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Why is it that Liara is the only Asari (that i've seen) with eyebrows? 


There's only one other Asari with eyebrows. That was Matriarch Benezia. I wonder why they both have eyebrows and no other Asari does?

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What you also have to remember is that there is a vast inconsistentcy between the comic and ME2 regarding Liara's motives and emotions in hunting down the SB. At the end of Redemption, you're made to think that it's to learn of Feron's fate. That's all.



When Liara opens the floodgates in ME2, however, you realise it's alot deeper than that. Liara is hurting. Badly. Her chief motive is for what's happened to Shepard, the person she loves. She's been tormented by guilt and fear that Shepard will hate her. ME2 presents it as a deeply emotional, sad and heartwrenching quest on Liara's part. It's like she's undertaken it to attempt to redeem herself, to try to ease her pain and find happiness again. The fact that we're artificially prevented from properly comforting Liara and help ease her of her pain speaks volumes. It's an incredibly contrived why to maintain Liara's current character arc. If we were given the option to help Liara, ease her pain and actually act like a lover, she'd be back on the Normandy in no time at all.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Dr.LiaraTsoni wrote...

Why is it that Liara is the only Asari (that i've seen) with eyebrows? 


There's only one other Asari with eyebrows. That was Matriarch Benezia. I wonder why they both have eyebrows and no other Asari does?

Im sure somewhere out there are asari wih eyebrows too.

Although I dont think they are exactly eyebrows, I think they are facial markings.

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I don't mean to be rude or insulting or what not but...

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I don't mean to be rude or insulting or what not but...

What is it now with all these character imposters popping up./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif


I have a feeling they're all the same person.

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ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


Of course you can ignore much of that if you're only after the story. You can't really ignore planet scanning in ME 2. And if we're talking about side quests, what's better - steering the Mako through difficult terrain and shooting stuff in cookie cutter levels, or following a Mech through an empty level and pushing a button three times to insert a new battery?

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justinnstuff wrote...

Dr.LiaraTsoni wrote...

Why is it that Liara is the only Asari (that i've seen) with eyebrows? 


There's only one other Asari with eyebrows. That was Matriarch Benezia. I wonder why they both have eyebrows and no other Asari does?

Liara is the only Asari out there that also has naturally pink lips. They are soooo /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28010.gif . /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28016.gif 

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justinnstuff wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I don't mean to be rude or insulting or what not but...

What is it now with all these character imposters popping up./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif


I have a feeling they're all the same person.

Liara has come on here to support her DLC being released ASAP.

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ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


Of course you can ignore much of that if you're only after the story. You can't really ignore planet scanning in ME 2. And if we're talking about side quests, what's better - steering the Mako through difficult terrain and shooting stuff in cookie cutter levels, or following a Mech through an empty level and pushing a button three times to insert a new battery?


Sure you can ignore planet scanning. If you import an ME1 shep and already beat ME2 at least once, you'll get enough minerals for starter upgrades. If your entire squad is loyal, you can surive the suicide mission (with the right choices of course) with nobody dying. You don't have to scan a single planet. It's only necessary for your first playthrough.

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ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


Of course you can ignore much of that if you're only after the story. You can't really ignore planet scanning in ME 2. And if we're talking about side quests, what's better - steering the Mako through difficult terrain and shooting stuff in cookie cutter levels, or following a Mech through an empty level and pushing a button three times to insert a new battery?

Yeah but I hate leaving the quests unfinished.:unsure:

Thats what keeps me from doing another ME1 run. I didnt mind the Mako though, it was just the 90 degree angles that got me annoyed.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I don't mean to be rude or insulting or what not but...

What is it now with all these character imposters popping up./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif


I have a feeling they're all the same person.

Liara has come on here to support her DLC being released ASAP.


Agreed. Once Liara DLC is announced I'll be enjoying the news to the delicious taste of an Espressoularity ™ =]

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A company can't say "so what" when the game costs more then 20 million dollars. Or heck, sometimes 50 million. You're also saying that they have enough people who are committed enough to play all three games from 2007 to 2011. The Resident Evil series tried that, and failed (thus why RE4 ditched the main story before it concluded, and restarted). As a fan of the original series, do I like it? No. But it has to happen.


There's a precedent though. MGS is Konami's flagship series, it's main cash cow. Guns of the Patriots was the conclusion of Solid Snake's story, and really did require that you play the previous games in order to understand just what's going on.

MGS4 was one of 2008's highest grossing games. It sold fantastically well. ME should follow the same formula. It'll sell well, regardless of whether a certain portion of players haven't played the previous titles. Don't understand what's going on? Tough. It's their responsibility to go back and play the originals. It's not hard, they're all on the same system after all.

