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I hope in the near-future there is some "comfirmed" Liara  Content in Future dlc .
I just want to get to know her more as a person instead of Discussing problems and putting that aside ,  instead of  shooting  all the time , it would add a more"realistic" feel to show how much  my  femshep loves her .

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Yeah, screw any combat! A DLC soley comprised of spending quality, romantic time with Liara would be perfect for me! I want Shepard and Liara to really show their love for each other! Full body freckle count, anyone? :wub:

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There will be loads of shooty-shooty in the DLC but I do hope that it's generously interspersed with Liara dialog.



I think about Jack's loyalty mission (which was one of my favorites). You fight for a little bit and then talk to her. Fight some more and then talk to her, etc. The end of her mission involves a small boss battle followed by a bit of dialog with her. I'd like something similar for Liara's DLC. Opposed to Miranda's or Garrus' loyalty missions which were both combat heavy.

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 I'd be very surprised if we get any more than a couple ME2 squaddies back for ME3.


And they will be Garrus and Tali, since they were also part of the original crew. Everyone else was built up to be temporary.

Here are the most obvious reasons (to me) why we may not see the remaining ME2 crew.

Grunt: Now has a clan and is needed for the future of the Krogan.

Zaeed: Paid for job, and he doesn't really care about be a "big goddamn hero", expect him to try and regain control of The Blue Suns.

Legion: Will be instrumental in bridging the gap and fostering peace between Geth and the Quarians, and aligning Geth with the rest of the Galaxy against the Reapers.

Jacob: This ones not so obvious. He already does not care for TIM or Cerb, and after the events of ME2 he feels betrayed by TIM and returns to Alliance service.

Miranda: After quitting Cerberus, must go protect her sister. She would be TIMs first retaliatory target. Or, she returns to Cerb for reassignment.

Thane: Not much to say here, Kepral's Syndrome anyone?

Jack: Jack can finally get past her childhood with the destruction of the Cerb facility, now has a sense of real freedom. She now needs to find herself.

Kasumi: Another gun for hire, isn't really that concerned with saving the galaxy.

Samara: With the destruction of the Collectors, her pledge is completed and the Justicar code again becomes her focus. Beware all mean hearted Shepards.

Mordin: Already living on borrowed time, has already outlived the average Salarian. Also has key data that can change the Genophage if needed.


So there it is, some more stuff to think about! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28011.gif

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Lai's DLC should be a combination of Jack's and Miri's DLC so in off dialogs to ease her fears and in off combat to made everyone happy ^^.



I really hope that this DLC won't be as same disappointment as redemption...

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jlb524 wrote...

There will be loads of shooty-shooty in the DLC but I do hope that it's generously interspersed with Liara dialog.

I think about Jack's loyalty mission (which was one of my favorites). You fight for a little bit and then talk to her. Fight some more and then talk to her, etc. The end of her mission involves a small boss battle followed by a bit of dialog with her. I'd like something similar for Liara's DLC. Opposed to Miranda's or Garrus' loyalty missions which were both combat heavy.


This. I'd love it if Liara's DLC was like an expanded version of Jack's loyalty mission. As you progress through the Shadow Broker's base, interspersed with the combat we get increasingly deeper and heartfelt dialogue with Liara, with her recounting everything that's happened. At the end, for the final big climatic confrontation with the Shadow Broker, there's plenty of raw emotion on Liara's behalf. We then can have either the "talk down" or "kill him" persuasion with Liara. Plenty of dialogue is a must, IMO, and additional dialogue if Liara is your LI with plenty of romance choices.

Plus, I desperately want the romance exclusive Liara comforting scene in Shepard's cabin on the way back from the mission. Liara opening her heart, Shepard comforting her, the reaffirmation and rekindling of the romance. That's what I hope for. Really good, substantial emotional and intimate content with Liara with additional lines and a scene if she's your LI.

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IF Joker once again will try interrupt when Lia will be in Shep cabin i will toss him out of nearby arilock... assuming that he will survive "talk" whit Lia over events on first Normandy.

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i'm back, so ::)

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 Morning everybody! MDK's newest is looking amazing =]

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justinnstuff wrote...

 Morning everybody! MDK's newest is looking amazing =]

what is it? please requote! mus thave missed it while i was away from my Mac...
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Sunnie22 wrote...

This page...needs a pic!
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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Another drawing update is on it's way ^_^

Incidentally, here's an exclusive picture for you all - the original version of my first Liara drawing...

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Looking at it now, I don't dislike it as much as I originally did...


Here ya go Marcin, it's the original version of this drawing. The one he released was all green. Also he's gotten further with his new Freya/Liara dancing pic.

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And they will be Garrus and Tali, since they were also part of the original crew. Everyone else was built up to be temporary.

