screwoffreg]

JaylaClark wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I just finished a level 60 character... took Liara with me on every mission I could and talked to her every few minutes. Boy... if you take the hours and hours to do this, which I did, you will find out just how sharp and intelligent our little blue goddess is.

After that playthrough... saying she is naive is just plain stupid in my opinion. Hell... she says it right in the game. Until the Geth showed up, she never had problems with the pirates and mercenaries she ran into because of her biotics. Which more than likely translates into she has killed before... long before she meets Shepard.

I'm with scmadsen on this one... I think you are way off in your interpetation of Liara and what has happened. No offense though.

Agreed.  While I choose to not use squad-member dialogue to judge her moral standpoint (because she's the only one who gets consistent answers as far as I know; everyone else gets one-or-the-other depending on who's present), her dialogue otherwise is that of someone who knows how the galaxy works.  And in-game, my Vanguard Anya and she had a nice tag-team mindset with throwing people off of cliffs... she's not just a sweet Thessian flower, by any means.  I don't read her as someone who likes battle in general, but she has no qualms with killing people who are trying to kill her.

Oh, and I personally took that line of hers at the onset as "lovably cheesy" in a way.  Flay you alive.  With my mind.  My Shepard would giggle at that, and she's a Paragade of the full Paragon-quarter-Renegade persuasion.

You may take issue with the word naive but to imply she was NOT crafted as the "innocent" romance option in ME 1 is really off the mark.  She was the privileged daughter of a powerful matriarch.  She grew up rich and knowing no want.  Even if she "killed" in self defense, its more along the lines of Elnora's "wow this is cool" rather than "oh my god I am fighting for survival".  

Up until ME 2, she was a fairly typical geek-girl concept.  Yeah, she can blow people up, but compare her to Wrex or Ashley and both of them are a tad bit more renegade than she ever puts on.  Ashley drops Wrex without a second thought in game if you mess up!

Whether or we agree on her perceived innocence, or whatever, the fact is it is absurd to believe she became one of the more prominent information brokers on Illium within two years.  Aria took what, over a CENTURY to gain prominence on Omega?  She also murdered her way to the top and fought bitter battles for control.  Liara walks in and takes over, all the while the Shadow Broker does nothing to really impede her, apparently.  The whole thing stinks of either conspiracy (on the SB's side) or plot holes big enough to sink a hundred Titanics.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 16 avril 2010 - 05:32 .

[Sunnie]

New pic!  Enjoy! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27991.gif She is absolutely glowing here! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27990.gif

[JamieCOTC]

Sunnie22 wrote...

New pic!  Enjoy! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27991.gif She is absolutely glowing here! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27990.gif

Great pic.  Love your sig, btw and feel the same way. 

[Nivenus]

Huh. The faux characters are appearing here as well. Well, Liara club might as well get in on the action.

[scmadsen]

screwoffreg wrote...

You may take issue with the word naive but to imply she was NOT crafted as the "innocent" romance option in ME 1 is really off the mark.  She was the privileged daughter of a powerful matriarch.  She grew up rich and knowing no want.  Even if she "killed" in self defense, its more along the lines of Elnora's "wow this is cool" rather than "oh my god I am fighting for survival".  

Up until ME 2, she was a fairly typical geek-girl concept.  Yeah, she can blow people up, but compare her to Wrex or Ashley and both of them are a tad bit more renegade than she ever puts on.  Ashley drops Wrex without a second thought in game if you mess up!

Whether or we agree on her perceived innocence, or whatever, the fact is it is absurd to believe she became one of the more prominent information brokers on Illium within two years.  Aria took what, over a CENTURY to gain prominence on Omega?  She also murdered her way to the top and fought bitter battles for control.  Liara walks in and takes over, all the while the Shadow Broker does nothing to really impede her, apparently.  The whole thing stinks of either conspiracy (on the SB's side) or plot holes big enough to sink a hundred Titanics.

Liara is innocent...in that...she seems to have never had a crush before, never been in love before, and is a virgin before Ilos. She is romantically and sexually innocent.

