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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:24

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justinnstuff wrote...

The only real inconsistency was the "I couldn't let you go" line coupled with the comics line where Liara ponders why Cerberus wouldn't just bury Shepard and let him go. The rest of it just expanded on what we already knew talking to Liara in ME2.


Justin, it appears that way if you take what Liara says out of context. In reality, after what Miranda tells her about the Lazarus Project, Liara is actually expressing concern that Cerberus will flub it up completely and bring Shepard back as a zombie robo husk monstrosity. She then appears to reconsider her words. It's also an example of Liara lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, rather than her own desire to see her rebuilt, as she says in ME2.

It's just an incredibly clumsy and misleading way of showing the start of Liara's guilt for handing the corpse over to Cerberus. Why do they have to be so convulted and cryptic?

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:24

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Indeed Les, compelling my arse. Quite a few of my friends who played ME1, romanced Liara, then only to dump her in ME2. Main reason: she was 'crazy' and other such things. I try my best to persuade them otherwise, but I don't have much to work with.

Edit: not long till we break the 20,000 barrier.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:25

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

The only real inconsistency was the "I couldn't let you go" line coupled with the comics line where Liara ponders why Cerberus wouldn't just bury Shepard and let him go. The rest of it just expanded on what we already knew talking to Liara in ME2.


Justin, it appears that way if you take what Liara says out of context. In reality, after what Miranda tells her about the Lazarus Project, Liara is actually expressing concern that Cerberus will flub it up completely and bring Shepard back as a zombie robo husk monstrosity. She then appears to reconsider her words. It's also an example of Liara lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, rather than her own desire to see her rebuilt, as she says in ME2.

It's just an incredibly clumsy and misleading way of showing the start of Liara's guilt for handing the corpse over to Cerberus. Why do they have to be so convulted and cryptic?


Hmm, so Liara is worried that Cerberus will rebuild Shepard as a zombie cyborg? Wouldn't that make him a zomborg? Zomborg shep is definitely a scary thought. :o

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:27

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I think the Liara romance pay off will be quite large, as it almost seems like she is semi-canon in regards to loving Shepard.



With that said, I think there is a dark twist in store for her and Shepard before that. Brace yourselves.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:30

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I was here when we hit 700 I'll be here when we hit 800 :)

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Marcin K
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:30

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we are near page 800 ladies and gentleman!!
that deserves some special pics series:
let me present 3 best in my opinion:):
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NUMBER 3:"YOU CAN'T RESIST THAT LOOK"
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NUMBER 2:"HUMMING IN THE ENGINEERING ROOM"
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AND NUMBER 1: "CUTE & SEXY BUT DEADLY ALSO"
that is my ultimate 3 for this event, enjoy:):)
P.S.
i invented the subtitles myself:D:D, do you like them?
3 is not worst it's just numeration -all 3 are equal to me

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Nozybidaj
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:31

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screwoffreg wrote...

I think the Liara romance pay off will be quite large, as it almost seems like she is semi-canon in regards to loving Shepard.

With that said, I think there is a dark twist in store for her and Shepard before that. Brace yourselves.


/shrug  BW did a pretty good job of making me not care at this point anymore.  I really won't be surprised by whatever "dark and amped up" twist comes at this point anyway.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:32

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Marcin, that first one is my favorite of the three.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:32

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screw, I wouldn't say dark, rather sad, heartbreaking, emotional and deep. Liara and Shep really need to open up to each other, to let each other know of their feelings for each other and the suffering they've endured.



I still can't believe when Liara opens her heart all Shepard can think about is the mission...¬_¬

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:32

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screwoffreg wrote...

I think the Liara romance pay off will be quite large, as it almost seems like she is semi-canon in regards to loving Shepard.

With that said, I think there is a dark twist in store for her and Shepard before that. Brace yourselves.


I've been ready for it. I don't fart sunshine and rainbows. I'm expecting something to come up. ;)

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:35

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screw, I wouldn't say dark, rather sad, heartbreaking, emotional and deep. Liara and Shep really need to open up to each other, to let each other know of their feelings for each other and the suffering they've endured.

I still can't believe when Liara opens her heart all Shepard can think about is the mission...¬_¬


See, he/she is already slightly indoctrinated...:blink:

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:35

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I will boldly say the Liara thread churns out the best drawings/art pieces as well as discussion of all the fan threads...or threads in general on the forum!

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:35

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

They actively went way overboard with the whole "rocky second chapter" of the romance.


They didn't even start with that. They may have said it was so, but if there's nothing, it can't be "rocky" either. And that's true for the Ash/Kaidan situation as well. They just yell away, and Shepard stands there and doesn't say or explain anything. Again the most obvious dialogue choices are withheld, just to enforce their vision of keeping Shepard and the LI apart. I can only shake my head every time I see that scene, it's so amateurishly bad and so much in contradiction to what BioWare set out to deliver with ME 1... But fine, if you insist upon a "rocky" development and don't want to leave the choice up to us, then at least make Shepard yell back against our will, so that at least the whole thing makes sense from a pure story telling perspective. It wouldn't be our Shepard anymore, but the way Shepard is forced to act now, it already isn't either.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:36

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Definitely agree with your second choice. The original image was my desktop for nearly a year....
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Just look at her..... her cute little nose, her subtle smile, the curve of her back, her perfect posterior....

