The keepers are harmless now thats to the prothean science team then altered the citadels signal after the reaper invasion.scmadsen wrote...
The Keepers are setup to be the perfect spies. Everyone ignores them, and they can go anywhere they want. It's just too perfect...if not the Keepers themselves, then someone that saw how great it would be to use them. Perhaps the Shadow Broker found a way to make use of the Keepers. How could anyone that's an information broker, pass up all the dirt they could gather for you.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:07
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#19752
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:08
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if the shadow broker used the keepers he would have known about the reprograming that the protheans did and might even know about the reapers
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:08
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I totally believe in this keeper theory. That would be the ultimate spy bot.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:08
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The Keepers were an awesome little detail. When their purpose was revealed I was like "Whoa."
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:09
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I still think its an organization that trades info and keeps a sort of galactic "power balance". Doesn't mean that some members arent corrupt or even indoctrinated, but I don't think the organization is ALL evil.
From the comic, it seems that the Shadow Broker is one entity. We see 'it' speaking to the Collector Panel, though the SB is never shown and resides just beyond the panel.
The SB has many brokers under him/her/it, however, and I'm sure not all are evil. The majority of them have no idea what the SB is or what its fundamental motivations are. Regarding Shepard's body, the SB dealt directly with the Collectors and didn't go though another agent, which means eiher the deal was probably a huge one with a big monetary gain or the SB itself is in deep with the Reapers/Collectors.
I haven't read the comics yet, so you may very well be right. I picture the SB/organization to be a lot like Talon Karrde is in Star Wars, just not as gallant and fair. He runs a business and that is dealing in information/other illicit goods and he is about making money.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:13
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one last thing before bed there is a reason the SB has never been seen on screen it might be someone we know or a reaper or even a the geth
well I am going to grab some food then bed later guys got to be up early for physio on my knee
well I am going to grab some food then bed later guys got to be up early for physio on my knee
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:19
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omg work is so the suck today!
Good evening!
Good evening!
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:19
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I dont think its geth. Reaper possibly, but I think its a group of people ranging from different species that have very powerful connectioons, and are now working with the collectors.wolf99000 wrote...
one last thing before bed there is a reason the SB has never been seen on screen it might be someone we know or a reaper or even a the geth
well I am going to grab some food then bed later guys got to be up early for physio on my knee
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:22
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Looking at your keeper theories, have you noticed how the keepers act differently in ME2? I've noticed that they actually look around at Shepard now, especially that one that's right near where you first land in the Citadel, the C-Sec customs area, near where you recruit Kasumi. Now, we're told and shown in ME1 that the keepers are all but catatonic, and do not interact with other species at all. And now, we've got a keeper that looks around at Shepard, obviously focusing it's attention on Shepard. Why? Does this have any significance?
Also, saying that Liara is headed down a dark path is a bit of a simplification, I feel. If you analyse what Liara says in ME2, and her actions, then you realise that she's fully aware of what she's doing, that she hates being an information broker and views her actions only as a necessity, that she's trying to limit any bloodshed and doesn't allow her morals, principals or values to be compromised, and that alot of what she's done and her chief motive is her love for Shepard.
Calling it "revenge" is a bit of a simplification too. I'd say it's more like Liara feeling the need to redeem herself, that she feels that if she takes out the SB, that she will ease herself of her grief and pain, her sorrow. The fact that we're artificially prevented from comforting Liara in ME2 speaks volumes. Her thought processes aren't an "eye for an eye". It's much deeper than that, and Liara isn't losing herself at all in you analyse it.
Also, saying that Liara is headed down a dark path is a bit of a simplification, I feel. If you analyse what Liara says in ME2, and her actions, then you realise that she's fully aware of what she's doing, that she hates being an information broker and views her actions only as a necessity, that she's trying to limit any bloodshed and doesn't allow her morals, principals or values to be compromised, and that alot of what she's done and her chief motive is her love for Shepard.
Calling it "revenge" is a bit of a simplification too. I'd say it's more like Liara feeling the need to redeem herself, that she feels that if she takes out the SB, that she will ease herself of her grief and pain, her sorrow. The fact that we're artificially prevented from comforting Liara in ME2 speaks volumes. Her thought processes aren't an "eye for an eye". It's much deeper than that, and Liara isn't losing herself at all in you analyse it.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:25
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Perhaps, LET...that is kind of why I hope the DLC (if there is one) focuses on her motivations and what went on in the two years that Shepard was gone.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:26
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Tali__lover1915 wrote...
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I'd love to see Liara in ME3 as well, but what about this talk of her having a DLC for ME2???
Is a Liara T'soni DLC in the Works for ME2?
Ah, yes, "Liara DLC." We have dismissed that claim.
Ah yes, "Liara DLC". The fabled DLC from BioWare expanding on the Liara T'Soni/Shadow Broker story arc. We have dismissed these claims.
boooooo!I was soo excited when i first saw this...does anyone have the info for how/why it was dismissed?
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Just joking about dismissing it. It's been talked about and talked about and I'm surprised that Internet game sites are just now talking abgout it.
The reality is the DLC is just speculation. Some claim that a Liara DLC was planned to come out sometime after the comic was released. Others claim that the dialogue found on PCs was from a scene that was supposed to be in ME2 but was cut. Neither BW or EA will comment. Most agree that Liara's character was handled poorly, but for now it's just free press at Liara's expence.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:27
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You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:28
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Keepers... while I believe they are benign, anything is possible because we know almost nothing about them other than a few lines of codex entries, some side quest info, and the data from the Prothean VI on Ilos. They are Dralafa as Thane would put it. Could be scary stuff!