That doesn't make her morally innocent. She has killed lots of times, and finds it just part of the job. She herself implies she doesn't like it. Watch some of scenes when Liara goes into attack mode and flares up her biotics...she's a badass just like the rest of the squad.

It's fair to call her a geek, but not a nerd. Liara was never a nerd. But she is a geek. Geeks are, able to handle themselves, able to interact with other people, fun to be around, and enjoy silly things, but are intellectuals as well. Liara is cute and silly at times, she's smart as can be, she can deal with other people, and kill when she needs to. Nerds are smart but at the expense of personalty, and not a joy to be around, they also are clumsy and unable handle themselves.

Liara grew up the daughter of someone very powerful. People know who her mother was and they know she was with Shepard. There was long time there, when people didn't know Shepard was dead, atleast not the public.

If Liara showed up on an Asari world, not only do people there know who her mother was...and we don't know if Liara inherited her mother's commandos and wealth or not, but it would seem so...but she would seem to be the right-hand/best friend or lover of a Specter, not just any Specter either, but Shepard, the Galactic Hero...you don't think that would threaten most people...she could bully her way into power if she wanted...with her mother's commandos to back her up.

The other way, is Liara simply sits down with her wealth, and being the genius she is, smartly went about dealing with the Shadow Broker agents, buying information and selling it to others for a profit...she does this enough and sooner or later she has her own little empire...do not forget that Liara is respected on Illium. What makes her this crime boss people say she is? Liara could be a little dirty, in that once an agent become useless to her, she killed it, and took over their network.

[Sunnie]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

New pic!  Enjoy! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27991.gif She is absolutely glowing here! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27990.gif

Great pic.  Love your sig, btw and feel the same way. 

Thanks Jamie! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28021.gif

[Sunnie]

Nivenus wrote...

Huh. The faux characters are appearing here as well. Well, Liara club might as well get in on the action.

 Why do I feel lost here?

[Nivenus]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Huh. The faux characters are appearing here as well. Well, Liara club might as well get in on the action.

 Why do I feel lost here?

Several BioWare characters (Liara, Shepard, Tali, Morrigan, Alistair, etc.) have shown up several times in the Tali thread.

This appears to be the same thing:

Liara T-Soni wrote...

It is difficult for me to talk about it, even now. I would prefer that you ask me questions relating to your mission, instead.

[scmadsen]

It's just someone trying to get attention. It's rather sad in fact.

[Sunnie]

Nivenus wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Huh. The faux characters are appearing here as well. Well, Liara club might as well get in on the action.

 Why do I feel lost here?

Several BioWare characters (Liara, Shepard, Tali, Morrigan, Alistair, etc.) have shown up several times in the Tali thread.

This appears to be the same thing:

Liara T-Soni wrote...

It is difficult for me to talk about it, even now. I would prefer that you ask me questions relating to your mission, instead.

Ah, I understand now. I just dont pay much attention to character impersonators I guess, or maybe I am also tired and need to go to bed /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28011.gif

[AndroLeonidas]

screwoffreg wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I just finished a level 60 character... took Liara with me on every mission I could and talked to her every few minutes. Boy... if you take the hours and hours to do this, which I did, you will find out just how sharp and intelligent our little blue goddess is.

After that playthrough... saying she is naive is just plain stupid in my opinion. Hell... she says it right in the game. Until the Geth showed up, she never had problems with the pirates and mercenaries she ran into because of her biotics. Which more than likely translates into she has killed before... long before she meets Shepard.

I'm with scmadsen on this one... I think you are way off in your interpetation of Liara and what has happened. No offense though.

Agreed.  While I choose to not use squad-member dialogue to judge her moral standpoint (because she's the only one who gets consistent answers as far as I know; everyone else gets one-or-the-other depending on who's present), her dialogue otherwise is that of someone who knows how the galaxy works.  And in-game, my Vanguard Anya and she had a nice tag-team mindset with throwing people off of cliffs... she's not just a sweet Thessian flower, by any means.  I don't read her as someone who likes battle in general, but she has no qualms with killing people who are trying to kill her.

