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[II Goonah II]

Damn! I really need to read these comics!

[II Goonah II]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, did anyone else catch how much Miranda's personality and actions and attitude towards Liara changes radically between issues 2 and 4?

In issue 2, she acts like a racist, xenophobic, condescending b!tch toward Liara, and insults her in a backhanded way.

At the end of issue 4, she's very friendly, supportive and comforting to Liara, even placing her hand on Liara's shoulder. Pretty big leap.

It makes it all the more puzzling that Miranda, along with Garrus and Tali, don't say anything to Liara in ME2.

I think thats probably BioWare just not recognising the comic as part of the ME storyboard?

[wolf99000]

II Goonah II wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, did anyone else catch how much Miranda's personality and actions and attitude towards Liara changes radically between issues 2 and 4?

In issue 2, she acts like a racist, xenophobic, condescending b!tch toward Liara, and insults her in a backhanded way.

At the end of issue 4, she's very friendly, supportive and comforting to Liara, even placing her hand on Liara's shoulder. Pretty big leap.

It makes it all the more puzzling that Miranda, along with Garrus and Tali, don't say anything to Liara in ME2.

I think thats probably BioWare just not recognising the comic as part of the ME storyboard?

bioware were in on the comic so it must be part of the official cannon from everything I read they change parts in the game to work with the comics with the others not saying anything to liara the fact tali and garrus did not say anything or she about them tells me that the whole liara thing was rushed and incomplete as ashley/kadian mention garrus if he is in your team on horizon

Modifié par wolf99000, 19 avril 2010 - 06:32 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, did anyone else catch how much Miranda's personality and actions and attitude towards Liara changes radically between issues 2 and 4?

In issue 2, she acts like a racist, xenophobic, condescending b!tch toward Liara, and insults her in a backhanded way.

At the end of issue 4, she's very friendly, supportive and comforting to Liara, even placing her hand on Liara's shoulder. Pretty big leap.

It makes it all the more puzzling that Miranda, along with Garrus and Tali, don't say anything to Liara in ME2.

Miranda acts the same towards Shepard in ME2.  At first, on the Cerberus Station, she's all like, 'I don't want to be your friend.  We've got a job to do so let's do it!'.

When you talk to her on the Normandy for the first time, she's super friendly and totally willing to divulge her history to you. 

It makes absolutely no sense that Liara and Miranda would completely ignore each other.  It makes no sense she'd ignore the other two.  It makes no sense that Shepard can't ask Miranda about what happened to her body after Liara brought it to Cerberus.  Realistically, after Liara confesses that she was the one that gave Shepard's body up to Cerberus, Shepard would want to confront Miranda about it and ask tons of questions.  None of this happens.

[Marcin K]

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[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

Miranda acts the same towards Shepard in ME2.  At first, on the Cerberus Station, she's all like, 'I don't want to be your friend.  We've got a job to do so let's do it!'.

When you talk to her on the Normandy for the first time, she's super friendly and totally willing to divulge her history to you. 

It makes absolutely no sense that Liara and Miranda would completely ignore each other.  It makes no sense she'd ignore the other two.  It makes no sense that Shepard can't ask Miranda about what happened to her body after Liara brought it to Cerberus.  Realistically, after Liara confesses that she was the one that gave Shepard's body up to Cerberus, Shepard would want to confront Miranda about it and ask tons of questions.  None of this happens.

I absolutely agree. I can see how hard it would be to accomodate this kind of thing, because thats a lot of conversations that Bioware clearly didnt want to put the effort into doing (because its a lot of expensive work) but I just think its one more area where the writing of ME1 was just far superior. ME1 didnt necessarily accomodate these things all the time (though it did for a few instances, like why Anderson withheld his history with Saren as a minor example), its just it managed to avoid them. ME1 was the game where I never felt like I needed more dialogue and more questions. It was just far better written and paced.

ME2 however, I constantly felt like I wasnt getting enough conversations and dialogue because Bioware were trying to shove more shooter crap down my neck constantly.

I really hope ME3 follows ME1 more in terms of layout in exploration and the amount of dialogue available. Im unable to replay ME2 just because it feels like the every area I visit, or every conversation I do (or dont) have is being pushed aside so they can cram in one more shooter section.

