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[screwoffreg]

Liara is really Darth Vader, and at the end of ME 3 she throws the Emperor (Harbringer) into a vent but dies herself. I just found out the truth!!!! You heard it here first!

[Jax Sparrow]

I would rather Liara as a squadmate in ME2 Expansion... since the timeline would be after the suicide mission.

[MoSa09]

screwoffreg wrote...

Liara is really Darth Vader, and at the end of ME 3 she throws the Emperor (Harbringer) into a vent but dies herself. I just found out the truth!!!! You heard it here first!

That leaves me wondwering: who is Chewbacca? Grunt maybe, but not hairy enough. Who then?  Mordin is clearly Yoda on drugs. Or even better, he's C3PO. Garrus as Han Solo, and Tali as R2D2.

Now this is really gettin' out of hand, can some plz post a bunch of cute and lovely Liara pics?

[Driveninhifi]

screwoffreg wrote...

I am really skeptical about "shocking surprises". Outside of "the shadow broker is really SATAN" or the notorious Feron-affair, I am really racking my brain to see what could be so mind blowing that it would completely change the plot of ME 2 and 3. Considering most people will never read the comics, I think the story change will be minimal and will primarily effect Liara.

Maybe its something that sheds more light on dark energy? But it seems too early to mention that...

With that said, I am sure on the third someone will update the Mass Effect wiki entry for Redemption anyway, so we will know soon.

Really, to make Liara make more sense in ME2 it has to be something along the lines of the Shadow Broker working directly with the Collectors. Perhaps he gave the Collectors info/orchestrated the Normandy 1 being destroyed. Or he's giving the Collector's info on which human colonies to hit. I think something like that really needs to be there, because vengeance does not suit Liara's character well unless she's avenging Shepard.
I think guilt is a powerful motivator - but I also feel Liara is much more of a "quiet, icy determination" character than a "I must kill the Shadow Broker" character. Her conversation would have worked much better if they removed the violence. Feron isn't a good primary motivator since she can't have known him for very long. Shepard would explain it, but she also knows/hopes he/she is coming back...which really weakens that, in my opinion.

Also, one thing that still bothers me: why didn't the Shadow Broker kill Liara? He certainly attempts to have Fist killed in ME1, and what Liara did to him is much worse. Sure, Nyxeris is probably going to assassinate her, but why would the Shadow Broker wait? Liara is a dangerous enemy by herself (all of Shepard's crew are extremely dangerous, if you think about it) and if Shepard comes back, then the Shadow Broker has to deal with someone that's probably the most dangerous person in the galaxy. I can't imagine he'd take that risk - especially since he MUST know that Shepard and Liara are close friends, if not lovers. He's got to be attempting to kill her constantly and the game should have made that clear.
Also, why would he keep Feron alive for 2 years? There's no reason to interrogate him - he doesn't know anything (unless the SB thinks he has info on Cerberus - still, that doesn't take 2 years to figure out). Dude's got to be totally dead.

[Sphynx118]

Support where its due

[WilliamShatner]

Possible revelations:



#1) The Shadow Broker is Liara's father. Because you know, according to some people everyone is everyone's father in ME.

#2) Liara dies and the Liara in ME2 is a clone/robot.

#3) Liara finds out that Shepard is "the one" and the only way for the reapers to be defeated is Shepard dying.

#4) Liara had to kill a puppy and some kittens to save Shepard.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

To be honest I still worry every now and again the the plan come ME3 is still to basically have Liara "succeed" the Shadow Broker in some fashion, and that the really important role she is saved for in ME3 isnt a squadmate, but a slightly larger NPC role, and possibly another directional post duty.

[vigna]

If Liara sleeps with that frog I'm going to freaking go berzerk. Thane will pay many, many times just for being a Drell. If BW does that I think ...well, I don't know what I'll do. It won't be pretty though.

[Sakhalin]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow made Liara a villain. Like maybe being brainwashed by the Reapers and becomes Queen B**** of the Universe, similar to Sarah Kerrigan of Starcraft.

