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[screwoffreg]

Speaking of BG II, if Feron is still alive, I imagine him being a Yoshimo type character :shockedface:

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Asheer, the ending where Shepard dies is an absolute ending. It doesnt transfer to ME3 at all. Its as fundamental an ending as you will get in ME3.

You are right in one respect, and that its another area where ME fails as a trilogy (since it clearly isnt a trilogy with that ending in mind).

If ME3 turns out like some of us fear, it looks as if Bioware has decided it wants all of the benefits of being a "trilogy" but at none of the costs, like keep a constant momentum going in the story.

As of ME2, things are perfectly ready to be reset for their "standalone" conclusion to this "trilogy".

If ME has taught me one thing, its how capable Bioware are of being full of ****.

Haha, completely agree.  If there is one thing BW's does well it is bull****ing.

This certainly isn't a trilogy at this point.  Three separate adventure stories that all have "Mass Effect" in the title?  Sure.  There isn't however this overarcing story that is tying everything together.  They realy blew it from that perspective with ME2.

[ratzerman]

justinnstuff wrote...
Don't forget the comic needs a "count the freckles" game in the back. 

I'm still hoping for a "Count Liara's freckles while she sleeps next to you" minigame in the DLC.

What?.......................... A guy can dream, can't he?

[Nozybidaj]

Kinda sad that the only positive things we have to post are pictures of Liara from the previous installment.

[smudboy]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Asheer, the ending where Shepard dies is an absolute ending. It doesnt transfer to ME3 at all. Its as fundamental an ending as you will get in ME3.

You are right in one respect, and that its another area where ME fails as a trilogy (since it clearly isnt a trilogy with that ending in mind).

If ME3 turns out like some of us fear, it looks as if Bioware has decided it wants all of the benefits of being a "trilogy" but at none of the costs, like keep a constant momentum going in the story.

As of ME2, things are perfectly ready to be reset for their "standalone" conclusion to this "trilogy".

If ME has taught me one thing, its how capable Bioware are of being full of ****.

Haha, completely agree.  If there is one thing BW's does well it is bull****ing.

This certainly isn't a trilogy at this point.  Three separate adventure stories that all have "Mass Effect" in the title?  Sure.  There isn't however this overarcing story that is tying everything together.  They realy blew it from that perspective with ME2.

Dude, I've noticed, everything you write is gold.  Out of the mouths of babes, and all that.  Well either that or we just agree on much.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, technically one of the greatest RPGs of all time, BG II, was a sequel but you never needed to even load up the first game to play it.  As a matter of fact, I never played the first game and the story still had a full impact.  The return characters, like Viconia and Jaheria, develop just as much depth even if you never knew them before. For all intents and purposes, BG II was stand alone...

Baldurs Gate II was a sequel, but not one that promised to be a continuation. Baldurs Gate finished, and while it by no means closed off further plot, it ended what it started. Edit: Your fued with Sarevok was done. You discovered at the end cutscene there was more to this Children of Bhaal prophecy, and thats what BG II and its expansion delivered on.

ME1 promised that Shepard would find a way to stop the reapers. He is obviously going to do that in ME3, but what weve had in the interim is one great waste of time, thats basically given Bioware an easy way to reset everything so as to be stand alone.

If we had heard the words "stand alone" during ME1s development, many of us wouldnt be here, or if we were, we wouldnt feel cheated.

I think there is a big difference between a so called trilogy thats told from the very first game that there are two more games to follow and they continue the story and incorperate your decisions, compared to the fairly spontaneous nature of Baldurs Gate.

Its funny though, because ME2 doesnt continue or carryover much more than Baldurs Gate II does. Nothing substantial at least. A lot of the times, like Liaras cameo, almost everything is of the same style: written so as to be ambiguous and let the player "fill in the hollow area".

Hollow certainly is a word that describes ME2 for me. Like it or not, they sold ME2 as far more than it actually is. Baldurs Gate II was only ever sold as the second game to Baldurs Gate.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 avril 2010 - 08:02 .

[Jack Package]

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I will boldly say the Liara thread churns out the best drawings/art pieces as well as discussion of all the fan threads...or threads in general on the forum!

I will bodly quote you and agree!!

I looked over the page and read "body count" and thought "AWESOME!!:wizard:"

I was a little disappointed it wasn't about counting dead bodies but I have to admit to your post, though.

[Asheer_Khan]

For me one of the greatest RPG games was first NWN.



Each time when i completed one run and started another i didn't get bored even if i started to known pretty good each locations.

That game was perfect because for example romance plots were pretty well hidden within dialouges and for example keeping Aribeth's ring automaticly end possible romance whit Sharwn or Linu but activated later romance whit Aribeth.



I was slight disappointed when SoU turn on as unrelated to main game but then whit HoU core NWN characters returned (it was fun to chase mimic in Cania).

But then i started to dig around and found great site whit tons of NWN mods and then i found fantastic (but until today uncompleted) mod called Aribeth Revival which takes place right after NWN finale whit option of importing character from main game.



Heck i wish Bioware would actually hired Poecile (that was nickname of the creator) as writer because what he created was so great that during final scene of this mod i was simply stunned how he show scene of ultimate "bonding" between Aribeth and PC.



