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[MassAffected]

I don't think that she would be mad at him for doing his duty as the captain...after melding with him she should be able to understand his actions better than most. I really think its like LET said, she is mad at herself as well as what she had to do in order to get Shepard back. There might be some anger towards Shep, but not over the fact that he was being a good and selfless leader.

[scmadsen]

Why wouldn't she be upset? Can't she be selfish when it comes to Shepard? She clearly loves her/him, and she seems jealous of the duty that came first, before her, and them being safe together. It is perfectly reasonable for her to be upset about this, but also to be ashamed of those thoughts.

It also is fitting and clear, that Liara wants a partner, not a protector. She wants someone to stand beside and not behind. Liara can take care of herself, and doesn't want to be looked down upon. She knows this isn't the case, but also she knows a bit of it is true...Shepard wanted to make sure Liara was safe, and thus told her to go...rather then risk her life, by letting her stay.

Modifié par scmadsen, 22 avril 2010 - 04:11 .

[Sunnie]

Have you never been mad at someone you loved, for something that you know now was the right thing to do? I know I have at least once or twice. It is very much possible that Liara felt the same, and now since she knows it was right is upset with herself as well as Shepard.

[MassAffected]

I get what you're saying, and while it is plausible for her to feel anger and resentment...even jealousy in the moment, I don't think that those feelings would last an entire two years. She knows Shepard and what makes him tick...she would soon understand that being angry with him isn't right/rational. At least that is how I see it, I could very well be wrong about all of this.

[MassAffected]

I can see her being angry with him in the short-term lead into her being angry with herself in the long-term. Is that kind of what you guys are saying and I'm completely missing it?

[Sunnie]

For me, Liara was devistated when Shepard was killed. She did not want to leave, and only did so after Shepard demanded that she leave. Liara was hurting, badly. Hurt turns to anger, than anger turns to hurt again. Once she was able to think more clearly, she realized that what Shepard did was the right thing to do, and so is mad at herself. But the hurt and anger at Shepard will never go away until there is closure, and that closer was not allowed to happen. She loves Shepard but everything is in the way.

[Goodwood]

Here's an idea for discussion:



Assuming that after the events of the Reaper War (meaning ME1, ME2, any future ME2 DLC, and ME3), Shep and Liara both survive and are still committed to a relationship, what kind of "date" activity would you want to have them do first?



I'd love to be able to take Liara to Earth for a few weeks' vacation. Since my main Shep(s) are Colonists who have never been there, it would be a new experience for the both of them. They could visit some of the more interesting sights (read: off the beaten path) and spend some quality time just basking in each other's radiance. Maybe stay out in the wilderness of Canada in summertime for a week (roughing it, of course), or maybe taking a contragravity vehicle through the Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountains. That would certainly make for the fun times.

[jamskinner]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Tali__lover1915 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Tali__lover1915 wrote...

 I'd love to see Liara in ME3 as well, but what about this talk of her having a DLC for ME2???

Is a Liara T'soni DLC in the Works for ME2?

Ah, yes, "Liara DLC."  We have dismissed that claim. 

Ah yes, "Liara DLC". The fabled DLC from BioWare expanding on the Liara T'Soni/Shadow Broker story arc. We have dismissed these claims. 

boooooo! I was soo excited when i first saw this...does anyone have the info for how/why it was dismissed?

Just joking about dismissing it. It's been talked about and talked about and I'm surprised that Internet game sites are just now talking abgout it. 

The reality is the DLC is just speculation.  Some claim that a Liara DLC was planned to come out sometime after the comic was released.  Others claim that the dialogue found on PCs was from a scene that was supposed to be in ME2 but was cut.  Neither BW or EA will comment.  Most agree that Liara's character was handled poorly, but for now it's just free press at Liara's expence. 

It is not speculation unless Mac Walters is speculating in this article.
http://comics.ign.co.../1005868p1.html

Start Quote:


IGN Comics: We know that Bioware is going to be releasing some more
downloadable content for the first Mass Effect that sort of bridges the
gap between that game and the sequel. Is this comic connected in any way
to those stories?




Walters: Actually, our goal right now is to have the story tie to
some of the downloadable content for Mass Effect 2.
That will probably be coming later next year. I don;t think we have
specific dates yet. It's meant to be standalone in the sense that it
explores something we don't necessarily see in the game, but it is
connected to the game, and in the downloadable content we hope to follow
through on some of the events in the comic.




