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[jtav]

justin: you are a fan after my own heart. I love my happy ending, but I like to have some angst and obstacles first.

Jayla: I support great female characters in general, especially in videogames. I love most of the ladies of Mass Effect to one degree or another. Though the more I like them, the more hell I seem to put them through. Ask MassAffected if you don't believe me.

[wolf99000]

the only way it will make sense is if the SB arc is amazing or there is something else that they have not told us yet

[scmadsen]

When she says she couldn't let you go, that might of been meant for only a romanced Shepard...however the fact remains that she still went after your body, even if you didn't romance her. It's nice to think that line was for those that romanced her, because we really didn't get much, over someone that didn't...but Liara clearly has feelings that are deeper then friendship, even if she wasn't romanced.



Now, if Ash/Kai went after your body if they were your LI, and say it was Legion if you had no LI...I might agree...but something made Liara go after Shepard's body and not the others...it's more romantic to think it's because she loves you. I still think Liara is in love with Shepard no matter what...she comes off as more angry at Shepard in a non-romanced reunion on Illium, to me, even if it's subtle. I think that's because her love isn't returned, and she's been thru hell for you, and had two years to think about how Shepard doesn't love her.

[MassAffected]

justinnstuff wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Hopefully the SB arc is gritty and dark...I'd like to see how far Liara is willing to go to get her revenge and just how much her character has changed from ME1. At least it would be cool to me.

I want her to come around though. We know from ME2 how hellbent she is on taking out the shadow broker. I just hope she snaps out of it eventually. Or we help her kill the SB once and for all. I bet the SB is somehow connected with the reapers.

They really do need to fill in her story first though.

I would like for her to come around as well, but I want the suspense there just the same. It would be neat not to know which way she will jump so to speak. As Shep I'd like to "save her" from being consumed by revenge.

[wolf99000]

thing is even if you turn her down that does not stop the way she feels about you



I do wonder if the game was rushed and the origanal idea was to have ash kadian doing the liara part going after your body if you romanced them but it was getting close to launch date so they changed that part it would have made more sense in many ways

[jtav]

I think her "redemption" for lack of a better word would be more effective if there's a real possibility that she could be consumed by revenge. For those of you that have played KOTOR, turning Bastila back to the light wouldn't be nearly so satisfying if you knew that you were going to pass your persuade check, would it? Success means more when there's the possibility of failure.

[wolf99000]

MassAffected wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Hopefully the SB arc is gritty and dark...I'd like to see how far Liara is willing to go to get her revenge and just how much her character has changed from ME1. At least it would be cool to me.

I want her to come around though. We know from ME2 how hellbent she is on taking out the shadow broker. I just hope she snaps out of it eventually. Or we help her kill the SB once and for all. I bet the SB is somehow connected with the reapers.

They really do need to fill in her story first though.

I would like for her to come around as well, but I want the suspense there just the same. It would be neat not to know which way she will jump so to speak. As Shep I'd like to "save her" from being consumed by revenge.

I think that what they might do is have her save shepard somehow you being in trouble might be the thing she needs to snap out of her obsession

[MassAffected]

Actually when it comes down to it I don't want Liara's "redemption" to depend on how good your Paragon/Renegade scores are. I would rather it be effected by your choices during her mission, if there is one. That way you don't really know if you'll get through to her or not as well as the chance of failure if you take too long.

[bjdbwea]

jtav wrote...

No offense meant. It's just I wasn't romancing Liara the first time I heard that bit of dialogue, so it can off as odd. I appreciate what she did, but I think it would have been extremely helpful on several levels to reserve that particular line to romanced Liara.

Oh, I see. I kind of agree with you then. In fact, I would have liked best if they had Shepard be rescued by whoever was the LI from ME 1. If there was none, then let it be someone else, why not Miranda. Who, as I said, is my favourite LI from ME 2. The only one I can feel any connection to at all to be precise. It's not her fault that the writing on the whole left a lot to be desired in this game.

But of course the comics enforced this particular history as canon, like they obviously were one main reason why there isn't any acknowledgement let alone continuation of the romance in ME 2. Just wish that your favourite character isn't going to be the star of the next series, or you might be the next ones to be screwed like this.

All that said, I still think it's in-character for Liara to do for any Shepard what she did. Though she might not so openly speak about it if Shepard rejected her in ME 1.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 22 avril 2010 - 02:00 .

[jlb524]

scmadsen wrote...

When she says she couldn't let you go, that might of been meant for only a romanced Shepard...however the fact remains that she still went after your body, even if you didn't romance her. It's nice to think that line was for those that romanced her, because we really didn't get much, over someone that didn't...but Liara clearly has feelings that are deeper then friendship, even if she wasn't romanced.

Now, if Ash/Kai went after your body if they were your LI, and say it was Legion if you had no LI...I might agree...but something made Liara go after Shepard's body and not the others...it's more romantic to think it's because she loves you. I still think Liara is in love with Shepard no matter what...she comes off as more angry at Shepard in a non-romanced reunion on Illium, to me, even if it's subtle. I think that's because her love isn't returned, and she's been thru hell for you, and had two years to think about how Shepard doesn't love her.

It's just not clear why Liara goes after Shepard's body.   I always assume Feron/Cerberus contacted her and told her about it, and she just didn't start looking for it in random locations hoping to find it.  She had to have had a tip.  Why was she contacted and not the others?  Probably because she was the only squad mate available realistically.  Ashley and Kaidan have commitments to the Alliance and can't just run off on a wild goose hunt for Shepard.  Garrus disappeared and couldn't be contacted.  Tali probably went back to the Flotilla.  Wrex to Tuchanka.  Liara really had no other commitments at that time.