Too bad that Bioware move away from allowing to fully mod of the game but on the other hand it's difficult to create true mods in fully voiceovered game and that's why we are on Bioware's "mercy" so to speak...

[Nozybidaj]

smudboy wrote...
Dude, I've noticed, everything you write is gold.  Out of the mouths of babes, and all that.  Well either that or we just agree on much.

Hehe, I just call em like I see em.  Some folks will agree, some won't.

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Hollow certainly is a word that describes ME2 for me. Like it or not, they sold ME2 as far more than it actually is. Baldurs Gate II was only ever sold as the second game to Baldurs Gate.

Agreed.  Assuming ME3 does pick up where ME1 left off with the characters and the Reaper threat I feel like I could have completely skipped ME2 and not missed a single thing.  There certainly isn't anything in ME2 that felt important to "my" Shepard.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Agreed.  Assuming ME3 does pick up where ME1 left off with the characters and the Reaper threat I feel like I could have completely skipped ME2 and not missed a single thing.  There certainly isn't anything in ME2 that felt important to "my" Shepard.

Yeah, you see if Bioware had clarified these things earlier, that we were getting a trilogy in the style of say.... Aliens, rather than Star Wars, people might understand.

Instead, they even went so far as to just before ME2s release CONSTANTLY liken it to Empire. Why? Did Empire reset things at the start of the film? Did it focus on a different villain/group of antagonists? Did it throw out the old crew and replace them with new ones?

People will come to their defence and say "video game writing isnt like writing films". Well kiddies, the moral of the story is dont frigging use films as a point of reference if that is the case.

I remember we had Stanley Woo and Chris Priestly trying to counteract this with their "Indiana Jones"/"A song of Ice and Fire" comparisons, which were quite frankly too little too late. We could have done with that garbage when they were selling ME1 to us as an epic trilogy where your choices and influence on the story would cascade throughout all three games.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 avril 2010 - 08:14 .

[screwoffreg]

Yeah, I do think they overpromised a bit with the "your decisions carry over". Still, that doesn't change the fact the conclusion can still be good and we still get the ending we want. At least they werent Peter Molyneux who promised the Galaxy with Fable which turned out to be underwhelming...



Or remember the game Black and White? LMAO

[screwoffreg]

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Modifié par screwoffreg, 22 avril 2010 - 08:22 .

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Agreed.  Assuming ME3 does pick up where ME1 left off with the characters and the Reaper threat I feel like I could have completely skipped ME2 and not missed a single thing.  There certainly isn't anything in ME2 that felt important to "my" Shepard.

Yeah, you see if Bioware had clarified these things earlier, that we were getting a trilogy in the style of say.... Aliens, rather than Star Wars, people might understand.

Instead, they even went so far as to just before ME2s release CONSTANTLY liken it to Empire. Why? Did Empire reset things at the start of the film? Did it focus on a different villain/group of antagonists? Did it throw out the old crew and replace them with new ones?

People will come to their defence and say "video game writing isnt like writing films". Well kiddies, the moral of the story is dont frigging use films as a point of reference if that is the case.

I remember we had Stanley Woo and Chris Priestly trying to counteract this with their "Indiana Jones"/"A song of Ice and Fire" comparisons, which were quite frankly too little too late. We could have done with that garbage when they were selling ME1 to us as an epic trilogy where your choices and influence on the story would cascade throughout all three games.

That is pretty much the long and short of it.  Its a real shame too, ME1 had left them with the perfect setup to do a really epic continuation and do something on the scale of which I don't think video games as a industry has ever seen.  I think it could have really made people look at video games differently as a vehicle for story telling and view it more as a mainstream form of media.

I think the lost oppurtunity there actually has a larger negative impact on the industry as a whole than just being a disappointing sequel.

[screwoffreg]

Also I think we can take pride in the fact that I believe this is the only fan thread a Bioware Mod has not had to run into and tell us to tone it down with a threat of locking it.

[MassAffected]

screwoffreg wrote...

Also I think we can take pride in the fact that I believe this is the only fan thread a Bioware Mod has not had to run into and tell us to tone it down with a threat of locking it.

Now that I think about it...you're right.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

screwoffreg wrote...

Yeah, I do think they overpromised a bit with the "your decisions carry over". Still, that doesn't change the fact the conclusion can still be good and we still get the ending we want. At least they werent Peter Molyneux who promised the Galaxy with Fable which turned out to be underwhelming...

Or remember the game Black and White? LMAO

Well depending on just how "standalone" ME3 is, Bioware may have Molyneuxed so bad they could teach the man a thing or two.

But youre right, ME3 needs to be out first. I held back on my final expectations of ME2 until playing the game: it turned out I shouldnt have, as I was right to be concerned. With ME3, I will simply reserve judgement, but continually expect it to be crap and the final nail in the coffin of disappointment that has been the Mass Effect trilogy since the ME2 hype machine first started with the "Shepard KIA" trailer.

[screwoffreg]

We still have a lot of ME 2 content, some which may be developed in response to some of our concerns. A Liara DLC/Expansion role, smaller tidbits, and of course the mythic romance pack people seemed to have freaked out about...