 


No, I think Garrus and Tali should be cameod just like the rest.

Not only because ME2 squadmates deserve a second game more than they deserve a third as a squadmate, but also because they are just as dead the rest.

I dont want resources making them optional squadmates. Use them to either make living squadmates better, or give it to another ME2 squadmate like Miranda.

Their presence would be an insult to many ME1 LI fans who were told the ME1 LIs were "saved for ME3". Plus yet another game with these two wouldnt help noobs understand the game.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Another drawing update is on it's way ^_^

Incidentally, here's an exclusive picture for you all - the original version of my first Liara drawing...

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Looking at it now, I don't dislike it as much as I originally did...


Here ya go Marcin, it's the original version of this drawing. The one he released was all green. Also he's gotten further with his new Freya/Liara dancing pic.

thanks Justin:)

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I think the only way I can realistically see any ME2 squadmate returning in ME3 is if they have no real effect on the plot at all, and are there to make up the numbers. Just another gun, really.



Liara and the surviving Alliance soldier are going to have large story roles in the game, I'm almost certain of it. That's one thing that I think us Liara fans have to hold onto, that she's going to be in everyone's ME3 save, she's going to have a large story role and be a squadmate, and that due to these facts alot of development time, care, attention and resources are going to be dedicated to her.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


And they will be Garrus and Tali, since they were also part of the original crew. Everyone else was built up to be temporary.

 


No, I think Garrus and Tali should be cameod just like the rest.

Not only because ME2 squadmates deserve a second game more than they deserve a third as a squadmate, but also because they are just as dead the rest.

I dont want resources making them optional squadmates. Use them to either make living squadmates better, or give it to another ME2 squadmate like Miranda.

Their presence would be an insult to many ME1 LI fans who were told the ME1 LIs were "saved for ME3". Plus yet another game with these two wouldnt help noobs understand the game.

To be honest, ME3 is not going to attract a large number of noobs, not unless they completely reworked the engine, made it all shiney and new and prety much makes it MW3. BW already stated that they were not going to change the engine for 3 so they could get it finished quicker, and to be able to be played on lower tech equipment.
Anyone coming into a trilogy in the last and closing chapter deserves to be lost. Sure they can make it a "stand alone" game, but unless you are familiar with the first 2 chapters you will never really undestand what the whole story is, and it would take a significant amount of recapping the past events to bring new players up to speed, so much that BW is not going to waste time and money doing. There will be some, but not what would be needed. The biggest draw for ME3 is going to be players and fans of the first 2 chapters, new players will not be a significant chunk of the profit margin.

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I agree with you Les, if they were cameo'd in ME2 so they're guaranteed to survive, it only makes sense they return to Shepard in ME3. I wonder how that will play out in a game where you save the collector base and stick with Cerberus though.

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To be honest, ME3 is not going to attract a large number of noobs, not unless they completly reworked the engine, made it all shiney and new and prety much makes it MW3. BW already stated that they were not going to change the engine for 3 so they could get it finished quicker, and to be able to be played on lower tech equipment.
Anyone coming into a trilogy in the last and closing chapter deserves to be lost. Sure they can make it a "stand alone" game, but unless you are familiar with the first 2 chapters you will never really undestand what the whole story is, and it would take a significant amount of recapping the past events to bring new players up to speed, so much that BW is not going to waste time and money doing. There will be some, but not what would be needed. The biggest draw for ME3 is going to be players and fans of the first 2 chapters, new players will not be a significant chunk of the profit margin.


I fear the more "standalone" they make it, the worse off the story will suffer. I really hope it's a continuation of 1 and 2.

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Going to get some sun, and do some yard stuff lol

My roses need some love!

Be back in a bit.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

To be honest, ME3 is not going to attract a large number of noobs, not unless they completely reworked the engine, made it all shiney and new and prety much makes it MW3. BW already stated that they were not going to change the engine for 3 so they could get it finished quicker, and to be able to be played on lower tech equipment.
Anyone coming into a trilogy in the last and closing chapter deserves to be lost. Sure they can make it a "stand alone" game, but unless you are familiar with the first 2 chapters you will never really undestand what the whole story is, and it would take a significant amount of recapping the past events to bring new players up to speed, so much that BW is not going to waste time and money doing. There will be some, but not what would be needed. The biggest draw for ME3 is going to be players and fans of the first 2 chapters, new players will not be a significant chunk of the profit margin.


I think absolutely nothing Bioware has done so far suggests they will prioritize older players over new ones for ME3, particularly with their new EA overlords holding their leash.

Theyve tried to establish ME2 as a straight up shooter more than anything else by making and milking the game that way.

I think they will only further increase that "this is a shooter and new players can jump in and enjoy it" plan with ME3.