Oh, and I personally took that line of hers at the onset as "lovably cheesy" in a way.  Flay you alive.  With my mind.  My Shepard would giggle at that, and she's a Paragade of the full Paragon-quarter-Renegade persuasion.

You may take issue with the word naive but to imply she was NOT crafted as the "innocent" romance option in ME 1 is really off the mark.  She was the privileged daughter of a powerful matriarch.  She grew up rich and knowing no want.  Even if she "killed" in self defense, its more along the lines of Elnora's "wow this is cool" rather than "oh my god I am fighting for survival".  

Up until ME 2, she was a fairly typical geek-girl concept.  Yeah, she can blow people up, but compare her to Wrex or Ashley and both of them are a tad bit more renegade than she ever puts on.  Ashley drops Wrex without a second thought in game if you mess up!

Whether or we agree on her perceived innocence, or whatever, the fact is it is absurd to believe she became one of the more prominent information brokers on Illium within two years.  Aria took what, over a CENTURY to gain prominence on Omega?  She also murdered her way to the top and fought bitter battles for control.  Liara walks in and takes over, all the while the Shadow Broker does nothing to really impede her, apparently.  The whole thing stinks of either conspiracy (on the SB's side) or plot holes big enough to sink a hundred Titanics.

I think Bioware wanted us to think that yes. However... how many people actually do what I did in my last playthrough to get her talking. As for being priviledged... she's a hundred and six and for the last 50 years at least she has been running around to dig sites around the galaxy. Avoiding that "priviledged" status like the plague. How do we know she grew up rich and knowing no want either? She basically admits she hated her childhood status and beat feet the first opportunity she got.

Ashly and Wrex are two different apples. You can't compare them to Liara in any way. Both of them have been fighting one enemy or another from basically birth. As Ashly says... it's in her blood.

Again I have to go with Scmadsen and you both on this one. People either know her as Shep's lover or a very close friend. That is going to buy her respect right from the get go. Using her other skills, why would it not be conceivable that she started out on Illum and built her rep in two years. On the other hand... if the SB really was after her... I tend to think she would be dead. I think he is playing her like a violin in order to keep tabs on her. Baiting her every once in a while to keep her interested. Remember this is Illum here. Shep walks in... takes out Nassana and basically lays waste to her buildings, and nothing happens to him. I take Illum with a grain of salt. To me... all it is... a very high class version of Omega. People smile before they kill you, wherein on Imega they just kill you.

[AndroLeonidas]

Bumping back to page one!!

[Noxis6]

scmadsen wrote...
Liara grew up the daughter of someone very powerful. People know who her mother was and they know she was with Shepard. There was long time there, when people didn't know Shepard was dead, atleast not the public.

If Liara showed up on an Asari world, not only do people there know who her mother was...and we don't know if Liara inherited her mother's commandos and wealth or not, but it would seem so...but she would seem to be the right-hand/best friend or lover of a Specter, not just any Specter either, but Shepard, the Galactic Hero...you don't think that would threaten most people...she could bully her way into power if she wanted...with her mother's commandos to back her up.

The other way, is Liara simply sits down with her wealth, and being the genius she is, smartly went about dealing with the Shadow Broker agents, buying information and selling it to others for a profit...she does this enough and sooner or later she has her own little empire...do not forget that Liara is respected on Illium. What makes her this crime boss people say she is? Liara could be a little dirty, in that once an agent become useless to her, she killed it, and took over their network.