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:33
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This.scmadsen wrote...
You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
And it doesn't help that we are artificially prevented from trying to find out what is going on, or to say that we care, or to even not act like a total moron during the conversations.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:34
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scmadsen wrote...
You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
That's subjective. I think it's telling that Liara only shows anything close to losing her temper is when Shepard displays his/her own ignorance of eberything that's happened to Liara, or trivialises Liara's suffering. The fact that Liara doesn't really get angry at Shepard at all, and seems to momentarily get slightly angry and flustered, tells me that Liara is frustrated and angry at herself because she's aware that she's coming across as vague and confusing to the person she loves, but can't reveal just what has truly happened because of her fear that Shepard will hate her.
As a matter of fact, Liara states in the second issue of Redemption that she doesn't blame Shepard for anything. She actually blames herself for Shepard's death. Have another read, you'll see that's the case. Liara isn't angry at Shepard at all. She's angry at herself, tormented by guilt and her own fear that Shepard will hate her. That's her chief motive, and that's why everything has happened.
We just need to comfort and console Liara, sit her down and have a proper heart to heart with her. It's so infuriating that as Liara's LI all we can say back to her is about "the mission." Partcularly as Liara has just pretty much opened her heart to Shep!!
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:37
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The more I think about it the more I hate that "reunion" scene...*rage*
I can't wait to read the comics once I get them.
I can't wait to read the comics once I get them.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:44
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scmadsen wrote...
You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
I have no idea where BioWare is going to take Liara's story, but this makes the most sense as to why Liara is really angry. She's also guilty for being angry at Shepard, someone she loves. Yes, she's also mad and guilty for all the other stuff, but frankly I will be pissed off if Liara isn't pissed off at Shepard to some degree.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:46
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scmadsen wrote...
You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
I'd be pissed too if someone ditched me for Joker.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:47
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Oh come on you guys are harsh.WilliamShatner wrote...
scmadsen wrote...
You have to admit, that Liara comes off as angry when you meet her again. She seems to be mad at Shepard. I think it's because Shepard made her leave and get off the Normandy, and she also is upset that Shepard went and saved Joker and then died. Leaving her alone and having to deal with all the crap that followed. Liara is upset in ME2, that's clear, and I don't think it's only because of the Shadow Broker.
I'd be pissed too if someone ditched me for Joker.
Shepard told her to get off so that he/she wouldnt have to worry about losing Liara, and while Joker was definitely at fault I can understand why he did what he did.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:48
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Did you guys catch Liara in the latest crew visit? was pretty entertaining.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 03:49
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As I said above, Liara blames herself for Shepard's death. She says so in Redemption.
If Liara were angry at Shepard, she wouldn't be experiencing extreme guilt and fear that Shepard would hate her. Those emotions are kind of mutually exclusive, and are her chief motive. It's just incredible sadness and sorrow, IMO.
If Liara were angry at Shepard, she wouldn't be experiencing extreme guilt and fear that Shepard would hate her. Those emotions are kind of mutually exclusive, and are her chief motive. It's just incredible sadness and sorrow, IMO.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 04:00
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Liara can be angry at Shepard, and still care...in fact, it's because she cares, that she is angry in the first place. She's mad that Shepard told her to go, went and saved Joker, and then died. She's upset that Shepard wanted to make sure she was safe, rather then have her be there till the end, no matter that end. Liara doesn't want protection, she wants a lover to stand beside, not behind.
Liara is also angry that Shepard put duty first, over love. Shepard rushed off to save Joker, rather then get on that pod and be with Liara, safe. She's upset that Shepard risked and died, for someone, rather then being with her. Then she must feel bad for thinking that way, knowing it was the right thing to do. She both loves and hates Shepard for it.
Liara is mad at herself, for not staying with Shepard, she thinks maybe she might of been able to help, and Shepard might not of died. And even if they did die, they would of died together, and maybe they would be in a better place now, together. Either way, they would of been together, and not apart for so long.
Liara is angry at Shepard, because they have been apart for so long. She misses and loves Shepard.
Liara is also angry that Shepard put duty first, over love. Shepard rushed off to save Joker, rather then get on that pod and be with Liara, safe. She's upset that Shepard risked and died, for someone, rather then being with her. Then she must feel bad for thinking that way, knowing it was the right thing to do. She both loves and hates Shepard for it.
Liara is mad at herself, for not staying with Shepard, she thinks maybe she might of been able to help, and Shepard might not of died. And even if they did die, they would of died together, and maybe they would be in a better place now, together. Either way, they would of been together, and not apart for so long.
Liara is angry at Shepard, because they have been apart for so long. She misses and loves Shepard.
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 04:01
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 04:02
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As I said above, Liara blames herself for Shepard's death. She says so in Redemption.
If Liara were angry at Shepard, she wouldn't be experiencing extreme guilt and fear that Shepard would hate her. Those emotions are kind of mutually exclusive, and are her chief motive. It's just incredible sadness and sorrow, IMO.
Agreed, les -- Lia could well be angry, but I think she's angry at herself if anything. Why? ... well the comic gave a BIT of insight into it, but we could definitely use some DLC-provided expansion on those themes.