Id be surprised if a reset Liara and Virmire Survivor are squadmates at this rate. Even if they bring over any ME2 squadmates, I cant see it being Tali and Garrus. Basically the only reason they are still around now is because of their relationship with Shepard. I think they should get a swappable small plotline cameos ala Wrex/Wreav.

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justinnstuff wrote...

I fear the more "standalone" they make it, the worse off the story will suffer. I really hope it's a continuation of 1 and 2.


You mean "a continuation of 1 OR 2" since 2 wasn't really a continuation of 1. ;)

I imagine it will be just as stand alone as 2 was, in other words most of your decisions from 1 and 2 will have very little impact on 3.  Maybe we'll get an email from Mordin's assistant or from the mother of the girl in Samara's loyalty mission.  I doubt things like saving the base etc will have any more impact than saving the Council did, ie none at all.

At this point that would probably be a blessing.

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I fear the more "standalone" they make it, the worse off the story will suffer. I really hope it's a continuation of 1 and 2.


You mean "a continuation of 1 OR 2" since 2 wasn't really a continuation of 1. ;)

I imagine it will be just as stand alone as 2 was, in other words most of your decisions from 1 and 2 will have very little impact on 3.  Maybe we'll get an email from Mordin's assistant or from the mother of the girl in Samara's loyalty mission.  I doubt things like saving the base etc will have any more impact than saving the Council did, ie none at all.

At this point that would probably be a blessing.


I doubt it would be a blessing. That stuff should have a much larger impact than it did. I really hope they make it make a difference. If it was just BioWare, I'd expect it. But as Dink said, EA holds the reigns now so I'm not going to hold my breath.

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What Dink just described is probably how it's going to go with regards to the ME2 squad.



In ME3, you could meet Garrus at one point on the Citadel. If he's dead, you get some random turian dude.



You could meet Tali as an Admiral of the Migrant Fleet. If she's dead, she's replaced with some other quarian.



Basically it will be like this for the ME2 squad. It's not that I want this to happen, I really like Mordin, Samara, Jack and Thane. It's just that's how I think it will go.



I still maintain that we'll get two different romance paths for Liara, Ash and Kaidan in ME3 though. A brand new one for new players, and a romance that was started all the way back in ME1. Liara's the only squadmate that will be in everyone's ME3 save, logic dictates that she's going to receive a ton of development attention, and that includes her romance. If they talk about fruition of choices and how we'll finally see them in ME3, then Liara's romance is a pretty big one.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I think absolutely nothing Bioware has done so far suggests they will prioritize older players over new ones for ME3, particularly with their new EA overlords holding their leash.

Theyve tried to establish ME2 as a straight up shooter more than anything else by making and milking the game that way.

I think they will only further increase that "this is a shooter and new players can jump in and enjoy it" plan with ME3.

Id be surprised if a reset Liara and Virmire Survivor are squadmates at this rate. Even if they bring over any ME2 squadmates, I cant see it being Tali and Garrus. Basically the only reason they are still around now is because of their relationship with Shepard. I think they should get a swappable small plotline cameos ala Wrex/Wreav.


Yeah I'm pretty much there with ya Dink.  I have no illusion that BW is going to put the effort in to make all these characters squadmates in 3.  Such a shame to, I always expected more than this from BW.

I wouldn't be too surprised in Miranda and Jacob return though, along with all the Cerberus story lines and TIM.  They seem to be the "favorites" so to speak.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What Dink just described is probably how it's going to go with regards to the ME2 squad.

In ME3, you could meet Garrus at one point on the Citadel. If he's dead, you get some random turian dude.

You could meet Tali as an Admiral of the Migrant Fleet. If she's dead, she's replaced with some other quarian.

Basically it will be like this for the ME2 squad. It's not that I want this to happen, I really like Mordin, Samara, Jack and Thane. It's just that's how I think it will go.

I still maintain that we'll get two different romance paths for Liara, Ash and Kaidan in ME3 though. A brand new one for new players, and a romance that was started all the way back in ME1. Liara's the only squadmate that will be in everyone's ME3 save, logic dictates that she's going to receive a ton of development attention, and that includes her romance. If they talk about fruition of choices and how we'll finally see them in ME3, then Liara's romance is a pretty big one.


Well concerning Mordin I think he could still stay on the Normandy as head researcher even without Squadmate status,they could make something up like hes too old to fight or whatever but it would work and if hes dead well you just get some human or whatever

As for different romance paths I doubt that will happen since romances are still optional stuff so they wont waste ressources on writing two complete different paths for one character,but imports might get a few extra lines I guess.
Overall I think they have written themselves into multiple holes concerning romances since there are nine now and I would assume all have fans that want continuation and conclusions for them,so I wonder if they will just try to ignore them as much as possible and even throw in a bunch of new ones as distraction or if they will live up to their marketing speeches