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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To be honest, I do think Liara's romance suffers a little bit in ME1 due to the fact that she can be picked up quite late. They had to limit the amount of romantic discussions you could have with Liara, and alot of the romance development has been consequently condensced down.

You can perfectly see where they were going with Liara's romance, I love how it develops from an interest in Shepard on a scientific level, and then through nurturing her interest by talking to her, it develops into romantic attraction, before the absolutely beautiful discussion you have with Liara in which she talks about how much the asari union means to her, and how deep, special and spiritual it is. The development is great, and shows how Liara's interest becames tru, deep love. Sadly though, they were forced to condensce it into a few conversations. But hey, at least we also get the beautiful locker scene, and the night before Ilos!

Liara's romance remains my absolute favourite though. No other LI or romance compares to it at all.

It is the best. The Ash romance is very similar but it misses the atmosphere, the mind-meld thing just adds much more. Also I agree that the discussions you can have are okay. I watched my brother play ME 1 and the discussions he had with Ash as romance were not better all in all, the Liara dialogues didn't feel inferior to me. I recruited Liara on my first playthrough after Feros and Noveria. So I got the hallucination dialogue in the bubble, it was awesome! Ash/Kaidan doesn't get that.

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JaylaClark wrote...

Yeah, we almost HAVE to love the OP of this amazing thread ... but there were a lot of good points in here, I've got to admit.  The problem is, sometimes we do idealize the game just a bit...

I was speaking to my brother earlier in the week, and he said something about something I didn't even notice anymore about the first game.  "Wait, her mother died and she's confessing her attraction?"  I do believe that's called Mood Whiplash to some people, even though I think they did a decent job to mitigate it with her realistically stoic attitude. 

Still, we really did not get everything we wanted, or should have wanted, in the first game.  We get a lot about asari culture, but nothing about Lia's experience in college or how she managed to brush off being a known 'pureblood' so well -- probably better than the asari arguing with the batarian-fathered asari did.  AND we got everything stuck together in those conversations.

Okay, Dragon Age has moved up in my eyes, it's encroaching on ME's 'favorite game ever' title.  (Amazingly, ME2 is still in the top ten.  I know, right?)

It is true there is alot of that in this thread, and I'll admit to a bit of it myself. But I do try and keep things in perspective. I can be a rabid fan of Liara in one moment, totally pessimistic in the next, and to round it all out, I try to be relaxed and easy going. Life is too short to take so seriously, let alone something that's meant to be entertainment. Find those little moments that bring joy and ignore the stuff that doesn't. You'll live longer be happier.

Death can put life in perspective for people. As morbid as it sounds, people get horny at funerals, and alot of people meet and make connections at them. It's an odd thing, but when you see death, you think about life, it's just something people do. You want to grab a hold of what you can, because you might lose it tomorrow. You want to bring life into the world because you just saw how fleeting it can be. It makes death easier to deal with, when you feel you have control over life, if not your own, then making of a new one.

I know we'd all love to learn more about Liara and her past. However you know it will never happen, unless it's a book, that takes place before the events of ME1. Liara is 106/108, that's a long life time to cover and lots of adventures happened in that time, I'm sure. I'd for one buy that book. But you know they will never take the time put that information in game, it'd take too much time and cost too much.

Just remember, that Shepard knows everything about Liara and that has to be good enough, because we aren't going to get better then that. It's a little bonus we have, over the other LIs, it makes it all feel deeper, knowing that Shepard and Laira have shared every detail of their whole lives with each other.

As for Dragon Age...I got it thinking I might not really like it, but I was surprised when I did. Best game ever? No, not by a long shot...but it's not bad, and that's about as good as you can hope, in this day and age.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...


We don't mind. I think ME3 will be the end of all the romance related drama (thank god). I agree that we got it better than Ash/Kaidan. That reunion was a tad bit short and ended with an email. The one thing that bothered me more than anything else during the reunion scene was when she shook her head after the kiss, well it's tied with Shepard going  the entire time.

...was THIS.

Hmm?

It is linked to my previous post, I don't know how to quote 2 posts at once.
Both posts combined I wrote that this was the worst thing in the Illium reunion.

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Yeah, we almost HAVE to love the OP of this amazing thread ... but there were a lot of good points in here, I've got to admit.  The problem is, sometimes we do idealize the game just a bit...

