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[screwoffreg]

bjdbwea wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

MMORPG players are...a different breed

So I hear. I couldn't care less and I guess the MMO will be the first BioWare game I won't purchase, but I wonder if the masses it will no doubt draw will all come to these forums? If so, I wonder how well this approach of "don't talk, don't support" that BioWare has been displaying with their games recently will fly. On the other hand, MMOs are what companies like EA wish for, a constant stream of income, whereas they already got our money and don't need to care about us until the next game is around the corner. So maybe they'll bother more to please the the MMO players, who knows.

Also realize MMORPGs face the constant prospect of losing their subscriber base due to bad design.  I think Blizzard had a stat where it said a signifcant percentage of people who leave WoW for another MMORPG return.  Most MMORPGs have MASSIVE drop off after a few months as well (not WoW of course)

[Sakhalin]

There's definitely enough room for Liara in my cabin. I don't want her anywhere else!

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...
It's hardly apologist to state that one hopes ME  3 will provide a satisfying ending considering that for the most part, every Bioware game so far has done just that.

That is certainly debatable and entirely dependent on one's own opinions.

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...
Also realize MMORPGs face the constant prospect of losing their subscriber base due to bad design.  I think Blizzard had a stat where it said a signifcant percentage of people who leave WoW for another MMORPG return.  Most MMORPGs have MASSIVE drop off after a few months as well (not WoW of course)

That's (both points) because most other MMO's these days suck.

I was actually looking forward to TOR before this whole ME2 fiasco.  No way I am going to give them that kind of money now.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I dont think there is a chance in hell of seeing Liara in Shepards cabin in ME3 (outside of a romantic scene).

That would require Bioware to differentiate between a non-import/non-romanced Liara and a romanced Liara, and I dont think thats at all likely.

No, I suspect if were lucky enough to get her as a squadmate again, well have to do the old "visit the science lab and talk" all over again. I wouldnt be surprised if we get another "reticent" romance all over again, one that almost completely ignores the fact that Shepard and Liara have been together before (because this romance will be open to newbs again, or probably even those who cheated on Liara) and well get another "talk your way to the sex scene before the climactic battle" again.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 avril 2010 - 08:48 .

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I dont think there is a chance in hell of seeing Liara in Shepards cabin in ME3 (outside of a romantic scene).

That would require Bioware to differentiate between a non-import/non-romanced Liara and a romanced Liara, and I dont think thats at all likely.

No, I suspect if were lucky enough to get her as a squadmate again, well have to do the old "visit the science lab and talk" all over again. I wouldnt be surprised if we get another "reticent" romance all over again, one that almost completely ignores the fact that Shepard and Liara have been together before (because this romance will be open to newbs again, or probably even those who cheated on Liara) and well get another "talk your way to the sex scene before the climactic battle" again.

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

[AngryFrozenWater]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It looks like this becoming a full time job.

In addition to the red one...



... there is now also a blue one.



Click the images for instructions on how to to add them to your sig, make them clickable, and how to remove the orange border around them.

I've added that color scheme, because some people wanted it to match other darker sig pics.

TTYL.

Thanks! Your banners are great!

Yes, Liara does indeed love FemShep. :happy:

Thank you. Creating them distracts a bit from playing the game, though.

[screwoffreg]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I dont think there is a chance in hell of seeing Liara in Shepards cabin in ME3 (outside of a romantic scene).

That would require Bioware to differentiate between a non-import/non-romanced Liara and a romanced Liara, and I dont think thats at all likely.

No, I suspect if were lucky enough to get her as a squadmate again, well have to do the old "visit the science lab and talk" all over again. I wouldnt be surprised if we get another "reticent" romance all over again, one that almost completely ignores the fact that Shepard and Liara have been together before (because this romance will be open to newbs again, or probably even those who cheated on Liara) and well get another "talk your way to the sex scene before the climactic battle" again.

The bummer about ME's system is that it is entirely player initiated.  To develop a romance Shepard has to visit the intended object of his affection at certain points and basically do EVERYTHING.

In other Bioware games, relationships had "timers" and triggers where the LI would come to YOU.  It felt more organic for the other person to pull you aside and talk, either before a battle or event or during the game.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

Yeah, thats a perfectly logical outcome at the moment judging by Biowares take on ME2. Our "reward" for staying loyal to Liara is a few nudges and winks while basically almost completely redoing the romance all over again.

Probably with the justification "you were seperated during that rocky second act of the romance, and you have to work to get back together!"