[ratzerman]

justinnstuff wrote...
This gift was so awesome, I made my own smiley to show my excitement!



Thanks ratz 

No problem, Justin. I hope you have a fun birthday!

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Likewise, why can't you question TIM for flat out lying about Liara, and obviously trying to push you aware from her and telling you that Liara can't be trusted? Once Liara opened up and told me just what happened, I'd want to question TIM and Miranda right away, and find out just what the hell is going on with Liara, and how she had to work with Cerberus.

Thats one of the things that pissed me off about the comic. They should have highlighted something between Miranda and TIM about trying to keep Liara away from Shepard while he is being revived and in future. Trying to push her away. It was a blatant lie by TIM, and its completely ignored. If youre going to make a central character so obviously lie like that, at least make it something that can be probed.

As it stands, I thought Mirandas line at the end was a pathetic way of trying to justify Liaras absence from the game. It was all "Look, shes busy now and isnt a part of things!"

I for one believe this is absolutely 0% chance of TIM being mixed up or guessing. Hes almost like the Shadow Broker himself (or maybe even is...) with how he has to know all these things. "Information is my weapon".

Guess "misinformation" is too, and sadly we cant even question why.

With all this crap thats happened with ME2, I honestly dont think Bioware have the skill or the desire to put the effort in to make it all right. It seems so haphazard and slung together to create easy solutions, and its reallly damaged Liaras character and the trilogy badly for me.

I cant imagine they will write much for us who had to endure the "**** troubled act". Theyll probably gloss over it in ME3. I really think youre setting yourself up for a major fall expecting an alternate romance path for staying loyal in ME2 when it comes to ME3 LET. Bioware has just shown already they arent that interested in making that kind of effort.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 19 avril 2010 - 07:23 .

[Sunnie]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, did anyone else catch how much Miranda's personality and actions and attitude towards Liara changes radically between issues 2 and 4?

In issue 2, she acts like a racist, xenophobic, condescending b!tch toward Liara, and insults her in a backhanded way.

At the end of issue 4, she's very friendly, supportive and comforting to Liara, even placing her hand on Liara's shoulder. Pretty big leap.

It makes it all the more puzzling that Miranda, along with Garrus and Tali, don't say anything to Liara in ME2.

This is very much exactly how she (Miranda) treats Shepard. Starts out being a total b!tch, and you were just a waste of the last 2 years of her life, then becomes all lovey dovey. It is totaly her MO.

Edit: Dang you J, beat me to it! That will teach me to read ahead some  lol

Modifié par Sunnie22, 19 avril 2010 - 07:27 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

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[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Likewise, why can't you question TIM for flat out lying about Liara, and obviously trying to push you aware from her and telling you that Liara can't be trusted? Once Liara opened up and told me just what happened, I'd want to question TIM and Miranda right away, and find out just what the hell is going on with Liara, and how she had to work with Cerberus.

Thats one of the things that pissed me off about the comic. They should have highlighted something between Miranda and TIM about trying to keep Liara away from Shepard while he is being revived and in future. Trying to push her away. It was a blatant lie by TIM, and its completely ignored. If youre going to make a central character so obviously lie like that, at least make it something that can be probed.

As it stands, I thought Mirandas line at the end was a pathetic way of trying to justify Liaras absence from the game. It was all "Look, shes busy now and isnt a part of things!"

I for one believe this is absolutely 0% chance of TIM being mixed up or guessing. Hes almost like the Shadow Broker himself (or maybe even is...) with how he has to know all these things. "Information is my weapon".

Guess "misinformation" is too, and sadly we cant even question why.

With all this crap thats happened with ME2, I honestly dont think Bioware have the skill or the desire to put the effort in to make it all right. It seems so haphazard and slung together to create easy solutions, and its reallly damaged Liaras character and the trilogy badly for me.

I cant imagine they will write much for us who had to endure the "**** troubled act". Theyll probably gloss over it in ME3. I really think youre setting yourself up for a major fall expecting an alternate romance path for staying loyal in ME2 when it comes to ME3 LET. Bioware has just shown already they arent that interested in making that kind of effort.

I agree Dink and I really think that is the most disappointing part, they just don't seem to want to put in the effort required to really make a decent story out of it.  There were opportunities along the way, especially with Liara and also notably with Shepard's death, to tell some really interesting and emotional stories.  In both cases they took the easy, just gloss over it, and don't worry about all the holes attitude and just slapped stuff together.