I was speaking to my brother earlier in the week, and he said something about something I didn't even notice anymore about the first game.  "Wait, her mother died and she's confessing her attraction?"  I do believe that's called Mood Whiplash to some people, even though I think they did a decent job to mitigate it with her realistically stoic attitude. 

Still, we really did not get everything we wanted, or should have wanted, in the first game.  We get a lot about asari culture, but nothing about Lia's experience in college or how she managed to brush off being a known 'pureblood' so well -- probably better than the asari arguing with the batarian-fathered asari did.  AND we got everything stuck together in those conversations.

Okay, Dragon Age has moved up in my eyes, it's encroaching on ME's 'favorite game ever' title.  (Amazingly, ME2 is still in the top ten.  I know, right?)

To be honest, I do think Liara's romance suffers a little bit in ME1 due to the fact that she can be picked up quite late. They had to limit the amount of romantic discussions you could have with Liara, and alot of the romance development has been consequently condensced down.

You can perfectly see where they were going with Liara's romance, I love how it develops from an interest in Shepard on a scientific level, and then through nurturing her interest by talking to her, it develops into romantic attraction, before the absolutely beautiful discussion you have with Liara in which she talks about how much the asari union means to her, and how deep, special and spiritual it is. The development is great, and shows how Liara's interest becames tru, deep love. Sadly though, they were forced to condensce it into a few conversations. But hey, at least we also get the beautiful locker scene, and the night before Ilos!

Liara's romance remains my absolute favourite though. No other LI or romance compares to it at all.

Oh, undoubtedly so... but I still missed the KotOR system where we could have multiple significant conversations per main world.  And lo and behold, Dragon Age gave me that and a cute redhead to boot.  Though my characters tend to be redheads, too, so that confuses the Leli mission a bit.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

It is the best. The Ash romance is very similar but it misses the atmosphere, the mind-meld thing just adds much more. Also I agree that the discussions you can have are okay. I watched my brother play ME 1 and the discussions he had with Ash as romance were not better all in all, the Liara dialogues didn't feel inferior to me. I recruited Liara on my first playthrough after Feros and Noveria. So I got the hallucination dialogue in the bubble, it was awesome! Ash/Kaidan doesn't get that.

Oh I agree totally. I adore the romance convos with Liara, they're beautiful, I absolutely love them. It's just the amount of them, because Liara can be recruited late they had to limit how many they could do. Whereas Ash and Kaidan have a couple more, as you have them from the start of the game.

I love it when Liara declares her interest, you reciprocate, and then Liara's excitement:

I knew it! I knew you felt the same way about me!

Well I got this statement in German but it was also nice, I really like Liara's German voice dub! With my playthrough this discussion was the one I had after I lost Ash on Virmire (more or less unintentionally, I was not used to RPG's and decision making and stuff). So I was really sad, had the different music, went  to talk to Liara and then she confesses her love. I didn't knew for sure she would be romancable (I knew NOTHING about ME1 before I started playing) and i think that this was one of the most emotional scenes from my playthrough. It was not only an act of comfort but also a reeeeally nice surprise!

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justinnstuff wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...


We don't mind. I think ME3 will be the end of all the romance related drama (thank god). I agree that we got it better than Ash/Kaidan. That reunion was a tad bit short and ended with an email. The one thing that bothered me more than anything else during the reunion scene was when she shook her head after the kiss, well it's tied with Shepard going  the entire time.

...was THIS.

Hmm?

YES YES YES YES

Liara: Hello sheppard
Shep:
Ash/Kaidan: I loved you
Shep:

[Jack Package]

justinnstuff wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

Well I got this statement in German but it was also nice, I really like Liara's German voice dub! With my playthrough this discussion was the one I had after I lost Ash on Virmire (more or less unintentionally, I was not used to RPG's and decision making and stuff). So I was really sad, had the different music, went  to talk to Liara and then she confesses her love. I didn't knew for sure she would be romancable (I knew NOTHING about ME1 before I started playing) and i think that this was one of the most emotional scenes from my playthrough. It was not only an act of comfort but also a reeeeally nice surprise!

I got lucky like that too. I ran into the game with no clue, and learned Liara was romanceable. It was an awesome surprise I'll never forget! 