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

Yeah, thats a perfectly logical outcome at the moment judging by Biowares take on ME2. Our "reward" for staying loyal to Liara is a few nudges and winks while basically almost completely redoing the romance all over again.

Probably with the justification "you were seperated during that rocky second act of the romance, and you have to work to get back together!"

That's what BW calls "making things interesting".

[screwoffreg]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

Yeah, thats a perfectly logical outcome at the moment judging by Biowares take on ME2. Our "reward" for staying loyal to Liara is a few nudges and winks while basically almost completely redoing the romance all over again.

Probably with the justification "you were seperated during that rocky second act of the romance, and you have to work to get back together!"

Well, in real life it would be weird as hell to have someone be dead and return.  They made a movie about that with Natalie Portman where she fell in love with her supposedly dead husband's brother...who returns.

Bad things happen.

Anyway, they did say it would be a big payoff and Ill take them at their word until it is proven otherwise.  I do think there will be SOME acknowledgement...

[Asheer_Khan]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I dont think there is a chance in hell of seeing Liara in Shepards cabin in ME3 (outside of a romantic scene).

That would require Bioware to differentiate between a non-import/non-romanced Liara and a romanced Liara, and I dont think thats at all likely.

No, I suspect if were lucky enough to get her as a squadmate again, well have to do the old "visit the science lab and talk" all over again. I wouldnt be surprised if we get another "reticent" romance all over again, one that almost completely ignores the fact that Shepard and Liara have been together before (because this romance will be open to newbs again, or probably even those who cheated on Liara) and well get another "talk your way to the sex scene before the climactic battle" again.

Actually that's pretty easy thing to do.
All what is required is simple event flag check done by next game, similar to events flag check between ME 1 and ME 2.

In case of freshly created Shepard for ME 3 flag marks will remain in off stanceindicated that  we imported completely new character so game will created substitute entry events (however i still can't figured out why ME 2 non imported entry is set up as pure renegade...<_<).

But when you importing Shep flag marks will be active so all what game will need to do is done events check to set up closest as possible to import entry.
That's why (in paragon case) many ME 1 characters do appeared in game.

But i agree whit second part of the post too...
Whit all due respect this whole idea of making each game accessable for newcomers was straight way to kill whole series as unity.

[smudboy]

Nozybidaj wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
It's hardly apologist to state that one hopes ME  3 will provide a satisfying ending considering that for the most part, every Bioware game so far has done just that.

That is certainly debatable and entirely dependent on one's own opinions.

It also supposes that BioWare cherry picks some plot events that didnt' make sense over others, in favor of whatever plot they decide to go with in ME3.  If we can understand the main carry over events from ME1/ME2, there are at least a dozen things that they have to deal with.  Either way, they're going to bulldoze through most loose ends in order for them to get through all the crap they've set themselves up for in telling whatever plot comes about; or neglect them entirely.

[screwoffreg]

At least in DA once you had a romance active you could "enjoy" your partner whenever you wanted.

[bjdbwea]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

Yeah, thats a perfectly logical outcome at the moment judging by Biowares take on ME2. Our "reward" for staying loyal to Liara is a few nudges and winks while basically almost completely redoing the romance all over again.

Probably with the justification "you were seperated during that rocky second act of the romance, and you have to work to get back together!"

You say that like it's a bad thing. Well, it is. But not in comparison to what we got in ME 2. Really, I don't expect anything from BioWare anymore. It wouldn't even surprise me if they killed Liara or just said, "sorry, the romance is OVER, characters change, get used to it". I would of course probably not buy the game, but still. Just like we'll never see a game with the quality of BG 2 again, we will in the foreseeable future not get something as great as ME 1. If we at least get what you describe, I would be happy enough with it - presuming the "new old" romance is nearly of the same quality as in ME 1 of course. If it's more of the same from the ME 2 romances, why bother at all. <_<

Modifié par bjdbwea, 22 avril 2010 - 09:07 .

[Yeled]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

*Sigh...* I really wish someone from staff will come here and give us at least slight support... but propably i am asking for too much.

Me too.  I feel very abandoned by ME2.

[Yeled]

bjdbwea wrote...

Just like we'll never see a game with the quality of BG 2 again, we will in the foreseeable future not get something as great as ME 1.

I never played the BG games.  Is BG2 a true sequel to BG1?  Do the games still resonate like they used to, or if you replay them do they come off as the, what, 15 year old games that they are?