IGN
Comics: Where does this story actually fall in relation to the two
games? Is it set in between the two?




Walters: It's shortly after the opening events of Mass
Effect 2. I can't get into a lot of details on where that is
specifically, but I think people will recognize it when they see it.


:end quote




What happens shortly into ME2?  The Destruction of the Normandy and Shepard's death.

[Sakhalin]

Goodwood wrote...

Here's an idea for discussion:

Assuming that after the events of the Reaper War (meaning ME1, ME2, any future ME2 DLC, and ME3), Shep and Liara both survive and are still committed to a relationship, what kind of "date" activity would you want to have them do first?

I'd love to be able to take Liara to Earth for a few weeks' vacation. Since my main Shep(s) are Colonists who have never been there, it would be a new experience for the both of them. They could visit some of the more interesting sights (read: off the beaten path) and spend some quality time just basking in each other's radiance. Maybe stay out in the wilderness of Canada in summertime for a week (roughing it, of course), or maybe taking a contragravity vehicle through the Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountains. That would certainly make for the fun times.

Earth will definitely be nice, but I'd love to take Liara back to Ilos so she can study the planet in depth.  She seemed so excited when she got to Ilos in ME1, but that visit was cut short because of the mission at the time. Other Prothean ruins would be great as well.  Personally, I want to go to Thessia, so Liara can show ME around.

Modifié par Sakhalin, 22 avril 2010 - 04:38 .

[JaylaClark]

Goodwood wrote...

Here's an idea for discussion:

Assuming that after the events of the Reaper War (meaning ME1, ME2, any future ME2 DLC, and ME3), Shep and Liara both survive and are still committed to a relationship, what kind of "date" activity would you want to have them do first?

I'd love to be able to take Liara to Earth for a few weeks' vacation. Since my main Shep(s) are Colonists who have never been there, it would be a new experience for the both of them. They could visit some of the more interesting sights (read: off the beaten path) and spend some quality time just basking in each other's radiance. Maybe stay out in the wilderness of Canada in summertime for a week (roughing it, of course), or maybe taking a contragravity vehicle through the Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountains. That would certainly make for the fun times.

Ooh, fun thoughts?  I personally think this would also work for a calm moment before the storm.  I do hope there's enough of the Canadian wilderness left in the 22nd century, though...

I'd personally like to hike the Appalachian Trail, myself.  So my Shepard probably wants to do that as well.  IF it still exists.

[Sunnie]

Goodwood wrote...

Here's an idea for discussion:

Assuming that after the events of the Reaper War (meaning ME1, ME2, any future ME2 DLC, and ME3), Shep and Liara both survive and are still committed to a relationship, what kind of "date" activity would you want to have them do first?

I'd love to be able to take Liara to Earth for a few weeks' vacation. Since my main Shep(s) are Colonists who have never been there, it would be a new experience for the both of them. They could visit some of the more interesting sights (read: off the beaten path) and spend some quality time just basking in each other's radiance. Maybe stay out in the wilderness of Canada in summertime for a week (roughing it, of course), or maybe taking a contragravity vehicle through the Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountains. That would certainly make for the fun times.

My Shepard will retire from any type of military service and join Liara on a grand adventure investigating Prothean ruins all over the galaxy, starting with Ilos, which would be a good place for their daughters to see how happy their parents are! Will be a really happy couple of centuries!

[Sakhalin]

^ Good idea, I think my Shepards should retire from military service. They have done enough, saving the galaxy..three times? Haha. Hopefully Shepard can live just as long as Liara, those "upgrades" by Cerberus better be worth something.

[Sakhalin]

Its_Joshiepoo wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

For some reason I don't want to destroy the Shadow Broker...I think that he/she/it is a necessary evil of galactic politics, as Anderson would say.

I think we might have to as I am convinced the shadow broker is a reaper

i dont think so, i think of anything wouldnt tim be more so? another thing saren betrayed the shadow broker in me1, that alone would take away the fact of the shadow broker being a reaper at all considering saren was working for the reapers.

Maybe the Shadow Broker got manipulated/indoctrinated by the reapers, after Saren failed.

[Pronema]

Sakhalin wrote...

Its_Joshiepoo wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

For some reason I don't want to destroy the Shadow Broker...I think that he/she/it is a necessary evil of galactic politics, as Anderson would say.

I think we might have to as I am convinced the shadow broker is a reaper

i dont think so, i think of anything wouldnt tim be more so? another thing saren betrayed the shadow broker in me1, that alone would take away the fact of the shadow broker being a reaper at all considering saren was working for the reapers.

