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[Sikayda]

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker... Because you know, i doubt she wants to hold hands and sing koom-bai- ya with the SB.

Modifié par Sikayda, 22 avril 2010 - 10:56 .

[WilliamShatner]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...


:steps in:
Here are some figures. http://www.vgchartz....7635&region=All
http://www.vgchartz....8815&region=All

Much higher initial sales, but it drops off to a lower sales level.  Whether that's because of a saturated market or what, hard to say.
:steps out:

I wouldnt necessarily trust VGchartz as a definitive though. Not to say they are wrong, but I think its best to look at those scores as somewhat dubious so as to be safe.

vgchartz uses stats obtained directly from retailers so I would trust their figures more than any publisher who will do anything to pad their figures to make their sales look good.

[Jax Sparrow]

Anyone know where I can find a bigger version of this image?  and/or where it came from?  Ratzerman said it came from pre ME1 but I have yet to find it anywhere... including BioWare Mass Effect websites.

[Asheer_Khan]

I dare to say that LotR is one of the examples of perfect made movie trilogy.

I read once Jackson's interview where he described that movie team was debating way how to make whole movie and they decided that best possible option is to split whole production at three parts.

To finish this movie off topicnes i wonder in what kind of trilogy Avatar will turn out.



As for the ME games... i think that word trilogy can be used in decryption ONLY whit help of airquotes and add on "Ah Yes..."

[WilliamShatner]

It's a pity none of the crew walk around and talk to each other in Mass Effect which that screen kind of suggests would happen. If Obilivion can do it with hundreds of NPCs surely BioWare could make damn good interaction with only 10-20(?) NPCs on the Normandy.

[wolf99000]

WilliamShatner wrote...

It's a pity none of the crew walk around and talk to each other in Mass Effect which that screen kind of suggests would happen. If Obilivion can do it with hundreds of NPCs surely BioWare could make damn good interaction with only 10-20(?) NPCs on the Normandy.

maybe now we have a bar we might get that more hell even have them sitting down and eating a meal and talking about stuff would be good

[Asheer_Khan]

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

WilliamShatner wrote...

vgchartz uses stats obtained directly from retailers so I would trust their figures more than any publisher who will do anything to pad their figures to make their sales look good.

From what I hear they are also guilty of a lot of guesswork as well.

Like I said when all this started, its not an area where there is really a reliable outlet for this.

That NPD seems to be the widely accepted one from what Ive seen, and I hear vgchartz even takes their cues from their figures.

[Goodwood]

WilliamShatner wrote...

It's a pity none of the crew walk around and talk to each other in Mass Effect which that screen kind of suggests would happen. If Obilivion can do it with hundreds of NPCs surely BioWare could make damn good interaction with only 10-20(?) NPCs on the Normandy.

A more appropriate comparison would be the crew conversations from Knights of the Old Republic II, which I think ME2 should have had. The KotOR II system was built on a series of triggers, which should theoretically be more than feasable with the engine that the Mass Effect series uses...

[Asheer_Khan]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

Anyone know where I can find a bigger version of this image?  and/or where it came from?  Ratzerman said it came from pre ME1 but I have yet to find it anywhere... including BioWare Mass Effect websites.

i think that's one of the earliest Xbox (don't forget that ME was originally planned as XBox exclusive only)  ME game concept screenshots (heck even Lia have white coat) and you should try more general seach , for example typing - Mass Effect screenshots

[wolf99000]

Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:



* The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.



* The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.



* The Matriarch stage begins around 700 years of age, or later if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space.



However, it should be noted that, each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity. While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices.



I was just reading this and wondering if this played a hand in liara being where she is now if she moved from her maidan stage because she found shepard and wanted to settle down with shepard starting her matron stage just the line about unexpected life choices seems to fit liara right now

[Sikayda]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. What Liara hunting the SB for being wronged?, oh "By the stars no!" Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

Modifié par Sikayda, 22 avril 2010 - 11:11 .

[MassAffected]

wolf99000 wrote...

Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:

* The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.

* The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.

* The Matriarch stage begins around 700 years of age, or later if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space.

However, it should be noted that, each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity. While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices.

I was just reading this and wondering if this played a hand in liara being where she is now if she moved from her maidan stage because she found shepard and wanted to settle down with shepard starting her matron stage just the line about unexpected life choices seems to fit liara right now

If we look at how she acts in ME2 then it would seem she skipped all the way to Matriarch.

[JamieCOTC]

WilliamShatner wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Using James Cameron as an example,  both Aliens and T2 are significantly lighter and more hopeful than their predecessors and there aren't many people who would say they aren't as interesting or exciting as the originals.

Also in terms of a romance story, the second act of Titanic is not the "darkest act" (in reference to ME2 dark act of the romance structure), it is probably the most fun part of the film where the two leads have fun and you know, act like they're in a relationship (act one - meeting and start of relationship, act two - exploring the relationship).  The "dark" act is the third.  Not all stories need to follow the same structure.

Trilogy, mate.  Notice the key word.  Most movies pass through phases that vary a lot and I am sure you'll find a trilogy that doesn't match my point.  Darker is a bad word, perhaps introducing more conflict, both internal and external, as well as leaving an ending that does not satisfy.

Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back has a lot of revelations and ends with a Han Solo captured and uncertain futures for the characters. 

Godfather2 : Killing your brother counts as rough.  Though I will say the series should have stopped here...I pretend the third movie doesn't exist...

Lord of the Rings: Second movie had some sadness to it with the Fellowship over and everyone growing distant, but it had a lot of hopeful scenes as well.  The Two Towers is actually my favorite movie for Theoden's monologue alone...

Anyway, my point is the second part of a series usually introduces a lot of new, and sometimes jarring, material and issues that can at times seem hopeless/rough/dark/whatever you want to title it.  They aren't usually resolved and they carry over to the end.

ME 2 is a mixed bag, but overall I still think that several of its open plot "roads" can end well and be salvaged to those who think it was crap.  I personally got my money's worth and enjoy the series very much, in SPITE of my feelings about certain characters and plot points.

I know we try to forget them but there was an Alien 3 and Terminator 3.

Personally I am against calling films/games "second acts of trilogies" or some crap like that because nowadays it's use more to excuse poor and lazy writing than anything else. 

Personally a trilogy should only be made if:

1.) The story requires it.
2.) The writer(s) has a clear idea of where the story is going and what each part is going to achieve (<--- I highly doubt this one in the case of ME2).
3.) Each part of the trilogy stands on its own.

Now by stands on its own I don't mean the "doesn't require seeing the previous film to understand" or "is allowed to ignore logical consistancy and continuity from the previous part" but stand alone in the sense that it works on its own as a cohesive dramatic work, just like the first part or third part, or if there was only one film.  You can't say "wait until part three for this part to be fixed".  That means part two doesn't stand on its own and that means it fails.  At the end of Empire Strikes Back we are not waiting for bewildering elements of the film to be explained or questioning what the hell certain characters were doing;  we waiting for the next part of the overall story because Empire Strikes Back works as a self contained film even if it leaves the doors opens for a finale.

Using the examples of Han Solo in Empire and (and a lesser extent) Fredo in Godfather II.  Both characters were served well in the sequels.  We had two full films to see and grow attached to the characters before their shocking moments come.  ME2 could have been handled similarly.  We could have had Liara, Ashley and Kaidan in our squad for the entire game and then the moment of peril, or the raising of the stakes could have occured.  That way we would have had two full games spend with them and our attachment to the characters would have grown, and it would have felt dramatically powerful and shocking.  Instead with them cast aside we are left empty, bewildered and angry, and the characters are not served at all well.

This should be wriiten in stone and mounted somewhere in BioWare's headquarters. 

[WilliamShatner]

Goodwood wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

It's a pity none of the crew walk around and talk to each other in Mass Effect which that screen kind of suggests would happen. If Obilivion can do it with hundreds of NPCs surely BioWare could make damn good interaction with only 10-20(?) NPCs on the Normandy.

