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[bjdbwea]

Jack Package wrote...

In the trilogy the middle part is always the hardest to do. Liara was stalled and kept away from your squad in ME2 and I am optimistic that in ME 3 the plot around her will be awesome. The devs were just bound to the guideline that ME1 LIs should not die and.. well... it wasn't handled the best way possible I'd say..

If I hear that one more time...

Please. It doesn't excuse anything. It may be harder to do, but it's far from impossible. The matter of the fact is that indeed all additional parts of a trilogy, and all that continuity stuff, isn't a trivial thing to write. It is always going to require more effort and time than writing one self-contained story. But if you aim and promise to create a trilogy, you better make sure you are up to it - or leave it be and make stand-alone games. Which is in effect almost what they did, but of course they pretend otherwise (to boost sales no doubt). Fine, but then I'll judge it by that standard too and will expect what can be expected.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 avril 2010 - 11:42 .

[bergerrz]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

You can go round and round, but the scene remains a prime example of bad and lazy writing.

I think this is ultimately what we're both guilty of at the moment, Dink. Interpreting alot of what happens between Liara and Shepard in the reunion scenes is like trying to rationalise the actions of a mental patient with bipolar disorder. You can't.

I take what you're saying about Liara letting Shep go off again into another mission. Again, I reiterate that any mission, people can die in. Liara trust Shepard enough though to realise that she'll be okay, and that she's pretty much not needed. Take what you're saying to it's logical extreme, but should a husband and wife not kiss each other goodbye in the morning to go to work, and leave each other? After all, one of them could get run over by a bus, or struck by lightning. But they trust each other to know that they'll be alright.

My mantra has always been to wait for the Liara DLC to clear everything up, and I'm sticking by that. The reunion scene is hacked to pieces and slapped together, and I believe this is because alot of the Liara content is going to be tackled in the DLC, where we're finally going to get some proper interaction with her.

PPL please listen to LesEnfantsTerribles, Just wait for the DLC

[Jack Package]

bjdbwea wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

In the trilogy the middle part is always the hardest to do. Liara was stalled and kept away from your squad in ME2 and I am optimistic that in ME 3 the plot around her will be awesome. The devs were just bound to the guideline that ME1 LIs should not die and.. well... it wasn't handled the best way possible I'd say..

If I hear that one more time...

Please. It doesn't excuse anything. It may be harder to do, but it's far from impossible. The matter of the fact is that indeed all additional parts of a trilogy, and all that continuity stuff, isn't a trivial thing to write. It is always going to require more effort and time than writing one self-contained story. But if you aim and promise to create a trilogy, you better make sure you are up to it - or leave it be and make stand-alone games. Which is in effect almost what they did, but of course they pretend otherwise. Fine, but then I'll judge it by that standard to and will expect what can be expected.

Well, actually we do not disagree on this one. It is the hardest part, but it doesn't excuse anything as it can be done good as you said it. But it wasn't, like I said "it wasn't handled the best way possible".
My intention was to say that I think that in ME3 it will be better.

[bergerrz]

bjdbwea wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

In the trilogy the middle part is always the hardest to do. Liara was stalled and kept away from your squad in ME2 and I am optimistic that in ME 3 the plot around her will be awesome. The devs were just bound to the guideline that ME1 LIs should not die and.. well... it wasn't handled the best way possible I'd say..

If I hear that one more time...

Please. It doesn't excuse anything. It may be harder to do, but it's far from impossible. The matter of the fact is that indeed all additional parts of a trilogy, and all that continuity stuff, isn't a trivial thing to write. It is always going to require more effort and time than writing one self-contained story. But if you aim and promise to create a trilogy, you better make sure you are up to it - or leave it be and make stand-alone games. Which is in effect almost what they did, but of course they pretend otherwise (to boost sales no doubt). Fine, but then I'll judge it by that standard too and will expect what can be expected.

I can not explain it better.

[bjdbwea]

Jack Package wrote...

Well, actually we do not disagree on this one. It is the hardest part, but it doesn't excuse anything as it can be done good as you said it. But it wasn't, like I said "it wasn't handled the best way possible". My intention was to say that I think that in ME3 it will be better.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

Fair enough. I've just read that line too often as an excuse. Even if ME 3 turns out to be fantastic, how does that excuse the bad job done with ME 2?

But you didn't mean it that way, so sorry for interpreting your post the wrong way. Unfortunately I find it hard to share your optimism about ME 3.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 avril 2010 - 12:02 .

[Jack Package]

bjdbwea wrote...

