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[UFOash]

^Is that pic OK^
If not I'll delete it before a Mod gets in here

[Yeled]

Les wrote...

Liara is too much of an important character, and her current story arc too deep and influential, to have it be a bodge job.

Couldn't the same argument have been applied before ME2?

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I understand what you're trying to say, bjd. I just think that it's almost an obligation that Liara's content will be deep and substantial.

I look at Kasumi's DLC, and the content it featured, and I see that as evidence that they're stepping in the right direction. I thought it was quite deep, intricate, enjoyable, and surprisingly emotive. If they can accomplish that with a relatively minor character as Kasumi, how much work are they going to put into Liara, and her DLC and the dialogue, romance and scenes within? Particularly if alot of it was developed concurrently with the rest of the game, as I theorise.

Liara is too much of an important character, and her current story arc too deep and influential, to have it be a bodge job.

conclusion: LIARA DLC WILL MAKE US <3:wub: OR  BW FOR EVER

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LET why is it when talking about the Liara content you seem to forget that there are two other LIs as well, each with lots of fans, who would be very pissed off to see Liara get such "deep and substantial" romance content?

You only have to look at how some reacted to Kasumis mention (which I think was perfectly fair and balanced things out with how many mentions Ash/Kai get in the core game).

However, I personally find when Im reading your theories on what might happen with this supposed Liara DLC that always seems to neglect the total imblance that it would create against the other ME1 LIs.

Do you not think the type of DLC featuring Liara that you describe would be insulting to Ash/Kai fans? I certainly do.

What DLC plans have they got to talk about for their favourite character and LI as well? Nothing.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 20 avril 2010 - 05:42 .

[Marcin K]

i suppose it deserves to get reposted=]

UFOash wrote...

i just love that pic as much as those two:


and one extra:

so:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...


Sorry, I probably did miss it.

I am going to seperate out the ME 2 experience into its own story, based off course on what is canon.  It's going to be rough to write an ME 2 focused Liara romance because you can condense down the entire time you interact with her to basically 3-5 minutes tops (less if you keep pressing the skip button!).  It will focus on the feelings that both Shepard and Liara have after seeing each other after so long especially in light of the events that happend in the previous story.

I get a lot of inspiration from other sources and I have a particular film and character who reacts to lost romance in a way that Shepard likely will. 

Depending on when the Liara DLC is announced, I probably will have time to write something hypothetical and for my own amusement.  This will be a short story apart from any previous efforts that will still deal with the same Shepard...

For all the filling in the blanks that fan fiction writers do, we should get free swag from Bioware  

Lost romance? From Shepard's perspective? Please don't tell me Liara is going to do something she'll regret, and inadvertedly push Shepard away! As long as the story ends well, and Shepard and Liara are happy together...

Like I said before, your Shep/Liara stories are alot better than what we're being given in ME2. How would you go about applying to join BW's group of writers?

Hah, I wish Bioware would hire me.  I don't think they look for people who work in Insurance and Financial services though.

I promise the story won't be too sad...

[Yeled]

I agree that Ash and Kaiden will get theirs eventually, but even so I don't think BioWare really operates based on what is fair and what is not. Fairness can only come in to play if they think being unfair would create enough ill will that they'd lose substantial sales. Thus far I haven't seen anything that would indicate they believe this.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Personally I think if any of the ME1 LIs feature in DLC, Bioware will continue the trend of making the romance references thin or flat out ambiguous at best.

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeled wrote...


Couldn't the same argument have been applied before ME2?

I think that the current Liara reunion scenes are the hackjob that they are because of the fact that Liara's DLC will be released. Romance or any kind of emotional or intimate content is all but absent because it will be tackled in Liara's DLC.

BW had one hand tied behind their back regarding Liara's ME2 scenes because they want the meat of Liara's ME2 role to be tackled and depicted in her DLC.

I think the scenes are the hackjob they are because BioWare was lazy, needed an excuse to keep Liara out of your squad, and didn't bother putting anything decent behind it.  This might be a time issue after they had cut more substantial content, or it might have simply been terrible writing.  I don't think they planned for them to be crap in order for the good stuff to come later.  I think they miscalculated, and for some reason still haven't figured out that the relationships and other trappings of the main character are what resonates with the players.

[Yeled]

I want to add that I think the scenes are the hackjob they are because the talent level of the people writing ME has gone down significantly compared to earlier BW titles, and because the emphasis of the game was not on story but on "grimdark" action.



Think of the story in ME2 compared to KotoR (one of the best twists of all time), Jade Empire (a terrific, convoluted plot), or ME1 (the setting was alive and the galaxy was a character unto itself). Its not even close. ME2's story is closer to Halo and Gears of War than to those earlier titles.

[bjdbwea]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Do you not think the type of DLC featuring Liara that you describe would be insulting to Ash/Kai fans? I certainly do.

What DLC plans have they got to talk about for their favourite character and LI as well? Nothing.

And...? We were screwed, they were screwed. I would like for them get content too, and some proper content for Ashley I would gladly buy as well. But if I had to decide between three hours of Liara content, and one hour for each of the three characters, I would choose the former. So what.

But it is not our decision. As I said, what brings the most money will be done. If that's Liara content, it will happen and screw everyone who doesn't like it. Not my opinion, but theirs.

[wolf99000]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

LET why is it when talking about the Liara content you seem to forget that there are two other LIs as well, each with lots of fans, who would be very pissed off to see Liara get such "deep and substantial" romance content?