A more appropriate comparison would be the crew conversations from Knights of the Old Republic II, which I think ME2 should have had. The KotOR II system was built on a series of triggers, which should theoretically be more than feasable with the engine that the Mass Effect series uses...

But they were cutscenes in which one or two squadmates would talk.  It didn't really add a sense of life to the ship as you moved around.  I'm thinking along the lines like in ME2 when you past some of the crew in the mess hall, they talk a couple of lines to each other.  But it all seems very scripted and weak as it is.  It would be much better if the crew would walk around and start conversations with each other.

Squad interaction was one the main things I hope they'd improve in ME2.  But like the Mako, they shatter my dreams and just cut it out. 

I didn't really like the way conversation with your squadmates was handled in KOTOR2.  I liked the characters but there seemed to be far less dialogue with them than in KOTOR and some of the triggers to get to talk were oblique to say the least.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 22 avril 2010 - 11:17 .

[JamieCOTC]

Sikayda wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. What Liara hunting the SB for being wronged?, oh "By the stars no!" Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

We need a "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign, me thinks.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[AZ RUSH]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. What Liara hunting the SB for being wronged?, oh "By the stars no!" Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

We need a "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign, me thinks.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

What about a video?

[JamieCOTC]

besides, THIS  is the theme for Liara.

I'm sure BioWare wishes. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 22 avril 2010 - 11:23 .

[Sikayda]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. What Liara hunting the SB for being wronged?, oh "By the stars no!" Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

We need a "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign, me thinks.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

I really hope your not calling me a troll for clerifying Liara's desire to kill the shadow broker... If so either we are not playing the same game or your just a portion of a group of Fanatical Liara fans who wont tolerate any talk of Liara that dosen't make her out to be saint, if the latter please seek mental help.

[Asheer_Khan]

Sikayda wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

None taken... and wgat you described is just perect example how bad devs srewed up this entire situation, because there is way too many conflicting between eachothers informations about Lia's reasons why she behave like she behave...

Why Lia is so different from Aribeth or even Bastila that people so easy jump at the conclusion that she falls on the dark side and turned itself in some sort "wanabe Benezia" personality is beyond my understanding.
Hell even Benezia wasn't evil before she joined Saren and fall in trap of Sovieregin's indoctrination.
She might be harsh for Lia in her child times but that's was dictated by fact that Liara is pureblood Asari... one of the most dissrespeted in thier society birth root 9just listening talks between two Asari near that terminal where you meet Erinia(Shiala quest) and you will known what i mean).
So Benezia needed to teach Lia how to take care on herself in really harsh for  her Thesian social surrounding.

And please people, let's stop pretending that Illum is law paradise and everyone there have clear police  files...
If you dont have money there you will end in about 80% propability end as someones slave (Quarian SE quest), many stuff which can be bought there might have questionable legal certificates...
So in other words if you want to achieve success on Illum you NEED to be shark personality or you will be eaten by other sharks which only wait for your mistake to kick you out of business.
I think Garrus pretty well sumarized whole Illum situation... that planet is more dangerous than lower decks of the citadel and because of that Lia would not be able to achieve her status playing nice Asari girl but she needed to show some "claws" in order to secure her position there.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 22 avril 2010 - 11:35 .

[JamieCOTC]

JamieCOTC wrote...

besides, THIS  is the theme for Liara.

I'm sure BioWare wishes. 

I can see it now.  In order to gain revenge against the SB and keep her love alive eternally she will side w/ Harbinger and become his number one apprentice and wipe out all the Specters.  Later Liara will face against Shepherd on some isolated volcano planet where she is presumably killed.  Heartbroken, Shepard will go into hiding, but keep studying the ways of the Specdfters and honing her biotics.  Years later, in Mass Effect IV, a mysterious black clad Asari cyborg will lead ground assaults to clean out any rebellion to the ascension.   But two twins born on Illium, one Asari and the other human, will become the new hope for the galaxy.