*faints*

Modifié par ratzerman, 22 avril 2010 - 07:42 .

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:38

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Well...

I seriously don't see how devs can punish players for cheating ME 1 Lis if they do all what possible in the first place to direct many players direct in "ready for them arms" of ME 2 characters and by the way i still find fact that Tali and Garrus are Lis little too ridiculous since they are ME 1 characters.

No... i am more in agreement that in ME 3 all Lis will be reset and somewhat hint of that is fact that Shepard is kill-able character in ME 2 what is another illogical move which more or less prove that devs have really no idea about creating plausible long term continuity.

Can you imagine that in SW EsB Luke would died in Cloud City because he missed that antena and because of that he would fail to Bespin core... so in RotJ standing over his grave Joda would be forced to train Leia... or Frodo would died in Lotr 2 and further journey would continued only Sam and Gollum.

No... ability to kill main character is inacceptable option in series claiming to be trilogy, unless his/her death would have very solid background explanation.
And heck... even Shepard's death is absolute illogical if entire squad would be killed but even one abducted crew member will reach Normandy then why ONLY Joker stand in airlock door when it was obvious that he will be unable to pull Shepard in...

Getting killed entire squad and whole crew so only Joker remain need really hard work but once again... killing main story character before series conclusion is plainly unacceptable option and that's why see too many hints that ME 3 will suffer as well more or less stand alone complex.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:40

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comic liara pic #1
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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:41

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Well, if Shepard dies in ME 2, that character's story is over...there will be no ME 3 for them

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:43

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ratzerman wrote...

Definitely agree with your second choice. The original image was my desktop for nearly a year....

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Just look at her..... her cute little nose, her subtle smile, the curve of her back, her perfect posterior....

*faints*


ratz...how you just described Liara then...she's perfect. :o

Oh, I think the explanation for how Shepard acts in the Liara reunion is because Miranda DID install a control chip after all. It's kind of like Cartman's V-Chip, everytime Shep thinks of something intimate about Liara, she gets a little zap of electricity. :P

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:44

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Asheer, the ending where Shepard dies is an absolute ending. It doesnt transfer to ME3 at all. Its as fundamental an ending as you will get in ME3.

You are right in one respect, and that its another area where ME fails as a trilogy (since it clearly isnt a trilogy with that ending in mind).

If ME3 turns out like some of us fear, it looks as if Bioware has decided it wants all of the benefits of being a "trilogy" but at none of the costs, like keep a constant momentum going in the story.

As of ME2, things are perfectly ready to be reset for their "standalone" conclusion to this "trilogy".

If ME has taught me one thing, its how capable Bioware are of being full of ****.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:45

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Really just look at her you can't tell me shep wouldn't be hugging extra tight in the reunion scene.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:46

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Deturis90 wrote...

comic liara pic #1
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+1

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:46

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Asheer, the ending where Shepard dies is an absolute ending. It doesnt transfer to ME3 at all. Its as fundamental an ending as you will get in ME3.

You are right in one respect, and that its another area where ME fails as a trilogy (since it clearly isnt a trilogy with that ending in mind).

If ME3 turns out like some of us fear, it looks as if Bioware has decided it wants all of the benefits of being a "trilogy" but at none of the costs, like keep a constant momentum going in the story.

As of ME2, things are perfectly ready to be reset for their "standalone" conclusion to this "trilogy".

If ME has taught me one thing, its how capable Bioware are being full of ****.


Well, technically one of the greatest RPGs of all time, BG II, was a sequel but you never needed to even load up the first game to play it.  As a matter of fact, I never played the first game and the story still had a full impact.  The return characters, like Viconia and Jaheria, develop just as much depth even if you never knew them before. For all intents and purposes, BG II was stand alone...

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:48

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Asheer, the ending where Shepard dies is an absolute ending. It doesnt transfer to ME3 at all. Its as fundamental an ending as you will get in ME3.

You are right in one respect, and that its another area where ME fails as a trilogy (since it clearly isnt a trilogy with that ending in mind).

If ME3 turns out like some of us fear, it looks as if Bioware has decided it wants all of the benefits of being a "trilogy" but at none of the costs, like keep a constant momentum going in the story.

As of ME2, things are perfectly ready to be reset for their "standalone" conclusion to this "trilogy".

If ME has taught me one thing, its how capable Bioware are of being full of ****.


I'll just wait and see if they do the same to dragon age 2. If so all hope is lost. But one can hope.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:50

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Well, Dragon Age was never meant to be a trilogy. If the current Warden does transfer over to the new game, I imagine it may the end of their story.

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Posté 22 avril 2010 - 07:50

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The Redemption depiction of Liara really suffers without her freckles.



If she had those, it'd look quite a bit more like her!
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