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Garrus' acquisition quest was quite good, as was the loyalty quest. The rest? -_- Seems as if he has even less dialogue than in ME 1.

I still think the main problem with ME 2 were time constraints. That either forced the writers to write all that ridiculous stuff (Liara is only one example), or they actually had better ideas but were forced to scrap and improvise as the release date came closer. I will give them the benefit of doubt and refrain from the conclusion that they're simply bad writers, as there are also examples of really good writing in the game. Not that any explanation would excuse the result.


Problem with his loyalty quest is that it's a complete recycle of his quest from ME1!

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Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

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rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P


I think Thessia translates to something like Heaven when you put it that way haha :o

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rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

Yeah, I would love to take Liara to Thessia, she could tell you about different places on the planet.
It would be fun to do random things with her. (We should be able to take Liara out on a date whenever we feel like it).
More Asari is always a good thing :D. Liara is definitely the best though. (I love Liara no matter what, she is my absolute favorite character).

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General Stubbs wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

Yeah, I would love to take Liara to Thessia, she could tell you about different places on the planet.
It would be fun to do random things with her. (We should be able to take Liara out on a date whenever we feel like it).
More Asari is always a good thing :D. Liara is definitely the best though. (I love Liara no matter what, she is my absolute favorite character).


Definitely want to be able to take Liara to Thessia, maybe see where her home was, see the sights, take her to a fancy resturaunt. :D

Okay, yeah not going to happen, but at least visit and get some topical conversation from her about it. 

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Mac can write a good character. Whether he can write a good story is up in the air. ME1 was a good story, but it wasn't his. ME2, forgive me, is not a good overarching story. There are lots of good stories in it, but when you put it all together it's less than the sum of its parts. Perhaps that was unavoidable with the whole structure of "roundup badasses" but, well, that structure was a choice, wasn't it.



As for Liara, I sure hope they realize they screwed it up and why. What I hate most isn't even what she says, it's what Shep can't say, that he would say "hey, to me it's only been a few weeks since we became lovers, and, well, I'm still in love with you" (if you see your Shep's feelings that way, which I do, and I think Liara in ME1 intimates it's not just a fling for her either.)



Ah well, we'll see. As others have said, non-story considerations may have messed that and other things up despite Mac's best intentions and writing. Certainly the hints of early story seem to be better than what we got.

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She seems frustrated with the renegade response because she can't tell you exactly what happens. That makes sense - you risk your life to resurrect someone and the first thing they say is "man, you are crazy!" or "no time for your childish vendettas, gotta kill aliens!" Of course she'd be kind of angry and frustrated.

In the comics she basically says she's angry at herself for not being able to do anything as Shepard died. I don't think she's angry at Shepard directly - that doesn't make a lot of sense. Guilt and anger at herself is really the best explanation for her character that we have thus far. We'll have to see if the comics provide better ones, as those two alone aren't really enough.

I think they would be fine if Shepard were permanently dead, but him/her coming back to life (and the fact that Liara knows this) really weakens her motivation.


Do you or anyone else have a video with the Renegade!Shep/Liara dialog options? I just never could bring myself to choose those d-bag options when Liara risked life and limb to bring my Sheppy back to life. Still...would be entertaining to see for myself xD

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Taritu wrote...

Mac can write a good character. Whether he can write a good story is up in the air. ME1 was a good story, but it wasn't his. ME2, forgive me, is not a good overarching story. There are lots of good stories in it, but when you put it all together it's less than the sum of its parts. Perhaps that was unavoidable with the whole structure of "roundup badasses" but, well, that structure was a choice, wasn't it.

As for Liara, I sure hope they realize they screwed it up and why. What I hate most isn't even what she says, it's what Shep can't say, that he would say "hey, to me it's only been a few weeks since we became lovers, and, well, I'm still in love with you" (if you see your Shep's feelings that way, which I do, and I think Liara in ME1 intimates it's not just a fling for her either.)

Ah well, we'll see. As others have said, non-story considerations may have messed that and other things up despite Mac's best intentions and writing. Certainly the hints of early story seem to be better than what we got.


I'm on the fence about Mac.  As the lead writer I would hold him to the way things turned out, but I can clearly see indications of a situation out of his control here.  I've given him tons of flack around here since ME2 came out but I would gladly take it all back and eat my words if he gives us a mind blowingly awesome Liara expansion.

