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[Marcin K]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Need happy Liara!

hey all:) what a great pic to see. i have to go soon [in bout ~2-3hrs]  for bout  ~6-8 hours and be back like 6-7pm my time. till then i'll stick around as long as it will be possible before i'll have to go:)
EDIT: SCORE! NEW PAGE!

Modifié par Marcin R, 24 avril 2010 - 08:26 .

[Lord Coake]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Well, after all of last night's debates and discussions, perhaps we need a new topic.

I'm busy beavering away on that drawing, but I wonder - if and when Liara returns as a squadmate in ME3, as we all hope, just how do you reckon she'll be introduced?

Will she just leave her office and go back to the Normandy? Or arrive in a blaze of glory?

Discuss

I actually hope it's something both ironic and heartwarming.  On some mission to find the Shadow Broker she gets caught in a mass field and left hovering weightless in the middle of a barren room...only to have Shep show up in a blaze of gunfire and screaming mercs, completely unaware of Liara's presence until she kicks in the door to Li's "cell".

Cue wise-ass remarks.  Cue even more of them if Garrus or Ash is around, and a well time burn later on from Tali.

I can only imagine Liara's reaction to it all.  After the jaw-dropping WTF in ME2, I really want something humorous and lighthearted.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 24 avril 2010 - 08:33 .

[OrbitalWings]

One idea I did have for the start of ME3....

The first character you meet will always be your LI from the first game (or a new character if you didn't have one), and in that opening scene Shep is alone and under fire, and said LI saves them, and then slowly removes their helmet to reveal who it is.

That kinda scene would be at it's most awesome with Liara - the last person Shep would expect to see

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 24 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[Lord Coake]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

One idea I did have for the start of ME3....
The first character you meet will always be your LI from the first game (or a new character if you didn't have one), and in that opening scene Shep is alone and under fire, and said LI saves them, and then slowly removes their helmet to reveal who it is.
That kinda scene would be at it's most awesome with Liara - the last person Shep would expect to see

Same going for the LI from ME2?  Be kind of a dead giveaway for Tali and Garrus.  Probaly for Jack too, given all the carnage and profanity likely involved.

[OrbitalWings]

Lord Coake wrote...

Same going for the LI from ME2?  Be kind of a dead giveaway for Tali and Garrus.  Probaly for Jack too, given all the carnage and profanity likely involved.

Hehe, yeahhhh to be honest I kinda only planned it for the ME1 LIs

[bjdbwea]

@ Goodwood

Very nicely written. Difficult to put into the game though, as of course Shepard be like this when reading it and would rush to Illium. Only to be like this again?

[scmadsen]

I'm not too sure why I'm listed in that group of notable figures in Liara's fan community. I don't feel like I have that much of an impact on what people think. Or have any special following. I'm hardly on par with the artists listed. I admire their work greatly, if only I could contribute to the community as they do, but I digress.

I find it hard to fathom that many of the fans here, came up with better and more reasonable circumstances for Liara not being able to come with Shepard, then BioWare did. Or came up with better ideas for what could of happened in ME2 involving her, then what in fact happened. It's truly shocking that her fans are more devoted to her, then her creators are. I guess perhaps it speaks to what impact she had on us, when we are more devoted to doing her justice.

I've come to find, as others have said, that's rather pointless and hopeless, to sit around and debate or try to reason...logic has been thrown out the window so many times...it gets depressing each time we think we understand, only to be slapped in the face. I would hope someone is reading this thread and taking notes on what we want and what we think, but I don't think that is the case.

In truth, it is comforting to be with others of like mind, and to know we aren't alone in this. Perhaps I'm too pessimistic, and maybe these forums are here for a reason, and BioWare does read them. Lets just hope they ignore the stupid people, as the rest of us should.

Now, we look at things thru our own special filter, and I'd dare to say alot of us don't care much for the rest of the game, we care about Liara, and that's all that really matters. The story of Liara and Shepard, as a couple, taking on everything thrown at them. So when we see Liara hurting and Shepard cold...it pains us.

I think what we all can agree on, is that we love Liara, and we want to see her return to who we all fell in love with. We want to see her happy and back at Shepard's side. There are many paths that can lead to this, and Liara can change in the process, it doesn't have to be all bad. She can change, and it can end up being for the better. The problem is, we all have our own idea about how this should happen.

We shouldn't forget though, that we all want the same basic thing. We're all here for one reason or another, but I bet the main reason we share, is that it's nice to know we aren't alone. We find comfort as a group and a fan base. Let us not let the little details come between us. We all love and support Liara.

There are many ways the DLC we are all waiting for, can turn out. I won't list them all, but I will suggest that we as a group, might want to start a main thread, or a group, and list out everything we commonly want to happen and want to see, in a Liara DLC. It's not too late to get our message to BioWare. It's a hopeful thought, that perhaps the reason it seems to be taking so long to hear anything, is that they pushed back the release, to give us what we have been saying we want.

As for the comic, I'll just say, we all seem to agree that it failed to be what we needed and wanted. BioWare should of made it for us, because it's about Liara, and those that buy it, would be her fans in one way or another.

Ok, I hope I haven't rambled again. I'll end this here.

Modifié par scmadsen, 24 avril 2010 - 08:46 .

[bjdbwea]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

I'm busy beavering away on that drawing, but I wonder - if and when Liara returns as a squadmate in ME3, as we all hope, just how do you reckon she'll be introduced?

Will she just leave her office and go back to the Normandy? Or arrive in a blaze of glory?