Fair enough. I hope you're right, but I've read that line too often as an excuse. Even if ME 3 turns out to be fantastic, how does that excuse the bad job done with ME 2? Unfortunately I find it hard to share your optimism about ME 3.

Well I am optimistic on the one hand but afraid on the other that it could all be screwed up... Some supposedly "clever twists", some added drama... it is easy to screw things up when your trying to make it "super-awesome". I am afraid the devs could overdo it.
Argh, let's just wait for upcoming DLSs at first.

[vinak]

I really like Liara. she was my LI in most of my ME1 games. But after witnessing what she has become ME3, along with the possible DLC for ME3 involving her. I am not so sure I even want to see her again.

The direction that was taken with her is just completely illogical and frankly, not very plausible.

Her insistence on getting revenge. How does an archeologist turn into mob boss? Her refusal to help the man/woman she fell in love with? wtf is up with that? how is a friend more important than your significant other? Especially after learning this person is actually alive after two years.(I guess you weren't that fascinating after all)

Even if she can't get over her loss of a friend (you are just chopped liver to her now) How come She can't continue her vendetta from the Normandy? Shepard seems to be able to solve galactic problems from the ship just fine.

Modifié par vinak, 24 avril 2010 - 12:36 .

[Jack Package]

justinnstuff wrote...

I think we'll hear something about DLC here at E3.

That'd be great!

Seems as if everyone left the thread, I wonder in which timezones the people here live.

[IndigoWolfe]

Jack Package wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

I think we'll hear something about DLC here at E3.

That'd be great!

Seems as if everyone left the thread, I wonder in which timezones the people here live.

Eastern Standard for me. Although it is getting late...

[bergerrz]

This is just befor ME1. Think about it.

[Jack Package]

Mountain Time zone? Eastern Standard?

North American timezones, I presume.



I'm Central European Time (CET), we already have 2:58 AM...^^

[bergerrz]

jlb524 wrote...

Yes, the other thread is still going, but that's more of a place where you can critique Liara's lack of ME2 romance content. This can be a shiny-happy Liara thread!

Agreed, liara was only trying to help and explain that it was needeed to distract shep to do his/her job to distract the collectors in this mission. Only!

[Sunnie]

well well, quite the heat in our thread today! Work week is over, yay! Evening all!

[kraidy1117]

Empire strikes back story was just like ME2. It was hated by the fans. RotJ came out and now Empire Strikes back is a fan fav. The same could happen to ME2. Just wait till ME3 before you start bashing continuity and stuff. That is all.

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I tell you though, ultimately I will be very downheartened and upset if they have messed up Liara's character for the sole purpose of keeping her off the Normandy in ME2.

Amazed this is still on the page, things really DID cool down immensely.

Thing is, les, in a meta way, they did screw up Lia's character -- the jury's still out IMO on how badly and how permanently, though I think the answers are 'somewhat' and 'not at all but they've got to work on it soon'.  And as she's only not on the Normandy because she's got to be saved for ME3 for sure, and that's only in doubt because of the edict that 'everyone on the squad in ME2 must be able to die' -- she was screwed up for the sole purpose of an all-encompassing, kind of stupid game mechanic.

I do think that there are good ways to explain her being off the Normandy, but ... they're currently making us do all the work figuring them out.  Thus, the heat all over the place earlier today.

(As an aside, sorry for being offended by what I perceived as irrational anger in that back-and-forth.  I am still too nice for the Internet.  And as another aside, did Dink react to Renegade like it was a bad thing?  I always fill my Paragon meter, true, but I take it as a matter of course to attempt to half-fill my Renegade meter as well, because I don't think Shepard is a superwoman who can save everyone.  Your mileage may vary, of course... and I may have missed context.)

Okay, that's all I've got.  Aside for some ideas for Lolasari's but I'll leave those for when I can find good pix.

[screwoffreg]

By the way I think that post by Patrick Weekes was deleted. The Illuminati are watching!!!!!



Anyway I knew I recognized the gentleman. I do like him very much after I read an interview some time ago about him and I feel confident that if he is writing something to do with Liara...he will do it well.

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...

Evening, Sunnie!

I think this page needs a pic:

I do love that picture!

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Evening, Sunnie!

I think this page needs a pic:

I do love that picture!

Liara did some interesting idle animations in Elevators, this one is def a good one!

[jlb524]

I noticed Samara has the same idle animations as Liara did. I guess it's an asari thing.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

I noticed Samara has the same idle animations as Liara did. I guess it's an asari thing.

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