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rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

It'd be cool to see something like that but I'd hope they expand a bit on the size of locations.  It seems like all the locations in ME2 were the size of a city block.  The Citadel is like some strip mall, Omega may as well just be the Afterlife Club, and I just don't get Illium.  Running around on the Presidium in ME1 could take a bit, but at least it felt like a place.
I never really got the impression that Liara's father bothered her that much.  The subject wasn't exactly comfortable for her with it being tied to the whole pureblood stigma as well but she seemed to accept that there was a reason she didn't know.  It seems like it'd be easiest to just ask Shiala.  Shiala says she was a follower of Berenzia for two centuries which obviously overlaps Liara's birth.  Even if Shiala is dead in a playthrough, there was also a lot of Berenzia's followers that didn't follow her during her plan to try and steer Saren. 
Liara would be pretty famous in Asari circles for being Berenzia's daughter and the asari hero of the Citadel.  So if her father wanted anything to do with her, then she would have come forward by now or else she's dead.  Maybe it is better to not know for sure and think her father is dead rather than know for sure that she doesn't want anything to do with Liara <shrug>

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Taritu wrote...

Mac can write a good character. Whether he can write a good story is up in the air. ME1 was a good story, but it wasn't his. ME2, forgive me, is not a good overarching story. There are lots of good stories in it, but when you put it all together it's less than the sum of its parts. Perhaps that was unavoidable with the whole structure of "roundup badasses" but, well, that structure was a choice, wasn't it.

As for Liara, I sure hope they realize they screwed it up and why. What I hate most isn't even what she says, it's what Shep can't say, that he would say "hey, to me it's only been a few weeks since we became lovers, and, well, I'm still in love with you" (if you see your Shep's feelings that way, which I do, and I think Liara in ME1 intimates it's not just a fling for her either.)

Ah well, we'll see. As others have said, non-story considerations may have messed that and other things up despite Mac's best intentions and writing. Certainly the hints of early story seem to be better than what we got.

The fact that the relationship isn't mentioned at all throughout the game leads me to believe it was probably a victim of the same sort of design logic that led to squadmate chatter being cut and the dearth of location/event based dialog.  I agree that it wasn't necessarily simply a writing issue.

You can look at Liara's presentation and it definitely suffered because of editing and lack of general quality control.  But you still just have that kiss and a picture on your desk as the only evidence of a relationship.
Joker should have a joke about it; Kelly should be humping your leg to hear about your sweet asari love; Miranda, Jacob, Tali, and Garrus should all be wanting to know where they stand if you're hitting on them while you've got a picture of your last conquest sitting as a trophy beside your medal case; Khalisah Al-Jilani should be putting the screws to you for selling out humanity between the sheets.

I'm willing to give them a pass on some of the scrub sidequests not being carried over and some major decisions might not have noticeable effects given the context of the game.  But establishing a sense of immersion and continuity for the LI's should have been at the top of the To Do List right from start.  Instead we're probably lucky someone came up with the idea of that picture on the desk or else we wouldn't even be able to stand around in our cabin and moon over it. Posted Image

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Mac can write a good character. Whether he can write a good story is up in the air. ME1 was a good story, but it wasn't his. ME2, forgive me, is not a good overarching story. There are lots of good stories in it, but when you put it all together it's less than the sum of its parts. Perhaps that was unavoidable with the whole structure of "roundup badasses" but, well, that structure was a choice, wasn't it.

As for Liara, I sure hope they realize they screwed it up and why. What I hate most isn't even what she says, it's what Shep can't say, that he would say "hey, to me it's only been a few weeks since we became lovers, and, well, I'm still in love with you" (if you see your Shep's feelings that way, which I do, and I think Liara in ME1 intimates it's not just a fling for her either.)

Ah well, we'll see. As others have said, non-story considerations may have messed that and other things up despite Mac's best intentions and writing. Certainly the hints of early story seem to be better than what we got.


I'm on the fence about Mac.  As the lead writer I would hold him to the way things turned out, but I can clearly see indications of a situation out of his control here.  I've given him tons of flack around here since ME2 came out but I would gladly take it all back and eat my words if he gives us a mind blowingly awesome Liara expansion.


Oh, in my opinion it only has to be 'awesome' to count.  Just so I can hug my LiLi like she probably needs it a lot.  (If there's no hug, THEN the rest has to be mind-blowing.  Or BETTER *grrs*.)

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rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P


Man I want to visit Thessia sooooo bad.  Ilium was cool enough being an Asari colony and all, but damn, I want the homeworld!  I want to visit Thessia more than I want to visit Earth!