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I don't know about you, but I replay ME 1 for the amazing story. So what if the combat in ME 2 works better (in my opinion that's not even true, but nevermind that now). In the end you always kill the bad guys and move on. Once you've mastered it, neither game provides much of a challenge in that regard, and shooting stuff isn't a huge deciding factor in replayability anyway. It's the story, the choices, the interactions with other characters, the beautiful romances that made me love and replay ME 1 so much. The game has lost nothing of that, no current game can match or even beat it until today. Certainly not ME 2, though you may of course disagree.

But of course I also don't find BG 2 or even Fallout 2 to be "unplayable".

ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


That, and the horrible auto save, the terrible inventory, the Mako's shields and armor. and crappy shoot and cover gameplay. I still like the story, and a part of me wants to replay Mass Effect 1 as a female shepard (because I refuse to re-play my default female MS2 save after playing it. What a horrible experience...:pinched:) But because my choices "might" matter in MS2 and MS3, I hate having to try and finished "everything" just to make sure I got everything covered.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


Of course you can ignore much of that if you're only after the story. You can't really ignore planet scanning in ME 2. And if we're talking about side quests, what's better - steering the Mako through difficult terrain and shooting stuff in cookie cutter levels, or following a Mech through an empty level and pushing a button three times to insert a new battery?

Yeah but I hate leaving the quests unfinished.:unsure:

Thats what keeps me from doing another ME1 run. I didnt mind the Mako though, it was just the 90 degree angles that got me annoyed.

Really though, all it takes is a good look at the planet map and you can usually find much easier paths to get to things in the Mako. I never had much of a problem and actually loved roving aroung in it! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28009.gif
The Hammerhead was a fine attempt to placate us but it, like everything else in ME2, fell a bit short of expectation.

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bjdbwea wrote...

I don't know about you, but I replay ME 1 for the amazing story. So what if the combat in ME 2 works better (in my opinion that's not even true, but nevermind that now). In the end you always kill the bad guys and move on. Once you've mastered it, neither game provides much of a challenge in that regard, and shooting stuff isn't a huge deciding factor in replayability anyway. It's the story, the choices, the interactions with other characters, the beautiful romances that made me love and replay ME 1 so much. The game has lost nothing of that, no current game can match or even beat it until today. Certainly not ME 2, though you may of course disagree.

But of course I also don't find BG 2 or even Fallout 2 to be "unplayable".


Exactly. I think weve struck the difference here between the hardcore loyal players (the kind like me and you who can play a game about a decade old and still enjoy it) and the easily pleased mass market players who ME2s dumbed down gameplay is aimed at.

Ultimately ME2 and probably ME3 as well is aimed at a larger, more easily pleased market. The kind who forget all about it once the next new shooter is released.

I find it amusing when I read comments about how ME2 is a landmark RPG title that will be talked about for years.

Ill be surprised if a great deal of people are still talking about it by the end of this year. Its a lot like gears of war in gameplay, and also reception. Massively critically praised like its a game that will go down in gaming history. In reality its not that big a deal in a years time.

I think, though I cant be certain, the only area ME2 doesnt really match gears of war is in terms of sales. If it had matched the kind of shooters they wanted to emulate in terms of sales, I think we might have heard something. As it is, all I heard was it got off to a fairly good start. Thats all.

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justinnstuff wrote...

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I don't mean to be rude or insulting or what not but...

What is it now with all these character imposters popping up./uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28014.gif


I have a feeling they're all the same person.

Liara has come on here to support her DLC being released ASAP.


Agreed. Once Liara DLC is announced I'll be enjoying the news to the delicious taste of an Espressoularity ™ =]

Already got that trademarked, eh? ;)
I wonder if Shepard and Liara will also be able to enjoy a fine cup of Espressoularity ™ together in Shepard's Cabin after dealing with the SB.

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bjdbwea wrote...

I don't know about you, but I replay ME 1 for the amazing story. So what if the combat in ME 2 works better (in my opinion that's not even true, but nevermind that now). In the end you always kill the bad guys and move on. Once you've mastered it, neither game provides much of a challenge in that regard, and shooting stuff isn't a huge deciding factor in replayability anyway. It's the story, the choices, the interactions with other characters, the beautiful romances that made me love and replay ME 1 so much. The game has lost nothing of that, no current game can match or even beat it until today. Certainly not ME 2, though you may of course disagree.

But of course I also don't find BG 2 or even Fallout 2 to be "unplayable".

ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


That, and the horrible auto save, the terrible inventory, the Mako's shields and armor. and crappy shoot and cover gameplay. I still like the story, and a part of me wants to replay Mass Effect 1 as a female shepard (because I refuse to re-play my default female MS2 save after playing it. What a horrible experience...:pinched:) But because my choices "might" matter in MS2 and MS3, I hate having to try and finished "everything" just to make sure I got everything covered.

Well when it comes down to importing I still do everything over. The inventory wasnt so bad to me once I got used to it, and I dont see whats so bad about the auto save except that it occurs so rarely.

I could never do a default ME2 Shep run.

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Already got that trademarked, eh? ;)
I wonder if Shepard and Liara will also be able to enjoy a fine cup of Espressoularity ™ together in Shepard's Cabin after dealing with the SB.


Espressoularity ™ was originally Yeled's idea. I haven't seen Yeled in ages so I thought I'd try to continue the tradition :innocent:

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ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


Of course you can ignore much of that if you're only after the story. You can't really ignore planet scanning in ME 2. And if we're talking about side quests, what's better - steering the Mako through difficult terrain and shooting stuff in cookie cutter levels, or following a Mech through an empty level and pushing a button three times to insert a new battery?

Yeah but I hate leaving the quests unfinished.:unsure:

Thats what keeps me from doing another ME1 run. I didnt mind the Mako though, it was just the 90 degree angles that got me annoyed.

Really though, all it takes is a good look at the planet map and you can usually find much easier paths to get to things in the Mako. I never had much of a problem and actually loved roving aroung in it! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28009.gif
The Hammerhead was a fine attempt to placate us but it, like everything else in ME2, fell a bit short of expectation.

Oh I liked driving around in it too, take away the steep walls and it would be fine.

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Yeah but I hate leaving the quests unfinished.:unsure:


I know what you mean, and I do agree that some stuff in ME 1 is repetitive. But for me, the next part of the story is always enough to look forward to. I think that's how it should work.

By the way, I for one don't scan planets anyway. I rather press a few buttons in the save game editor instead of in the game.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

I don't know about you, but I replay ME 1 for the amazing story. So what if the combat in ME 2 works better (in my opinion that's not even true, but nevermind that now). In the end you always kill the bad guys and move on. Once you've mastered it, neither game provides much of a challenge in that regard, and shooting stuff isn't a huge deciding factor in replayability anyway. It's the story, the choices, the interactions with other characters, the beautiful romances that made me love and replay ME 1 so much. The game has lost nothing of that, no current game can match or even beat it until today. Certainly not ME 2, though you may of course disagree.

But of course I also don't find BG 2 or even Fallout 2 to be "unplayable".

ME1's main problem for me was the sidequest repetition and the 90 degree angles when driving to Mako >.<


That, and the horrible auto save, the terrible inventory, the Mako's shields and armor. and crappy shoot and cover gameplay. I still like the story, and a part of me wants to replay Mass Effect 1 as a female shepard (because I refuse to re-play my default female MS2 save after playing it. What a horrible experience...:pinched:) But because my choices "might" matter in MS2 and MS3, I hate having to try and finished "everything" just to make sure I got everything covered.

Not trying to be rude here. I am probably wrong, but, sounds like you are playing the wrong games. Maybe you should stick with the more solid shooters, for which there are many, and they do all of the shooting/driving/etc stuff much better. /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27986.gif

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If we were able to use the Hammerhead like the Mako, on actual planetary exploration, that would be cool. Instead the Hammerhead gets super mario style levels where you jump for joy. I'm surprised you didn't jump into ? blocks for resources. It's like ME2 became a platformer!

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Yeah but I hate leaving the quests unfinished.:unsure:


I know what you mean, and I do agree that some stuff in ME 1 is repetitive. But for me, the next part of the story is always enough to look forward to. I think that's how it should work.

By the way, I for one don't scan planets anyway. I rather press a few buttons in the save game editor instead of in the game.

Well I have it for 360, and dont like modding the game.

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Well when it comes down to importing I still do everything over. The inventory wasnt so bad to me once I got used to it, and I dont see whats so bad about the auto save except that it occurs so rarely.

I could never do a default ME2 Shep run.


Default shep is way too renegade for me.

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If we were able to use the Hammerhead like the Mako, on actual planetary exploration, that would be cool. Instead the Hammerhead gets super mario style levels where you jump for joy. I'm surprised you didn't jump into ? blocks for resources.

This.

Had they done the same exploration in ME1 to ME2 just switched the Mako with the Hammerhead, (and added some better armor and shields<_<) It would have been great, IMO.

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