Yea, I had no idea at all, I even though she might be on her mothers side, thats why I first visited Feros and Noveria. I thought that the Liara mission will end in a bossfight between Shep and Liara. But then there she was in that bubble and hallucinating, it was adorable.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

I'm no Liara lover but as i was searching for music to download last night i ran across this song in which the lyrics perfectly describes Liara in ME2.

Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire (Zeds Dead Remix)

Ciao.

I'll seek you out,
Flay you alive
One more word and you won't survive
And I'm not scared of your stolen power
I see right through you any hour

I won't soothe your pain
I won't ease your strain
You'll be waiting in vain
I got nothing for you to gain
...

Really?  Or are these things you think Liara would say to the SB?

Well she already threatened to Flay someone alive, and the rest perfectly describes her homicidal obssesion to kill the shadow broker.

"Ah Yes... Liara is evil"... We have REJECTED that claims... and  by the way sorry to disappoint you but you are very wrong in your assumptions.

Yes lets pretend liara isin't obssesed with killing the SB, she would never dare threatened to flay someone with her mind, Yes she is so going to show mercy on the SB and not be tempted to harm him in the slightest sense. What Liara hunting the SB for being wronged?, oh "By the stars no!" Shes tottally suger and rainbows in ME2, the song only reminds me of her desire to get at the SB i never said she was evil, and if someone thought that they clearly got the wrong message. If i wanted to find a song to describe liara's natural personality i'd go pull up some Celine Dion cry in your arms after we make love crap, no offense..

We need a "Don't Feed The Trolls" sign, me thinks.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

I really hope your not calling me a troll for clerifying Liara's desire to kill the shadow broker... If so either we are not playing the same game or your just a portion of a group of Fanatical Liara fans who wont tolerate any talk of Liara that dosen't make her out to be saint, if the latter please seek mental help.

Actually, I think it would be quite interesting if Liara became the main villain for ME3.  That is something ME2 was lacking, unless you count TIM, though not everyone does.   I have no problem thinking Liara capable of all kinds of nasties, but formulating that opinion in a jest seems like you’re just egging people on, looking for a fight.  I’m certain if I were to go into the Tali thread and point out that she has “chicken feet” I would be burned at the stake.  While a valid truth, I still know not to do it.  Anyway, if jest was not your intent, sorry. No hard feelings. 

Apology accepted,

As i said the song only reminded me of Liara personality in ME2. Which is all we get to really see. her focus on the SB. I didn't intend to make it seem as if it was her anthem though i apoligize if it came off that way. I have yet to read the Redemption comics so i do not know yet If Liara's grudge is justifiable or not, and until i do i won't take a side. I'm not "Chewing on the walls crazy" for Liara nor do i have any hate for her. Shes just another of my Shep's friends/ally's who's been there for him, and he would return the favor if it did not conflict with his ideal's.

[Jack Package]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, don't be stupid, Liara. Humans don't come here, you're hallucinating. And talking to yourself now, too! Oh Goddess, I'm going to die here!

So adorable!

It is a shame though that the only version of it I found on youtube is with a moron of an ugly renegade shep that annoys the hell out of me. <_<


EDIT:


ok, found another one, also renegade but this is not that bad like that with the femshep

Modifié par Jack Package, 23 avril 2010 - 01:03 .

[JaylaClark]

Jack Package wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, don't be stupid, Liara. Humans don't come here, you're hallucinating. And talking to yourself now, too! Oh Goddess, I'm going to die here!

So adorable!

It is a shame though that the only version of it I found on youtube is with a moron of an ugly renegade shep that annoys the hell out of me. <_<


EDIT:


ok, found another one, also renegade but this is not that bad like that with the femshep

Still, someone who's intentionally doing a double-playthrough should take one for the team and go get her late.  And 'tube it.

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JaylaClark wrote...


Still, someone who's intentionally doing a double-playthrough should take one for the team and go get her late.  And 'tube it.

Yes! I have fraps but I can not do it for various reasons. 1) ME1 only in German, so not understandable for most. 2) ME1 won't start and crashed every time instead of showing the start-vids. 3)the PC is broken anyway, I must repair something with the mainboard.
But if someone else puts it up on youtube it would be nice.  There should really be a friendly discussion with hallucinating Liara.
Ah and there should also be a German video of Liara on youtube, from whichever scene, I think I even like her German voice better.