[Mox Ruuga]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

To be honest I still worry every now and again the the plan come ME3 is still to basically have Liara "succeed" the Shadow Broker in some fashion, and that the really important role she is saved for in ME3 isnt a squadmate, but a slightly larger NPC role, and possibly another directional post duty.

That's my best guess as to what her "important" role turns out to be, as well.

I think one of the devs said something to the direction that "people were too hung up on LIs being squaddies, and that it wouldn't necessarily be like that".

[vigna]

Now that I'm on subject it is the same reason I often hate (or atleast get angry at a lot) corporately owned characters to begin with. You can use about any example.....Lara Croft, Batman, James Bond (family owned), and etc.

The original creator and writer may have one path for a character pre-determined. With full personality, plot, direction, etc. But when the OG writer has to or willingly moves on the character is then left to the Company to take in any direction they wish. sometimes the Co. doesn't take a character that far away from their shown personality, but other times they do. It could be a cheap gimmick (death, make them edgy, get them married, kill their love, etc) or it could be something diametrically opposed to how the OG writer envisioned them and made them popular to begin with.



Only people that created the Character or share a similar vision of the character should work on a character that has become popular. Now, if 15 or 10 years down the road a character has become stale or the base has moved on I can sort of understand trying to make them "relevant" to a buying public, but after so short a time it irks me. If Drew or whoever really did envision this character development or change for Liara then I stand corrected, but it seems, at minimum, hacked out to provide cheap suspense or multi-media tie-in options.



This may be the original plot for Liara, but if it is it seems like in ME2 they dropped the ball with atleast doing that effectively. Rushed to say teh least...



Sorry for the rant...

[jlb524]

pixsures!!

[Raanz]

Grabbed a pic last night for the Liara folks (like myself)

[vigna]

I relent.....

[Driveninhifi]

Except it doesn't make much sense for her not to rejoin Shepard. She seems to want to go in ME2 but feels she cannot. (for reasons that aren't clear)

Making her the "new" Shadow Broker doesn't fit her character well at all. She'd definitely be good at piecing together information but I can't imagine her enjoying or being good at the business end of things. That's a major problem with her presentation in ME2 - she is explicitly described as someone with next to no people skills in ME1. People might respect her as she proves to be good at gathering info, and people would be wary of her because of her association with Shepard, but she is NOT a businesswoman.



What is her motivation for running the Shadow Broker's empire? It's probably too much for one person to do as it's huge. She's not described as a galactic info broker - most of her influence is on Ilium (though it's likely she has contacts outside of it). I can't see her staying behind while Shepard saves the galaxy, especially if she's the love interest.

[JPfanner]

Liara is a respected information broker on one planet and even that is only a cover for her focus on tracking down the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker has a galactic wide network with mercenary groups and star ships at his disposal. It's like comparing Nancy Drew to Interpol. Liara is just good at solving mysteries and following leads in pursuit of a goal.

There's really no need for yet another character to spout off plot related goals. EDI already holds your hand through most of ME2, and you've got Anderson/Council, TIM, Hackett, the Admiralty Board, Geth Collective and a whole slew of other people that can provide information to move the plot along.

Pursuing the Shadow Broker seems like something she was doing because it was more constructive than hiding on Ilos for two years trying to forget the guilt and fear she felt over giving Shepard to Cerberus. She was just trying to make the best of the situation during the wait, that even if Shepard came back some brainwashed zombie or hated her, that she could at least get some form of payback on the guy that tried to sell Shepard off.

As for the comics, I'm kind of wondering if the blurb for the last issue "With far-reaching repercussions for the Mass Effect saga, this tale of friendship and loyalty in the darkest corners of the galaxy closes with an issue sure to thrill fans new and old!" isn't just going to be this amazing reveal that Cerberus wants Shepard's body because they can bring Shepard back! Which sadly makes a lot of sense if the comics had ended in January like you would think they would have leading up to the release of ME2.

[maikanix]

I just pictured Nancy Drew investigating Interpol...