IF she is a crew member, I guess and kind of fear her role will be similar to the ME 2 crew members, as that concept will likely return in ME 3. Which means she does something "cool" as an introduction, has one hour of a loyalty quest later, plus 3 rather short dialogues that circle mostly around if and how they could "do" it, plus an in-your-face love scene at the end. Apart from that she stands there and tells you she's busy calibrating doing something important.

You may have guessed - I'm quite sceptical about the future of the ME franchise. That's why I like yours and other's fan art, that portrays what could have been.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 avril 2010 - 08:53 .

[Lord Coake]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

Same going for the LI from ME2?  Be kind of a dead giveaway for Tali and Garrus.  Probaly for Jack too, given all the carnage and profanity likely involved.

Hehe, yeahhhh to be honest I kinda only planned it for the ME1 LIs

Heh.  It'd still work.  Just have Shep be stunned and surprised if the ME1 LI shows up and more "What took you so long?!?" if an ME2 LI shows up.
Of course, if both show up   I've got nothing.  Though I'll admit right here that I think Tali would completely ruin Ash's day. 

*smacks self* back on topic.  We've been told that Liara and Ash/Kaiden will show up in ME3, and even with the ball being dropped in places in ME2, I trust Bioware to not screw it up.  At least, not too bad, anyway.

ADDENDUM: Oh, and Kiryu, I've read most of your ME fiction over at the pit of voles fanfiction.net.  Bit of a fan, actually.  Write faster, dammit!

[scmadsen]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Well, after all of last night's debates and discussions, perhaps we need a new topic.

I'm busy beavering away on that drawing, but I wonder - if and when Liara returns as a squadmate in ME3, as we all hope, just how do you reckon she'll be introduced?

Will she just leave her office and go back to the Normandy? Or arrive in a blaze of glory?

Discuss

I'll say I'd like to see her return to the Normandy in her DLC or the expansion that might be coming. Atleast at the end of them.

I think Liara needs some event to happen to her or to Shepard, that makes her sort of wake up, from the living nightmare she's been in for the past two years.

She needs a reminder of who she really is, and what she really cares about. It can be dramatic or subtle, but it needs to be emotional and moving. It could be Shepard in danger and Liara kicks ass with biotics and saves the day...breaking down afterward and remembering she loves Shepard, because she just faced losing Shepard again, so she vows to never leave the side of her beloved again. Or it could be as simple as Liara seeing her picture on Shepard's desk, which makes her remember who she loves and that Shepard loves her too.

As for her formal return to the Normandy...I know it's silly, but I want something romantic. I want Shepard and Liara holding hands and going up to their cabin together, with all the crew taking notice. I want it clear to us and to the crew, that Shepard and Liara are a couple. I want to hear the crew comment on the relationship. I want to see their reaction to Shepard having a lover return to her/his side.

I want it clear that Liara is important, and her return is a big deal to Shepard.

[OrbitalWings]

Lord Coake wrote...

ADDENDUM: Oh, and Kiryu, I've read most of your ME fiction over at the pit of voles fanfiction.net.  Bit of a fan, actually.  Write faster, dammit!

I'M TRYING

My muse doesn't like to stay for long...

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

No, don't apologise, sc. What you wrote was very insightful, and true.

To be honest with you, I got burned with what happened with Redemption. Badly. After all of my theories and speculation surrounding Liara that I thought made sense, we got absolutely nothing. Redemption was more damaging to Liara fans than anything else, as if it were in-game it could have been more tailored to those of us who romance her. The whole storyline could have been more in-depth, more romantic on Liara's part if it were tailored to our individual Shepards.

I still theorise, and remain optimistic over Liara and her future. But Redemption has made me somewhat jaded. What I think will happen with Liara is slightly more hope than expectation nowadays. I really do think that Liara's DLC will rectify it, and that we will get deep, emotional romantic and intimate content with Liara, and that the content will deliver. It's just, what happened with Redemption gives me that nagging doubt in the back of my mind.

I just want them to give Liara and her character the attention and justice she deserves.

Agreed, les, and sc, that I think that she deserves proper attention, that the hasn't gotten it, and that it should have happened in-game.  And I'm glad to see you two agreeing on so much.  We really do have to stick together and not be so heavily against each other... not only will it help us if we're ultimately disappointed with what happens in the third game (because we'll still have each other, and the first game, and they really can NOT take that away from us ), but I think it'll also help things toward where we want them to be if we're united on the three tenets I started this post with.  (And, again, give us what les would call 'heartfelt' dialogue, and what I would call 'sappy' but make no mistake, I want sappy!)

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, I love MDK's idea of the ME1 LI rushing in to assist Shepard at the start of ME3. Watching Liara remove her helmet, after displaying biotic badassitude, and expressing her happiness at seeing Shepard again and helping her out would be great.

The two of them could then rush up to each other and kiss passionately. D'awwww, would be adorable, I can picture it in my head right now!

I'm going to 'rec' this... which is impossible but I spent too much time on my football site recently, and I'm getting too used to their system.  But I wholeheartedly agree, with the mild exception that I'd probably have her say some sort of Bond one-liner while being badass, then if at all possible, just say 'miss me?' in a way that ... oh, I bet Ali could do it the way I'm picturing it, all full of confidence on the surface and yet it cracks a little, as if she's not totally sure and you have to kiss her right now so she's reassured.

I'll even give the non-LI version -- same line, but total badass delivery, and a handshake into a friendly half-hug.

[Goodwood]

Les,



Thanks for the comment. I've never played the Silent Hill series, so I don't really get the reference. It was just something that I felt like writing; truth be told it was inspired by a similar letter in the Tali thread.

[scmadsen]

As a side note...notice that Liara hugs you if you weren't her LI and she kisses you if you were...Ashley and Kaidan, hug you if you were their LI and only give you a handshake if you weren't. Something to think about.