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[bergerrz]

sumof all fear wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

One of the biggest mistakes that BW is making with this series is they are making sequels and hacking in the past story.
They should be making the next chapter and hacking in summary story for new players coming in, in the middle. This is where they are failing in a big way.

But...but...

New players!  PROFITS!

I think we all agree that there are better ways they could have accomplished that./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif

Seems like every game company is toning down the stories and complexity and ultimately abandoning the hard core fan base in order to draw in new players and squeze more money out of the title.  I gotta say, its getting kinda annoying.

Especially when they use the economy as an excuse.

[Sunnie]

Tradition demands a pic!

[WilliamShatner]

yorkj86 wrote...

sumof all fear wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

One of the biggest mistakes that BW is making with this series is they are making sequels and hacking in the past story.
They should be making the next chapter and hacking in summary story for new players coming in, in the middle. This is where they are failing in a big way.

But...but...

New players!  PROFITS!

I think we all agree that there are better ways they could have accomplished that./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif

Seems like every game company is toning down the stories and complexity and ultimately abandoning the hard core fan base in order to draw in new players and squeze more money out of the title.  I gotta say, its getting kinda annoying.

Dons nostalgia goggles.
That's because games have such high production costs now.  Games like BG, Planescape and Arcanum will never be made again because they were designed for a loyal, niche audience.  As I understand it, Dragon Age is Bioware's experimental game, and probably as close as we'll come to BG and Planescape nowadays, whereas ME is the company's cash-cow.

ME1 still grossed around $100 million, which dwarfs 99.9% of game budgets.

You have to be among the top ten most expensive games ever made to have a budget of over $40 million (and ME1 and 2 aren't), which compared to the film industry is peanuts.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 18 avril 2010 - 07:08 .

[jlb524]

That sig is very awesome, justin. I might squeeze it in to mine.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The whole notion of "catering to new players to avoid confusion" really annoys and irritates me. Like I've said before, if you jump into a trilogy halfway through or at the end and are confused or misunderstand certain characters, the story, plot points or individual character arcs, then it's the player's responsibility to go back and play the original titles in order to gain an understanding of the characters and story.

I've seen alot of Liara fans express concern that new ME2 players will think Liara is "some crazy, revenge obsessed asari chick". I say "Who cares what they think?". Any player who hasn't played ME1's opinion on Liara is worth nothing, as they will misconstrue Liara and her character by not playing ME1 and understanding her better.

The problem is, this isn't like the movies where you can just go and rent the original, or download and play and get all you need. You're telling someone that's new to go back and play a "soon to be" 4 year old game for 10/20 hours or more, then buy and play a 2 year old game for 20/30 hours or more, just to "catchup" with the new game, Mass Effect 3, that is being recommended to him. That's a **** load of catchup just to get into the series. And currently, in my oppinion, Mass Effect 1 is so dated that's it's almost unplayable to me.

And about what new ME2 players think, I romanced Liara 2 years ago, and even I consider Liara now "some crazy, revenge obsessed asari chick." The only difference is that I have some history with her, and I now want to wait. They won't have that.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 18 avril 2010 - 07:56 .

[_Liara T-Soni]

justinnstuff wrote...

Heyo! Thanks to everybody for the comments/criticism on my new sig. I'm glad so many of you guys liked it! It's here for anybody so don't mind putting it in your sig. I tried to make the animation less "flashy" and not super bright so it won't blind people.

I find your technical skills with signatures to be quite fascinating. Perhaps you will be able to help me with hacking the terminals around Illium?

[bjdbwea]

It was always BioWare's policy to have a certain standard of quality and a vision of what they wanted a game to be. If necessary, they would delay the release. They even managed to convince LucasArts of the necessity to delay KotoR 1 until it was the master piece it has becomce! Obsidian didn't have that leverage, and look how KotoR 2 turned out.

And that's the problem now. That policy is gone, the old BioWare people couldn't do it if they wanted. EA sets a release date, and that's it. They don't care about quality or fan expectations. A game is a product that has to create the absolute maximum of profit by any means necessary, at any costs.

Of course money is the most important thing in any business, no doubt about that. But for all we know, ME 1 was a commercial success. I'm very sure that a proper ME 2 would have been able to sustain BioWare too.