It would have been one thing if BW had tried to make a real deep and interesting story out of all of this and just failed in doing so.  The complete lack of trying to do so is what is disappointing.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I agree Dink and I really think that is the most disappointing part, they just don't seem to want to put in the effort required to really make a decent story out of it.  There were opportunities along the way, especially with Liara and also notably with Shepard's death, to tell some really interesting and emotional stories.  In both cases they took the easy, just gloss over it, and don't worry about all the holes attitude and just slapped stuff together.

It would have been one thing if BW had tried to make a real deep and interesting story out of all of this and just failed in doing so.  The complete lack of trying to do so is what is disappointing.

Yeah, its one of the reasons why their "dark second act" claims turned out to be bull****. Shepard in ME2 approaches all situations with the emotional and intellectual believability of a sausage roll. He doesnt care that HE DIED AND FAILED. He doesnt care that upon being revived his is set straight to work on solving the collector problem (the ones who killed him). He doesnt care that nobody bar cerberus gives a crap about the reapers he proved existed and also thwarted (though maybe he realised this was crappy railroading writing from Bioware). He doesnt care that the normandy was obliterated and his squad split up. Its all incredibly annoying.

The only thing that comes close to Shepard trying to grapple with the current events is "I have a hard time believing two years have passed".

I guess Bioware figured if they spent to much time with that boring plot and character ****, and not enough time mole whacking behind cover for shooter fans, people would get bored and walk off.

I wouldnt mind but the bulk of the "main plot" consists of 16 "character missions" - all heavily reliant on combat with minor dialogue and plot sprinkled in afterwards, with only two missions taking the route of being almost all dialogue and roleplaying.

Id love to think all the criticism of ME2 being a dumbed down shooter is being taken to heart for ME3, but I somehow doubt it will, and ME3 will have significant development time devoted to yet more shooter pandering.

At this stage I wouldnt be surprised if they tried to shoehorn multiplayer into ME3 to appeal to even more shooter fans.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 19 avril 2010 - 07:39 .

[Marcin K]

 cya all tomorrow as i go OFFLINE for night, have a great night all:)

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Yeah, its one of the reasons why their "dark second act" claims turned out to be bull****. Shepard in ME2 approaches all situations with the emotional and intellectual believability of a sausage roll. He doesnt care that HE DIED AND FAILED. He doesnt care that upon being revived his is set straight to work on solving the collector problem (the ones who killed him). He doesnt care that nobody bar cerberus gives a crap about the reapers he proved existed and also thwarted (though maybe he realised this was crappy railroading writing from Bioware). He doesnt care that the normandy was obliterated and his squad split up. Its all incredibly annoying.

The only thing that comes close to Shepard trying to grapple with the current events is "I have a hard time believing two years have passed".

I guess Bioware figured if they spent to much time with that boring plot and character ****, and not enough time mole whacking behind cover for shooter fans, people would get bored and walk off.

I wouldnt mind but the bulk of the "main plot" consists of 16 "character missions" - all heavily reliant on combat with minor dialogue and plot sprinkled in afterwards, with only two missions taking the route of being almost all dialogue and roleplaying.

Id love to think all the criticism of ME2 being a dumbed down shooter is being taken to heart for ME3, but I somehow doubt it will, and ME3 will have significant development time devoted to yet more shooter pandering.

At this stage I wouldnt be surprised if they tried to shoehorn multiplayer into ME3 to appeal to even more shooter fans.

Hehe, well I don't think BW is up to the task of doing anything that would "suprise" me at this point, and yeah I pretty much agree with you again.  I don't see any reason to think ME3 is going to be any less watered down for the masses than ME2 was.

[JamieCOTC]

Mass Effect 2 fan trailer w/ Liara

[Asheer_Khan]

I wonder if Lili will have this armor in her DLC...



On the other hand... it's sad for me to say such words but right now the ONLY way to save ME 3 in form of trueRPG is to pass that game to other non blinded by shooters developer.



*sigh...* i don't known why but my stance toward ME 3 is right now turned from very high before ME 2 introduction to 1% of personal interest... in other word maybe i buy that game when she will be in sale as much cheaper special edition... and that's very bad sign.