I would think, even as just a friend, Liara would want to stop the Collectors from obtaining Shepard's body.  It's nice for us to add in the 'she's doing it for love' bit and that probably is an added motivation if she did romance Shepard.  I don't think that 'romantic love' is necessary to motivate her to stop the SB and Collectors from doing who knows what with the body, however.  It could be about friendship or just because it's the honorable thing to do...help lay a fallen comrade to rest.

Modifié par jlb524, 22 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[jtav]

Me too, (though I don't consider Liara my "canon" romance for ME, so maybe that doesn't count) The whole "redemption through love" thing never gets old for me.



I think Liara was always going to be the one who was going to retrieve Shep's body. I would have just tweaked her motivation if you didn't romance her. "I knew you were the only one who could stop the Reapers. And... and you were my friend." Took me all of 10 seconds. I think I spend more time mentally rewriting this series than I do playing it.

[wolf99000]

MassAffected wrote...

Actually when it comes down to it I don't want Liara's "redemption" to depend on how good your Paragon/Renegade scores are. I would rather it be effected by your choices during her mission, if there is one. That way you don't really know if you'll get through to her or not as well as the chance of failure if you take too long.

maybe a good way of doing it would be the SB sets it up so she has the choice kill him or shepard make her make the choice

[scmadsen]

It seems to me, that Liara has been spending her time trying not to think about Shepard...her reason for this is because it's too painful to be consumed with worry and sadness...so she has given into anger and lust for revenge, hate even...because that's easier on her...the problem though...is that Shepard just walked back into her life...she is faced with a choice...keep after the Shadow Broker or walk away and be with Shepard.

The game forces her down the darker path...she keeps working toward her revenge. Something has to happen to snap her out of this. If you want more of a solid reason...perhaps it's because she is scared of what Shepard is now...is it truly her lover, or just a shell that looks like Shepard.

Shepard has to do something to show Liara that she/he is still there, and hasn't been lost. Shepard is going to have to make Liara remember their love for each other. Liara made the gesture in saving your body, now it's Shepard's turn to make one, and save Liara from herself. The easy way to do this is to help her kill the Shadow Broker...but once he is dead...what happens.

There is no question that the Shadow Broker needs to die...but I don't think this alone will fix Liara...there needs to be something more. Something to make Liara remember that she loves Shepard, and that Shepard loves her. I hope they let us do this for her, as our reward for being her LI and being faithful. It could be as simple as having Liara up in your cabin to talk, and then Liara notices her picture on your desk...I think in that moment, it might be just the reminder she needs.

Modifié par scmadsen, 22 avril 2010 - 02:09 .

[Jax Sparrow]

@ scmadsen : I think you that you may be correct and it makes sense. Which is why I think Liara and the Shadowbroker will be the main quest behind the unannounced expansion. As an expansion the timeline will happen after the Omega 4 Relay mission and thus she can rejoin Shepard without her life being endangered. Plus the Shadowbroker has been far to hyped to simply be another DLC. I believe that it will be in stores before summer solstice and thus we should hear something before the end of May. May be longer though *shrugs*

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 22 avril 2010 - 02:12 .

[jlb524]

What if Liara didn't romance Shepard, though? There has to be more driving her to take on the Shadow Broker beyond just dealing with grief over losing Shepard.

[MassAffected]

I think that the DLC/Expansion...whatever you want to call it should only focus on the search for the Shadow Broker. I think that he/she/it is too big and too hyped to just be dealt with in a DLC. Then in ME3 we could have the option of finally deciding SB's fate. You could still have Shep and Liara reconnect during the search.

[MassAffected]

jlb524 wrote...

What if Liara didn't romance Shepard, though? There has to be more driving her to take on the Shadow Broker beyond just dealing with grief over losing Shepard.

They could flesh it out if its only a "search for the SB" and therefore explore her motivations and feelings. Help us decide what exactly needs to be done and how best to do it. I'd rather the DLC focus on her motivations and what she has been through in the past two years. This way it could go the friend route as well as the LI route.

[jtav]

jlb524 wrote...

What if Liara didn't romance Shepard, though? There has to be more driving her to take on the Shadow Broker beyond just dealing with grief over losing Shepard.

This. I don't want to see any character reduced to their relationship with Shepard. I want there to be more going on and for her to have additional motivations we aren't told about. Assuming Liara will have that big role in ME3, it's only tangentially related to her LI status.

[wolf99000]

but for me when you tell her in me1 that you pick the other LI she takes it the hardest of all of them so I think deep down she knows it will never be both ways but she does still love Shepard

Modifié par wolf99000, 22 avril 2010 - 02:25 .

[scmadsen]

The Drell becomes the reason then. To save his life or atleast find out what happened to him. She feels she owes him that much. We need something special for being her LI and being faithful though...but Liara is important to ME3...so she seems to be coming back as a squadmate...but in what manner does she return. As your lover living in your cabin with you, or as just another team member...we don't know what extra role Liara will play that makes her special and worth having alive in ME3...she is the only person that understands the Reapers as much as Shepard does...perhaps that will be important. Perhaps she will be needed share those memories with the Council...maybe Shepard will be captured and it will take Liara showing what she knows, to get people moving.



Outside of this thread, it's not a popular idea...but to me...Liara is the canon romance...their love is deeper then any of the other romances, and Liara has played a larger role then any of them. I want there to be a reward for picking her and staying faithful. I don't give a damn about the other romances, they just aren't important, or any where near as deep. If Liara did it for love, and it takes love to bring her back, and keep her off the dark path, then so be it.

[MassAffected]

To me her romance seems "deeper" than most of the other ones because of the Meld. She is able to know Shepard like no one else can...that is what makes her romance a bit more special to me than the others.