Oh well... you can't demand from anyone to follow any principles, but it's always nice to find companies who do. They are very rare, but they used to be quite numerous in the gaming industry. Granted, that lead some straight into bankruptcy too, but a middle ground would be possible, of that I'm sure.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 avril 2010 - 08:09 .

[_Liara T-Soni]

justinnstuff wrote...

Liara T-Soni wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Heyo! Thanks to everybody for the comments/criticism on my new sig. I'm glad so many of you guys liked it! It's here for anybody so don't mind putting it in your sig. I tried to make the animation less "flashy" and not super bright so it won't blind people.

I find your technical skills with signatures to be quite fascinating. Perhaps you will be able to help me with hacking the terminals around Illium?

Only if I get some of your famous Shadow Broker coffee!! 

Have you ever tasted Asari-made biotic coffee before? Few humans have.

I'll make it simple. You get one cup free, once you've paid for five.

[TMA LIVE]

justinnstuff wrote...

ME1 unplayable? Well if you have the 360 version like I do I can see that, it has some serious framerate issues. If you got it for PC you should be fine. So you think Liara is some crazy asari chick and not a retconned character? I think they really overdid the "dark second act" with her. She shouldn't be that far gone in 2 years.

I got the 360 version, with no PC fixes, crappy frame rate, choppy graphics (compared to today), and terrible controls. And about the other thing, I think her going to a darker place and adding some conflict in the romance was the right move on paper, if they really did want to make a "three act" love story. The problem is, her motives don't add up to her current behavior. She seems like she's taking things to the extreme over things that don't need to be taken that far (if you read the comics, then you know what I mean). Before I read the comic, I ditched her for Tali 4 times without a second thought. But after reading the comic, and then relistening to her lines, I can't move on.

[mrbeavis19]

Liara T-Soni wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Liara T-Soni wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Heyo! Thanks to everybody for the comments/criticism on my new sig. I'm glad so many of you guys liked it! It's here for anybody so don't mind putting it in your sig. I tried to make the animation less "flashy" and not super bright so it won't blind people.

I find your technical skills with signatures to be quite fascinating. Perhaps you will be able to help me with hacking the terminals around Illium?

Only if I get some of your famous Shadow Broker coffee!! 

Have you ever tasted Asari-made biotic coffee before? Few humans have.

I'll make it simple. You get one cup free, once you've paid for five.

lol

[bjdbwea]

I don't know about you, but I replay ME 1 for the amazing story. So what if the combat in ME 2 works better (in my opinion that's not even true, but nevermind that now). In the end you always kill the bad guys and move on. Once you've mastered it, neither game provides much of a challenge in that regard, and shooting stuff isn't a huge deciding factor in replayability anyway. It's the story, the choices, the interactions with other characters, the beautiful romances that made me love and replay ME 1 so much. The game has lost nothing of that, no current game can match or even beat it until today. Certainly not ME 2, though you may of course disagree.

But of course I also don't find BG 2 or even Fallout 2 to be "unplayable".

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 avril 2010 - 08:21 .

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I reiterate my point: So? That's their problem and their responsibility. You don't dive into a trilogy, a trilogy that's supposed to have a flowing, consistent narrative, and expect to be up-to-speed on everything. It's the player's responsibility to educate themselves on the universe, it's lore, and what's happened to the story and the characters thus far. So what if it requires playing older games, tough! What do you expect when you dive into a trilogy at the concluding chapter?

ME1 being unplayable? That's an exagerration and hyperbole. It's still a very enjoyable experience, and alot better than alot of games released now. Hell, some of my favourite games are decades old, and are still far better than alot of crap released today: Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, Super Metroid, Mother 2, Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil.

Regarding Liara, that's the opinion of someone who hasn't analysed her character and read between the lines, IMO. You have to think and analyse as to why Ashley, Kaidan and Liara act the way they do, and their motives and reasons in ME2. That's all it requires, a bit of thinking.

Calling Liara crazy and revenge obsessed is a gross over-simplification.

A company can't say "so what" when the game costs more then 20 million dollars. Or heck, sometimes 50 million. You're also saying that they have enough people who are committed enough to play all three games from 2007 to 2011. The Resident Evil series tried that, and failed (thus why RE4 ditched the main story before it concluded, and restarted). As a fan of the original series, do I like it? No. But it has to happen.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 18 avril 2010 - 08:24 .

[Dr.LiaraTsoni]

Why is it that Liara is the only Asari (that i've seen) with eyebrows?