You only have to look at how some reacted to Kasumis mention (which I think was perfectly fair and balanced things out with how many mentions Ash/Kai get in the core game).

However, I personally find when Im reading your theories on what might happen with this supposed Liara DLC that always seems to neglect the total imblance that it would create against the other ME1 LIs.

Do you not think the type of DLC featuring Liara that you describe would be insulting to Ash/Kai fans? I certainly do.

What DLC plans have they got to talk about for their favourite character and LI as well? Nothing.

for me there is a big difference in the 3 stories the ash and kai ones are ok they are not what we wanted but it opens doors and they both acted like they did in the first game

with liara she has done a 360 and there is zero explanation and the story was totally incomplete you can buy ash and kai being like they are and even being chosen to hunt shepard down as some have speculated even in there letters well kai as I have not done my ash game yet he hints that he was dating someone else you dont even get an email from liara

its those open questions that we want answering if they dont want to focus on the going forward at least do something that picks up after you die so we can see what happened to the crew from there and end it where the comics start

[wolf99000]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In the ME1 LI group, a Kaidan fan even said that from her perspective Liara fans don't have as much to worry about as the Ashley and Kaidan fans. Redemption has proven to BioWare that Liara is a popular character and is in-demand, and will make money for them.

Like bjd said, I hate it when I say this but it's not in BW's interest to be fair to the other LIs. They do what they think is best from a storytelling and/or money-making standpoint.

I really do hope there will be content for Ashley and Kaidan after Liara's DLC, and I do think there will be too. We'll just have to wait and see. But I think BW see Liara as more of a pressing concern at the moment.

that is why I think we need an expansion so they can do all this stuff

[wolf99000]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As I said before though, what's to stop them from releasing this Liara DLC, but also have her play a prominent role in the expansion that also features Ashley and Kaidan? If this expansion does lead into ME3, then they'll need all of Liara's loose ends tied up in order to have her back in the squad for ME3, ready to go.

not really as the main loose end is the shadow broker which they will not tie up till me3 if its an expansion it will deal with every character in the game which is how she will come back for me3

lets say the idea of shepard being hunted down and arrested to start the 3rd game was what bioware will do as a way to zero out the stats again the expansion can deal with that ash kaidan being made a specture and being sent after you and liara comes to warn and help you that way all 3 are put in bad situations

Modifié par wolf99000, 20 avril 2010 - 06:36 .

[Yeled]

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam on this forum, but I've been thinking about what I'd like the squad to look like in my heart of hearts in ME3. And rather than start a new thread and get into a debate with non-Liara fans, I decided I'd post my thoughts here and see what my fellow Liara lovers thought.

I actually do like a couple of the ME2 characters, though to be honest I don't love any of them. Unlike a lot of folks on the forum, I really don't think it follows that you've recruited the best of the best and what you've got should form the bulk of your ME3 squad. Many of them have reasons to be elsewhere, and many of them have no reason to be working with you in the first place. I'm not super attached to any of them to be frank.

So who would I want?

Well, Liara of course. Shepard and Liara are in love, and I wouldn't mind having to work through some of their issues. I'm not super interested in the SB side story, though, as no one, including Liara, has given me a good reason why we should care about him, so honestly I'd prefer we drop the whole subject. But if I had to deal with the SB I could, I suppose, if that's what it takes. I'd prefer we get back to the Reapers and each other.

I'd like to see Garrus return again, as I see him as a comrade in arms. By the end of ME2 he is essentially my Shep's best friend (despite the fact that he's always busy calibrating stuff), and their friendship is based off mutual respect born out of fighting together side by side.

I'd like to see Miranda return, to be honest, because she quit Cerberus (proving her loyalty) and because I think she makes a really good second. I think Shep and Miranda respect and understand one another. I also like to imagine Miranda has a major thing for my Shepard, despite the fact that they are both women. I believe Miranda is attracted to strength and resolve, and Shep has both in spades.

I definitely would like to see Kaiden back (ironically I killed him on Virmire in my main playthrough, though I might do things differently next time and make that my main play through). I can't tell you how much I like his character now that I've gone back to ME1 again. He's a good marine and deserves a place at Shep's side.

And other than that I think I'd like new squad mates.

- Tali has run her course as far as I'm concerned and I think she should return to the fleet at this point.

- Wrex is good where he is, and I'd like to see him unite the tribes. Grunt should join Wrex.

- I could take or leave Jack, and would probably like her more if she didn't tell femshep to go **** herself after all Shep did for her.

- Jacob is a waste of time.

- Legion is ok, but I never really cared about him.

- Samara doesn't fit, and needs to go do Justicar stuff.

- Thane should die...not because I hate him but because he has to for the sake of his story. It would be lame if he didn't after all he went through to make himself right.

- I don't think I need to cover Zaeed or Kasumi.

Modifié par Yeled, 20 avril 2010 - 06:43 .

[Yeled]

Oops. I forgot Mordin. I don't want Mordin in the squad, but I would like to see him return on the Normandy. Maybe he could be ship's doctor or ship's scientist.

[Yeled]

@ Justin: Gah! Your new avatar is scary.

Modifié par Yeled, 20 avril 2010 - 06:47 .

[wolf99000]

Yeled wrote...



- Tali has run her course as far as I'm concerned and I think she should return to the fleet at this point.

dont put that in the tali theard lol

I would like them all back plus a couple new people gianna and the other 2 asari the bartender and shiala if they cannot get them all on the ship but hope they can go out in big style  but if not let us choose between them all who we want as we play