[IndigoWolfe]

screwoffreg wrote...

At least in DA once you had a romance active you could "enjoy" your partner whenever you wanted.

Personally, I felt it was cheaper that way. I really hope that's not what they do in Mass Effect.

And while I'm at it, let's not have any threesomes, casual one-time encounters and whenever-you-please brothels in Mass Effect 3 either. Quite frankly.

[screwoffreg]

Yeled wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Just like we'll never see a game with the quality of BG 2 again, we will in the foreseeable future not get something as great as ME 1.

I never played the BG games.  Is BG2 a true sequel to BG1?  Do the games still resonate like they used to, or if you replay them do they come off as the, what, 15 year old games that they are?

On almost every list of greatest games ever BGII ranks up there.

A pretty amazing RPG, though the graphics have aged...badly.  The story and interactions are still solid.  The combat is  alright, for a D&D game.

Its a true sequel in that it builds of the fundamental premises of the first game and reuses a good number of the characters but makes them more...alive.

[screwoffreg]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

At least in DA once you had a romance active you could "enjoy" your partner whenever you wanted.

Personally, I felt it was cheaper that way. I really hope that's not what they do in Mass Effect.

And while I'm at it, let's not have any threesomes, casual one-time encounters and whenever-you-please brothels in Mass Effect 3 either. Quite frankly.

Well, life expectancy was short in ye olden days so I imagine you took it where you could get it.

[bjdbwea]

Yeled wrote...

I never played the BG games.  Is BG2 a true sequel to BG1?  Do the games still resonate like they used to, or if you replay them do they come off as the, what, 15 year old games that they are?

My opinion? BG 1 is outdated and leaves much to be desired. But BG 2? Different from ME 1, but those two are my favourite games ever. If you can live with (beautiful) 2D graphics, BG 2 doesn't have to hide from any current game as far as story, depth, gameplay, length and replayability are concerned. Oh, and romances too. You'll not find anything better in that regard either. Just remember there are some must-have mods if you ever decide to play the games. Too off-topic here, but you'll find out.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, in real life it would be weird as hell to have someone be dead and return.  They made a movie about that with Natalie Portman where she fell in love with her supposedly dead husband's brother...who returns.

Bad things happen.

Anyway, they did say it would be a big payoff and Ill take them at their word until it is proven otherwise.  I do think there will be SOME acknowledgement...

In fairness screw, it would be weird as hell to have a race of giant "organic constructs" reaping the galaxy. Also it would be weird having a relationship with an alien.

Bioware cant justify this with real life "relationship logic". Liara knew about the chance of Shepard returning - she helped keep it alive.

I just think you have to look at everything in ME3 from a "what is most convenient" standpoint.

Making massive amounts of Liara content in ME3 exclusive to those who have a loyal import is not "convenient", its damn hard work that only a select group of fans will see.

I used to judge Biowares past successes on what their future potential was. It only took one game for that to start. Now the reverse has happened, and ME2 let me down. This isnt about them making a game "not to my specifications", I didnt buy Jade Empire and I wont buy TOR because of those reasons. This is about starting a trilogy in a manner that I like, and almost doing a 180. ME2 now is the game thats made me judge Bioware on that failure, until Im proven wrong. Id be pleased if ME1 could, but the very nature of taking this stance means I cant honestly see it happening.

[JamieCOTC]

bjdbwea wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm getting much the same feeling that we will basically be redoing the whole romance all over again.  I really don't see much hope for ME3 at this point being anything other than just another serving of what we got in ME2.

Yeah, thats a perfectly logical outcome at the moment judging by Biowares take on ME2. Our "reward" for staying loyal to Liara is a few nudges and winks while basically almost completely redoing the romance all over again.

Probably with the justification "you were seperated during that rocky second act of the romance, and you have to work to get back together!"

You say that like it's a bad thing. Well, it is. But not in comparison to what we got in ME 2. Really, I don't expect anything from BioWare anymore. It wouldn't even surprise me if they killed Liara or just said, "sorry, the romance is OVER, characters change, get used to it". I would of course probably not buy the game, but still. Just like we'll never see a game with the quality of BG 2 again, we will in the foreseeable future not get something as great as ME 1. If we at least get what you describe, I would be happy enough with it - presuming the "new old" romance is nearly of the same quality as in ME 1 of course. If it's more of the same from the ME 2 romances, why bother at all. <_<

I wonder if Liara will spend most of her time explaining Asari culture again in ME3?