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rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

Yeah, I would love to take Liara to Thessia, she could tell you about different places on the planet.
It would be fun to do random things with her. (We should be able to take Liara out on a date whenever we feel like it).
More Asari is always a good thing :D. Liara is definitely the best though. (I love Liara no matter what, she is my absolute favorite character).


Agreed, it would also be fun to take her to Earth.

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Or even better, take Liara to all the planets with a lot of Prothean ruins. She was fascinated by Ilos and I'm sure she's visited many other ones...but she definitely didn't visit ALL of them ;)

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ColinMT wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Slightly off topic but I hope you can visit the planet Thessia in ME3. They talk about it in the codex entries and it's the Asari's homeworld. A world full of beautiful Asari!! It would be nice to maybe bring along Liara with you and take her shopping? lol. Or on a more serious note, maybe look for traces of her father? I can has more Asari??! :P

Yeah, I would love to take Liara to Thessia, she could tell you about different places on the planet.
It would be fun to do random things with her. (We should be able to take Liara out on a date whenever we feel like it).
More Asari is always a good thing :D. Liara is definitely the best though. (I love Liara no matter what, she is my absolute favorite character).


Agreed, it would also be fun to take her to Earth.


I dunno, only one Shep was born on Earth, the others in space.  And the Shep that was born on Earth, what is he going to show her?  The ghetto he group up in?  I'll pass. :P

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Well, Shep got an email I think depending on your decision's with an invite to Batia's restaurant, you can always take Liara there.

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I believe we need a Liara game after ME3 where we import our Sheps from the trilogy and romance Liara for 300+ hours (I would hope for 1000+).
We can take her on a romantic voyage, take her to Mom and Dad's (depending on if you have that specific backround) or do whatever your heart desires. :wub:
What do you think, good idea? (One can dream :D).

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General Stubbs wrote...

I believe we need a Liara game after ME3 where we import our Sheps from the trilogy and romance Liara for 300+ hours (I would hope for 1000+).
We can take her on a romantic voyage, take her to Mom and Dad's (depending on if you have that specific backround) or do whatever your heart desires. :wub:
What do you think, good idea? (One can dream :D).

It definitely is nice to think about a huge dollop of Liara-ness after being forced into withdrawl by ME2.  Like a lot of people in this thread I started another ME1 playthrough.  I spent more time shaking my fist on these forums than I did playing ME2 and so I needed to get a fix of the good blue stuff.

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General Stubbs wrote...

I believe we need a Liara game after ME3 where we import our Sheps from the trilogy and romance Liara for 300+ hours (I would hope for 1000+).
We can take her on a romantic voyage, take her to Mom and Dad's (depending on if you have that specific backround) or do whatever your heart desires. :wub:
What do you think, good idea? (One can dream :D).


This game should also allow us to marry Liara or become her bondmate and have kids, if they choose to have them.  It'll be pretty cool to have children without me getting pregnant. XD

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What's this doing on the 3rd page? Bump to the top! For the blue goddess!!

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Third page wow lol. I've been playing ME1 with Liara by my side for the past hour. <3

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Sakhalin wrote...

Third page wow lol. I've been playing ME1 with Liara by my side for the past hour. <3


Haha, same here. I really need to get to bed. I have work tomorrow morning, but I can't put down ME1. I'm about to finish up Feros and spring the next set of romance dialogue. :wub:

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I should be in bed too, I have class (just one though) at 10. Must...finish...side mission...damn you, Thresher Maw!

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Stopping by for more Liara support. Go Liara!



We actually discussed in one of the groups before about visiting Thessia. We were saying about how it'd be cool to have Liara showing us around and introducing us to her species' homeworld. Also, did anyone else in ME1 take Liara to the mission on the moon and pretend that Shepard was introducing Liara to Earth? I loved doing that, felt so emotional and awesome to show Liara the homeworld of our species. "There you are, Liara. That's where my people came from".

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Stopping by for more Liara support. Go Liara!

We actually discussed in one of the groups before about visiting Thessia. We were saying about how it'd be cool to have Liara showing us around and introducing us to her species' homeworld. Also, did anyone else in ME1 take Liara to the mission on the moon and pretend that Shepard was introducing Liara to Earth? I loved doing that, felt so emotional and awesome to show Liara the homeworld of our species. "There you are, Liara. That's where my people came from".


That's beyond cute and some kind of super cute :P

I dunno, I think it'd be nice to bring Liara to Earth in general, even if you're not an Earthborn ... maybe to take her to see Super Bowl CCXXII or something?  (Or wherever they are -- and yes, I'm playing off of that blurb on Super Bowl Sunday on the Cerberus News network ^_^.)