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[bjdbwea]

scmadsen wrote...

I thought I'd post this one here again, since it has not been seen in awhile and I really think it's cute.

That's definitely in my top 5 of fan art pictures.

[Blansten]

Noxis6 wrote...

vigna wrote...

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Well,first there is certainly a pattern of Liara becoming like the SB,whether Bioware really goes that way is quite up in the air as far as her power goes at the moment shes just a big crimelord on Illium,I would say the SB is a few numbers bigger then her.

On Matriarch I dont think thats how it works,since matriach is lifestage achieved at a certain age,not a title or status that can be claimed,we know Asari can trigger their matron stage earlier but if that can happen with matriach is unknown
Also I doubt Liara has no money,I would grant her that her mother left something behind and as said above I dont believe that messing with the SB gives her positive PR,since it was established that noone messes with him in ME1,his apathy regarding this is just a plothole big enough for the reaper fleet
Also her reputation as Shepards lover/good friend wont protect her since Shepard is dead for two years and thats no secret,s/he wont come for you if you touch Liara

And on the child theory well really that would all Shepards had to take her as LI,but Li or not I doubt she had Shepards child behind his/her back that would really feel like a betrayal and ****** of quite a few people,also I wonder if this was the way she was born,did Benezia go behind her partners back who knows
But if you cheated maybe she sends a hitsquad after you I have bets running concerning that issue:whistle:

I seriously doubt that there is a child involved.I also think that painting Liara as that extreme of a villain is a serious exaggeration. People will read into the game whatever they want and that's fine but I just don't see where anyone could get the idea that Liara would harm Shepard ... meh to each their own I guess.

[Marcin K]

 Liara hidden pregnancy.... "oh yes..." "i thought we have dismissed that claim..."

[Noxis6]

Blansten wrote...
I seriously doubt that there is a child involved.I also think that painting Liara as that extreme of a villain is a serious exaggeration. People will read into the game whatever they want and that's fine but I just don't see where anyone could get the idea that Liara would harm Shepard ... meh to each their own I guess.

Well she is a criminal right now and seemingly quite ruthless at that,as to how far she would go well with Walters involved I guess I'm prepared for everything,even putting a bullet into her head,not that I would like to but with the set of writers Bioware has I wouldnt disclose that from happening,to further amp up on "darkness"

As for her sending a hitsquad after Shepard in case of cheating well that is just one of the bets placed,my own is actually very mild,I think the cheating will result in a few angry lines,maybe with a paragon/renegade option at the end and then go back to normal

[AndroLeonidas]

It says somewhere that the stages are not set in stone. Only a guideline depending on how often the Asari melds.



I too thought there could be a child involved and part of me still thinks there might be a chance. Who is to say that in the month or six weeks that we don't see after ME1 that Shepard and Liara didn;t decide to have a child? Now that only works for those who had Liara as LI I know so it kind of nixes that idea. Of course who is to say that Bioware isn't doing that exact thing for those who romanced her and something different for those that didn't. I know... a stretch... but stranger things have happened.



I wouldn't call her a criminal. Technically anyway. Aside from that one threat that we saw... and some silly hacking missions she commits to crime. She was not going to kill this Observer herself until she found out it was Nyxeris. And for all we know and saw that coul dhave been self defense. She's an Information Broker and they don't tend to get their own hands dirty. I see her situation as Les explained. She is doing something she hates but is good at to reach a certain goal. I certainly don't think she is doing this because she likes too. And I don't think she will continue once the SB is dealt with.



And given what she has done and what she says in the hidden dialogue... this woman in no way coul dever harm you. She still loves you to death. That much is obvious.

[Noxis6]

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I wouldn't call her a criminal. Technically anyway. Aside from that one threat that we saw... and some silly hacking missions she commits to crime. She was not going to kill this Observer herself until she found out it was Nyxeris. And for all we know and saw that coul dhave been self defense. She's an Information Broker and they don't tend to get their own hands dirty. I see her situation as Les explained. She is doing something she hates but is good at to reach a certain goal. I certainly don't think she is doing this because she likes too. And I don't think she will continue once the SB is dealt with.

And given what she has done and what she says in the hidden dialogue... this woman in no way coul dever harm you. She still loves you to death. That much is obvious.

Well you can argue Nyxeris was self defence,but the other five that was murder even if you dont pull the trigger yourself if you pay the hitman you still get charged for murder,granted those five targets were no saints although reading the data fragments on them I think,Nyxeris picked some of them because they had expired their use for the SB.
As for shes hating it maybe but this is just an interpretation based on a few very subtle changes in her voice,so I wouldnt count on the writers having the same plan,as things are now everything goes I guess
Bearing in mind how people that started with ME2 percieve her if they do at all things can even go more downhill in the worst case

If we go by logic she should be dead,or the SB should at least make his move on her now,that she is supposedly so close to him,the SB is quite a disapointing villian if he really just sits around in his base wating to get gunned down in case of a DLC or whatever

Modifié par Noxis6, 16 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[Marcin K]

hmmm whiy it is so silent here?

maybe pic will do:

[Eddie-Hawke]

Marcin R wrote...

hmmm whiy it is so silent here?
maybe pic will do:

Joking? Oh, by the goddess, how could I be so dense? You must think I am a complete and utter fool.