I agree Benezia was a prominent figure among the asari,but Illium is not council space and is not really a pure asari world,its asari founded and dominated,but completely part of the Terminus systems,so how much they cared for asari or council politics is speculative
Also I believe they respect her on Illium for the criminal she is now not for what her mother was
As for what if anything Liara inherited from her mother we dont know the game lacks exposition there,also I dont believe you can inherit commandos,slavery may be legal on Illium,but not in council space,as for Shepard well at the point when Liara arrives at Illium Shepard is dead and thats no secret and she pissed off one of the biggest criminals of the galaxy big time,I dont know if I wanted to be friends with her and risk the SB coming after me too.
Which adresses one of the biggest holes in the whole plot the SB does nothing aside from sending a spy,in context how he dealt with Fist thats just unbelieveable

As for what makes Liara a prominent crimelord on Illium,well the actions you descripe,small things like bullying people into paying I guess its the same reason she has thugs in her employ,has people that take out hits for her.
You can try to justify it by saying the people she kills are bad or she stealing from them,but in the end stealing is still stealing and killing bad people is still murder unless they tried to kill you first,the only reason its presented in a better light is Illiums corrupt jurisdiction
All in all Liara is a criminal and Bioware made quite an effort to show that and it doesnt give me a good feeling for ME3,if you consider that the players who started with ME2 just see her as the revenge obssesed nutty asari from Illium

Modifié par Noxis6, 16 avril 2010 - 08:50 .

[vigna]

I just finally figured it out (take notes Mac). The comic takes place pretty much directly after  the Normandy blows up...a month after ME1. Liara hands over the body, and starts working towards becoming a powerful information broker. two years pass and TIM tells you Liara works for the SB--to keep you away from her I assume. TIM has his reasons from wanting to keep you away from Liara (this could be anything from love clouding your judgement to a myriad of possibilities).

Liara is becoming a broker that rivals the Shadow Broker. Surely she is doing this for herself, Shephard and Feron, but consider other reasons. Most young Asari spend their youth in reckless abandon, but not Liara. She has basically given up her maiden years. Why would she do this? Was her love for Shephard that powerful after a few months--certainly her guilt for Feron wasn't that strong?

Becoming an information broker of the caliber she has become will certainly put Liara on the path of Matriarch status. Becoming a Matriarch at such a young age, acruing so much power, wealth, etc ---why and for what purpose--just revenge? Now remember 2 years have passed since Liara turned over the body. Liara hardly acknowledges Shephard (and vice versa unfortunately). A slow kiss and then a turn away into a head shake...a "what am I doing" moment to be sure. Liara certainly knows the danger the Collectors pose, and she probably beleives shephard is the right person for the job to stop them. She doesn't want to cloud Shephard's judgement and can only help him so much. She can't show him / her the emotions she wants to.

Liara's mother is dead and her father is unknown to her. Liara is alone, and probably penniless to boot. Becoming an info broker grants her quick cash, she gets to stay out of fire fights, danger and is relatively guarded from violence.  Being a info broker grants her power and some status, and being part of the OG Normandy crew and beating the SB to Shep's body grants her a tough factor--even a fear factor that adds credibility to her capability as a broker. Now back to why...........and this rational leads credence to why she doesn't need to be a recruitable Squadmate in ME3 as well (much to our displeasure). Why did she really go this route with her life. Why the need for power, money, influence...how can she be so short with the one she loves? She is protecting something, and not just her heart.

She is protecting her...............child.
Yes, two years have passed. Her life as a broker lies behind firewalls of secrecy. She is guarded from harm by her own status from those seeking retribution. Her money, power and influence grant her stability. But she can also continue the fight for her guilt in a more harmless way--a way that doesn't put her in the line of fire directly. Shephard needs to do her/his thing, and Liara can't tell Shep. Shep might cease to be the Commander they are, the fighter they are if they know the truth.

So in ME3 if you cheated on Liara.....you, in a sense, also cheated on your child. A child that Liara protects and nurtures as a maiden on her way to Matriarch status. Liara can be short and to the point with Shep--she can put off love for a while. As she already loves and cares for the piece of Shephard she has....his/her child.

That's my new belief.

Modifié par vigna, 16 avril 2010 - 10:36 .

[Marcin K]

Sunnie22 wrote...