Maybe the Shadow Broker got manipulated/indoctrinated by the reapers, after Saren failed.

Unless there are factions within the reapers, competing for resources after destroying galatic civilization.  But everyone seems to ignore that idea when I bring it up.

Modifié par Pronema, 22 avril 2010 - 05:59 .

[AndroLeonidas]

Sunnie22 wrote...

For me, Liara was devistated when Shepard was killed. She did not want to leave, and only did so after Shepard demanded that she leave. Liara was hurting, badly. Hurt turns to anger, than anger turns to hurt again. Once she was able to think more clearly, she realized that what Shepard did was the right thing to do, and so is mad at herself. But the hurt and anger at Shepard will never go away until there is closure, and that closer was not allowed to happen. She loves Shepard but everything is in the way.

Yes she was devastated for sure. He was her Bondmate (sorry... I play maleshep) And there is no way to determine how much deeper their relationship became after the end of ME1. I'm guessing they melded quite a few more times in the five or six week period before the start of ME2. Going just based on what she said in the first game, the union was a deeply spiritual thing, two beings becoming one.

I think perhaps she might have had some anger at Shep for dying, for sending her away, for leaving her just after they found each other, but I don't think that would have lasted long. This was a man she knew almost as well as he knew himself. I think the anger that we hear is her anger at herself for perhaps not doing more to insure Cerberus didn't do something awful with his body once sh egave it to them. And no doubt because as Les has said so many times, she is afraid Shep will hate her. That was pretty much put to rest if you got the hidden dialogue and were able to get her to talk to you.

As for the other anger... I'm still not so sure there isn't something else involved that we have not seen yet. There could be a remote chance of a child... part of me still thinks that. We don't know how long after a meld that Asari can use the randomized genes from a meld. Could be hours, days or weeks. Probably not... but who knows. There is something else driving her anger and why she can't go with shep. She loves Shep without question... I firmly believe that... but something is stopping her from telling him and leaving with him. Something very big. It's just hard to determine what. The SB storyline is kind of weak in my opinion... once shep was in front of her... her lover and Bondmate... as it stands right now with what we know... I just don't see her doing what she does in ME2. Something else is driving that... and that is where the majoirty of her anger is coming from I think.

Jeez! Did I just make any sense?

[Goodwood]

Sakhalin wrote...

^ Good idea, I think my Shepards should retire from military service. They have done enough, saving the galaxy..three times? Haha. Hopefully Shepard can live just as long as Liara, those "upgrades" by Cerberus better be worth something.

If ME3 starts in a "...ten years later" fashion, I could see this as a possibility, particularly if the fight against the Reapers is drawn out over a long period of time. Otherwise, I couldn't see my Shepards retiring from active service, at least not for a long while yet. The Colonist/War Hero in me learned long ago that "the price of liberty is constant vigilence", and even if going after pirate gangs and Terminus warlords could be considered a "step down" after killing the Reapers, she still considers it vital to "preserve in peace what we have won in war."

Yes, Jefferson and MacArthur are pretty influential on my thinking.

You know what would be even more interesting? Liara choosing to become a justicar after Shepard eventually does kick the bucket (there's no way she'll be able to live as long as an asari, just no way). It would be a reflection of the influence shared between (paragon/paragade) Shepard and Liara during their life together, and would be a great way of keeping Shepard's legacy alive. Plus, any children they have together might find similar roles within galactic society, maybe even becoming Spectres.

[AZ RUSH]

Hey Sunnie22, i just read your sig and now I'm gonna give you a link to a thread... be careful, it might make your head explode.  Just scroll through the pages....Here you go.

[Ulathar]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I tell you what though, fellow Liara lovers, when I type Liara into Google News search, there are now loads of articles pining for our favourite little asari. This one is my favourite, as the writer is a big Liara fan, and was very disappointed with Liara's small role in ME2:

http://games.on.net/...w_in_future_DLC

I want more Liara!

I love the beginning

If there was one aspect of Mass Effect 2 that upset me, it was the severe lack of screen
time for my very favourite crew member, Liara, and thus, the spluttering
halt of my Shepard's ongoing alien romance. My unborn bright blue
virtual babies! Gone!

BW should do as we "demand" and announce this already. I'd go from to

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 22 avril 2010 - 07:42 .

[scmadsen]

Everyday that passes, I lose just a little more hope.