[vigna]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

It says somewhere that the stages are not set in stone. Only a guideline depending on how often the Asari melds.

I too thought there could be a child involved and part of me still thinks there might be a chance. Who is to say that in the month or six weeks that we don't see after ME1 that Shepard and Liara didn;t decide to have a child? Now that only works for those who had Liara as LI I know so it kind of nixes that idea. Of course who is to say that Bioware isn't doing that exact thing for those who romanced her and something different for those that didn't. I know... a stretch... but stranger things have happened.

I wouldn't call her a criminal. Technically anyway. Aside from that one threat that we saw... and some silly hacking missions she commits to crime. She was not going to kill this Observer herself until she found out it was Nyxeris. And for all we know and saw that coul dhave been self defense. She's an Information Broker and they don't tend to get their own hands dirty. I see her situation as Les explained. She is doing something she hates but is good at to reach a certain goal. I certainly don't think she is doing this because she likes too. And I don't think she will continue once the SB is dealt with.

And given what she has done and what she says in the hidden dialogue... this woman in no way coul dever harm you. She still loves you to death. That much is obvious.

Liara becoming an information broker isn't paragon, but it isn't necessarily "evil" either--maybe renegade. But, of course, she is doing it for positive reasons. Information brokering is a necessary part of teh ME universe for now. I'd rather have someone  like Liara doing it than the Shadow Broker.

That said, Liara should go back to prothean digs for my Shephard's sanity.

[ratzerman]

Hello, residents of my favorite thread on the internets. I'm in need of some motivation.....







That's better.

[jlb524]

I think Liara just went from Paragon to Renegade in the way she handles business. She's not evil now (Renegade =/= evil) and she may be a 'criminal' in the sense that she commits crimes (so does Shepard). I don't know if she was naive or innocent back in ME1, but she was definitely Paragon. Of course, Paragon =/= naive and innocent, though some might think it does.

[ratzerman]

vigna wrote...

That said, Liara should go back to prothean digs for my Shephard's sanity.

This............

For my Shepard's sanity........... not mine.............. nope, my sanity isn't in question...... I'm 100% in control.

[vigna]

ratzerman wrote...

vigna wrote...

That said, Liara should go back to prothean digs for my Shephard's sanity.

This............

For my Shepard's sanity........... not mine.............. nope, my sanity isn't in question...... I'm 100% in control.

"Assuming 100% Control!"

[Ulathar]

ratzerman wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite motivational in the internet

[Unata]

[piemanz]

Unata wrote...

Porbably my favorite pic of her.....She looks so sexy here

[Ulathar]

LET's back - yay



Liara's happy, too ;-)

[screwoffreg]

I think the fundamental problem with Liara's character is that her motivation for supposedly being vengeful is so thin and her rise so inexplicable, that it can give reason for  ANY number of theories and almost ANYTHING seems plausible. She could be a good girl trapped in a bad situation OR Bioware could conceivably take it to "I AM POWERMAD AND SIT UPON A THRONE OF SKULLS".

The fact there is no indication as to which is reality other than our supposition gives rise to the notion that either Bioware has some incrediblely well crafted explanation to reveal...or that they just needed to make her unattractive or else people would have never tried the new romances.

Whether or not it is "true", as canon in game, the fact that the general perception is that she is power mad and "bad" among I would say most players (look at the reactions outside this thread) indicates that was likely Bioware's goal. If Liara had run up to you and showered you in kisses and thrown a party in your honor, like the story of the Prodigal Son's return, then why would anyone be motivated to "try" Jack/Miranda/Tali/Garrus etc? It would have cut down on the reasons for being in a new romance. It also would have "confused" players who never did an ME 1 playthrough, as they would wonder who this weird woman is and why she is so nuts over you...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 16 avril 2010 - 03:30 .

[vigna]

Unata wrote...

Homina Homina  Homina 

[vigna]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think the fundamental problem with Liara's character is that her motivation for supposedly being vengeful is so thin and her rise so inexplicable, that it can give reason for  ANY number of theories and almost ANYTHING seems plausible. She could be a good girl trapped in a bad situation OR Bioware could conceivably take it to "I AM POWERMAD AND SIT UPON A THRONE OF SKULLS".

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Do people really think that? You know, instead of thinking for other reasons why she behaves the way she does?

I blame the dialogue tree myself. It majorly pissed me off my first play through that she had some "friend" she was helping out.

[Ulathar]

screwoffreg wrote...
Bioware could conceivably take it to "I AM POWERMAD AND SIT UPON A THRONE OF SKULLS".

THAT isn't, wasn't and will never be in Liara's character. She's totally different from that and it will (imo) never be plausilbe for her to get to a point where she thinks that way. BW would totally **** up should they develop her that way and they know it. It just isn't possible for Liara to think like that.