New pic!  Enjoy! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27991.gif She is absolutely glowing here! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27990.gif

ABSOLUTELY CLASIC AND ABSOLUTELY GREAT:wub::wub::wub: TO SEE UPON LOGON
also hi everyone:)

[Noxis6]

vigna wrote...

I just finally figured it out (take notes Mac). The comic takes place pretty much directly after  the Normandy blows up...a month after ME1. Liara hands over the body, and starts working towards becoming a powerful information broker. two years pass and TIM tells you Liara works for the SB--to keep you away from her I assume. TIM has his reasons from wanting to keep you away from Liara (this could be anything from love clouding your judgement to a myriad of possibilities).

Liara is becoming a broker that rivals the Shadow Broker. Surely she is doing this for herself, Shephard and Feron, but consider other reasons. Most young Asari spend their youth in reckless abandon, but not Liara. She has basically given up her maiden years. Why would she do this? Was her love for Shephard that powerful after a few months--certainly her guilt for Feron wasn't that strong?

Becoming an information broker of the caliber she has become will certainly put Liara on the path of Matriarch status. Becoming a Matriarch at such a young age, acruing so much power, wealth, etc ---why and for what purpose--just revenge? Now remember 2 years have passed since Liara turned over the body. Liara hardly acknowledges Shephard (and vice versa unfortunately). A slow kiss and then a turn away into a head shake...a "what am I doing" moment to be sure. Liara certainly knows the danger the Collectors pose, and she probably beleives shephard is the right person for the job to stop them. She doesn't want to cloud Shephard's judgement and can only help him so much. She can't show him / her the emotions she wants to.

Liara's mother is dead and her father is unknown to her. Liara is alone, and probably penniless to boot. Becoming an info broker grants her quick cash, she gets to stay out of fire fights, danger and is relatively guarded from violence.  Being a info broker grants her power and some status, and being part of the OG Normandy crew and beating the SB to Shep's body grants her a tough factor--even a fear factor that adds credibility to her capability as a broker. Now back to why...........and this rational leads credence to why she doesn't need to be a recruitable Squadmate in ME3 as well (much to our displeasure). Why did she really go this route with her life. Why the need for power, money, influence...how can she be so short with the one she loves? She is protecting something, and not just her heart.

She is protecting her...............child.
Yes, two years have passed. Her life as a broker lies behind firewalls of secrecy. She is guarded from harm by her own status from those seeking retribution. Her money, power and influence grant her stability. But she can also continue the fight for her guilt in a more harmless way--a way that doesn't put her in the line of fire directly. Shephard needs to do her/his thing, and Liara can't tell Shep. Shep might cease to be the Commander they are, the fighter they are if they know the truth.

So in ME3 if you cheated on Liara.....you, in a sense, also cheated on your child. A child that Liara protects and nurtures as a maiden on her way to Matriarch status. Liara can be short and to the point with Shep--she can put off love for a while. As she already loves and cares for the piece of Shephard she has....his/her child.

That's my new belief.

Well,first there is certainly a pattern of Liara becoming like the SB,whether Bioware really goes that way is quite up in the air as far as her power goes at the moment shes just a big crimelord on Illium,I would say the SB is a few numbers bigger then her.

On Matriarch I dont think thats how it works,since matriach is lifestage achieved at a certain age,not a title or status that can be claimed,we know Asari can trigger their matron stage earlier but if that can happen with matriach is unknown
Also I doubt Liara has no money,I would grant her that her mother left something behind and as said above I dont believe that messing with the SB gives her positive PR,since it was established that noone messes with him in ME1,his apathy regarding this is just a plothole big enough for the reaper fleet
Also her reputation as Shepards lover/good friend wont protect her since Shepard is dead for two years and thats no secret,s/he wont come for you if you touch Liara

And on the child theory well really that would all Shepards had to take her as LI,but Li or not I doubt she had Shepards child behind his/her back that would really feel like a betrayal and ****** of quite a few people,also I wonder if this was the way she was born,did Benezia go behind her partners back who knows
But if you cheated maybe she sends a hitsquad after you I have bets running concerning that issue:whistle: