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[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dancing with Liara in Flux!

Her dance moves are hypnotic.

hell yess, they are. shame they made dance sequence so short......
EDIT:
glowing Liara pic time:D

Modifié par Marcin R, 17 avril 2010 - 02:23 .

[vigna]

Oh wow, I just walked to the other side of Liara's desk in her office on Ilium. Strangely, after our last conversation I found a holo-vid tablet that was interactable. It was weird....it showed a holo of me (Shephard obviously) when I played it, and the dialogue was:

"Liara, I'm usually one that speaks better with actions than words, but I have to say a few things that needed to be said...to clear the air I suppose (I guess you understand what clearing the air means).  I couldn't say much when I was surrounded by my comrades, my fiends. I should have met you alone, I know, but the truth is I was anxious and a little scared...of how two years had affected ...us.  Then you were going on about your "friend", and I kind of lost it-- a little jealousy creeped in, and I just wanted to get away. Then you had these things you needed me to do, so  I did them because it helped. When I'm busy I don't think about things so much....or deeply. "

cough*

"Then you told me you were the one that found my broken body. You told me you couldn't let me go....me. I'm just a grunt from a slum. Sure, everyone thinks all these crazy mythological things about me now, but I dunno. I still feel like that kid struggling to survive-- to find my way in life. I still remember like it was an instant ago when you told me you had never been so sure of anything in your life. Well, that was like a month ago for me. Liara, I've never been more sure of anything else either. But, when we parted you gave me some stupid credits, and went back to work on some crazy quest for vengeance. I was wondering....feeling guilty, I wondered if I did that. Did I do that to my beautiful , blue goddess. The woman I placed my faith and hope for the future on? "

Cough...cough*

" I think maybe I did. Maybe I changed you from the sweet, excitable, and noble girl of my dreams. Did  I Liara, did loving me hurt you that much? Do you love me still?  I have to do this thing for Cerberus now, Liara, but I need you to know that we have to talk. When this is over I'm coming back and I'm helping you, or snapping you out of it. I need to find out if what we had...what we have...can it be saved? I need to save it, and I need to hold on to it. I atleast need to find the truth...the whole truth. What happened over these two years? Can I ease your pain? Can you let me help? Do you love me enough still...to let me help? All I know is that I love you. I know I'm gonna go kick some Collector ass, and then I'm coming for you. Coming back home...you feel like home to me...where I belong. I love you Dr. T'Soni."

End vid....


It really shocked me when I saw and heard it....anyone else get this?




*Just joking, of course, ahhhhhh but what could and should have been ...it boggles the mind.

Modifié par vigna, 17 avril 2010 - 02:28 .

[DOYOURLABS]

Noxis6 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Its funny how people cant wrap their head around the concept of Liara being over a century old. There is no BS rationalising of a younger age that makes Shepard a "pedo", Liara is close to 4x Shepards age.

Yes, the asari treat other asari around that age as still young, but it doesnt change the fact that they are still physically and mentally as mature as any adult.

Liara has been on her own for decades and was better than all her older peers at her line of work. She clearly isnt anything close to a "teenager" in anything other than pathetic trolling attempts by dumbasses. Shes a mature adult, which is more than can be said for some.

Ah yes the infamous argument about Liaras age,I remember it was quite lets say "popular" on the old forums,I even recall a thread were someone claimed by using obscure mathematics that Liara was actually just 10 years old in human terms which is complete idiocy of course

Personally I would see Liara as in her early 20s,but in general I dont know if its wise trying to force the human life cycle on an alien species,since its well alien

I think the math was something like" Since asari live for 1000 years and humans live for 100, every hundred asari years would be 10 human years"

[Marcin K]

vigna wrote...

Oh wow, I just walked to the other side of Liara's desk in her office on Ilium. Strangely, after our last conversation I found a holo-vid tablet that was interactable. It was weird....it showed a holo of me (Shephard obviously) when I played it, and the dialogue was:

"Liara, I'm usually one that speaks better with actions than words, but I have to say a few things that needed to be said...to clear the air I suppose (I guess you understand what clearing the air means).  I couldn't say much when I was surrounded by my comrades, my fiends. I should have met you alone, I know, but the truth is I was anxious and a little scared...of how two years had affected ...us.  Then you were going on about your "friend", and I kind of lost it-- a little jealousy creeped in, and I just wanted to get away. Then you had these things you needed me to do, so  I did them because it helped. When I'm busy I don't think about things so much....or deeply. "

cough*

"Then you told me you were the one that found my broken body. You told me you couldn't let me go....me. I'm just a grunt from a slum. Sure, everyone thinks all these crazy mythological things about me now, but I dunno. I still feel like that kid struggling to survive-- to find my way in life. I still remember like it was an instant ago when you told me you had never been so sure of anything in your life. Well, that was like a month ago for me. Liara, I've never been more sure of anything else either. But, when we parted you gave me some stupid credits, and went back to work on some crazy quest for vengeance. I was wondering....feeling guilty, I wondered if I did that. Did I do that to my beautiful , blue goddess. The woman I placed my faith and hope for the future on? "

Cough...cough*

" I think maybe I did. Maybe I changed you from the sweet, excitable, and noble girl of my dreams. Did  I Liara, did loving me hurt you that much? Do you love me still?  I have to do this thing for Cerberus now, Liara, but I need you to know that we have to talk. When this is over I'm coming back and I'm helping you, or snapping you out of it. I need to find out if what we had...what we have...can it be saved? I need to save it, and I need to hold on to it. I atleast need to find the truth...the whole truth. What happened over these two years? Can I ease your pain? Can you let me help? Do you love me enough still...to let me help? All I know is that I love you. I know I'm gonna go kick some Collector ass, and then I'm coming for you. Coming back home...you feel like home to me...where I belong. I love you Dr. T'Soni."

End vid....


It really shocked me when I saw and heard it....anyone else get this?




*Just joking, of course, ahhhhhh but what could and should have been ...it boggles the mind.

hold on till LiLi DLC and all will be alright:)

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Noxis6 wrote...

Personally I would see Liara as in her early 20s,but in general I dont know if its wise trying to force the human life cycle on an alien species,since its well alien

That it right there.

I dont know if people realise this, but the entire point of aliens in science fiction is that, ya know, they arent human. Yes there are often similarities and whatnot, but from a cultural and biological point, there is just no comparison.

But to be honest, its such an easy trolling point to shoot down, I think were actually giving it far more attention than it deserves.

[vigna]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'm arguing with a guy about how he thinks all of the items listed on the "Why Liara Did All of Those Things for Shepard" picture are wrong or contribute nothing to our understanding of Liara, and that he thinks that Liara has moved on.

Truth be told..it has been two years. She may have moved on in her head....as she says just this in redemption 4. But, has she moved on in her heart? I doubt it highly.

[bjdbwea]

A letter from her would be such a simple thing, no voice recording required, but it would make a lot of a difference. They did write themselves into a corner by letting us visit her office at all time. It would of course be very odd if suddenly you receive a nice letter, but still can't say anything about it. At least it allows us to get some better screenshots.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I was really disgusted with the way they were trying to sell Liaras cameo at the end of redemption.



Miranda constantly making a point of "You go do something YOU want to do, and whatever you do, make sure it keeps you out of the events of the upcoming game when Shepard is alive again".



Theres no point in rationising Liaras cameo role.



I called it before the game was even out, its an excuse, nothing more. At best an excuse to save her for ME3, at worst an excuse to remove a key character from the rest of the trilogy so Bioware has less work to do.

[vigna]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

vigna wrote...


Truth be told..it has been two years. She may have moved on in her head....as she says just this in redemption 4. But, has she moved on in her heart? I doubt it highly.

We've discussed this before. It's easy to misunderstand just what Liara's saying in Redemption. She's actually expressing worry that due to the fact that Shepard's body is so badly damaged, Cerberus will revive her as some zombie monstrosity. It's also an example that Liara is lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, as she said she did in ME2. "I told myself I was doing it for you, for a chance to bring you back." Liara is lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard, not her own desire to see Shepard rebuilt. She's attempting to soothe her own guilty conscience.

Think about it. If Liara really did want Cerberus to leave Shepard alone, do you not think she would've attacked Miranda and those scientists, and ran away with Shepard herself? The fact that Liara still leaves Shepard to be worked on and to be revived speaks volumes.

Nah, what the comic was trying to convey was the start of Liara's guilt for handing over the body to Cerberus, for her own desire to see Shepard rebuilt and brought back to life. They just did it in an incredibly clumsy and badly scripted way.

Right, but I still think we agree her head and heart are at odds. I think we are just differening on the reasoning for it.

[Nightwriter]

yorkj86 wrote...

And here's the other version with slightly more information:

Then why did she pull away from me?   Why?!

It's the only thing I don't understand... she wouldn't even talk about it... even after I assurred her I didn't blame her or think she was selfish, Bioware wouldn't let me go back and discuss it with her...

Oh, and I've never read them, but I heard from a lot of people that her claiming Feron was her friend was inconsistent with the actual comics? That they really didn't give the impression Feron and her were friends at all?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nightwriter wrote...

Oh, and I've never read them, but I heard from a lot of people that her claiming Feron was her friend was inconsistent with the actual comics? That they really didn't give the impression Feron and her were friends at all?

She says she wants to kill him, but she isnt really serious.

They arent BFF or anything, but it clearly means a lot to her that ultimately the help Feron offers to save what little is left of Shepard was vital. It also affects her that he gets left to the mercy of the weird looking salarian thug and the shadow broker while she escapes with Shepards remains.

The only problem is, because of the nature of the **** cameo, shes almost taking a "one thing at a time approach". Its like "Sorry Shepard, I saved you, but now I have just got to continue this single minded crusade against the SB before we can actually display any kind of relationship again".

Thats why the hypothetical DLC is so important to some folks. They hope it will actually show "wait a minute, Liara CAN actually display her affection for Shepard AND care about saving Feron and stopping the SB. The two arent mutually exclusive. If anything the two should go hand in hand".

Sadly, like I said, making up an excuse to remove her was paramount. Not actually doing whats best for her character and the fans desire to see her in Mass Effect games.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think the term "friend" was used for convenience and simplicity's sake. What other term could they have Liara used without it sounding disjointed or odd?

i suppose it's just a cover up for "rocky part" of relationship and nothing more. 
it's like a hook to hang a story onto it , and it's looking awful they should know it. we know it

[WilliamShatner]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I was really disgusted with the way they were trying to sell Liaras cameo at the end of redemption.

Miranda constantly making a point of "You go do something YOU want to do, and whatever you do, make sure it keeps you out of the events of the upcoming game when Shepard is alive again".

Theres no point in rationising Liaras cameo role.

I called it before the game was even out, its an excuse, nothing more. At best an excuse to save her for ME3, at worst an excuse to remove a key character from the rest of the trilogy so Bioware has less work to do.

The Liara I know would continue investigating Reapers/Protheans to make sure Shepard didn't die in vain.

[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

How did ratz put it? "Perfection, thy name is Liara."
So true!

You mean...... this?

Modifié par ratzerman, 17 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[Ulathar]

ratzerman wrote...

:wub:

http://l-userpic.liv...69197013/565639