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[bjdbwea]

The name of this particular piece is the "Unrocky".

"Isn't it beautiful, Shepard? All these people, you saved them. Even if they don't give a damn, as you put it so bluntly."

"You know Liara... I think it was worth saving for this moment alone."

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 avril 2010 - 06:27 .

[Marcin K]

bjdbwea wrote...



The name of this particular piece is the "Unrocky".

"Isn't it beautiful, Shepard? All these people, you saved them. Even if they don't give a damn, as you put it so bluntly."

"You know Liara... I think it was worth saving for this moment alone."

WHOA THAT PIC IS AWASOME:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I think its a mistake to believe Bioware will write two paths. I think there is no chance that will happen. Bioware will simply "alter the tone" of the romance with some occasional references for staying loyal and romancing from ME1.

Bioware has, for all their expertise and commitment to always adding romancing, never really put THAT much effort in like writing two drastically different romance paths would take.

"Why write two romances so that everyone can see them when you can write one romance and tweak it slightly so that everyone sees it" is what I imagine Bioware will think.

Im sorry to say, but there is not one comment or shred of past history that makes me believe Bioware would go to such lengths as to write such differences into a (hypothetical) Liara squadmate romance.

Im not even convinced theyll be squadmates yet. Until its totally confirmed, Im still also expecting a simple plot sensitive cameo instead of a squadmate role.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 24 avril 2010 - 06:40 .

[WorpeX]

I think its too early to decide what bioware is going to do and what they aren't going to do. Mass Effect has an awesome story and so far amazing story telling. They definitely surprised me with the lengths they went through to make Mass Effect 2 really feel like a complete continuation onto your first adventure. Considering its one of the main selling points of the game, I see no reason why they wont keep as many characters in mass effect 3 as possible and keep your LI the same and have as much continuity as they can.

[Noxis6]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I think its a mistake to believe Bioware will write two paths. I think there is no chance that will happen. Bioware will simply "alter the tone" of the romance with some occasional references for staying loyal and romancing from ME1.

Bioware has, for all their expertise and commitment to always adding romancing, never really put THAT much effort in like writing two drastically different romance paths would take.

"Why write two romances so that everyone can see them when you can write one romance and tweak it slightly so that everyone sees it" is what I imagine Bioware will think.

Im sorry to say, but there is not one comment or shred of past history that makes me believe Bioware would go to such lengths as to write such differences into a (hypothetical) Liara squadmate romance.

Im not even convinced theyll be squadmates yet. Until its totally confirmed, Im still also expecting a simple plot sensitive cameo instead of a squadmate role.

Yeah I'm also kind of on the fence when it comes to the question will they be squadmates again,chances are we again get another set of throw away characters,which is kind of strange since the ME2 was sold to us as the best of the best this galaxy has to offer and now we need even better ones thats kind of funny in some ways

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Noxis6 wrote...

Yeah I'm also kind of on the fence when it comes to the question will they be squadmates again,chances are we again get another set of throw away characters,which is kind of strange since the ME2 was sold to us as the best of the best this galaxy has to offer and now we need even better ones thats kind of funny in some ways

I never thought they were the best of the best - its just a list compiled by TIM.

Legion isnt on the list. You were originally meant to recruit Okeer. Archangel is a ridiculous choice that just happened to be Garrus ("oh look a vigilante on Omega, why not"). Miranda and Jacob are cerberus operatives.

They werent the best of the best, they were just the squad that Shepard ended up with. There are plenty of others, sideline ME1 squadmates among them, who could have done the job just as well.

I think the plot should take main focus again in ME3 and dictate the squad, not the acquisition of the squad dictate the plot. The "shopping list" main plot was a huge let down, and utterly terrible storytelling. Individually their plots were okay, but as a whole experience it was disconnected garbage.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 24 avril 2010 - 06:55 .

[Noxis6]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
I never thought they were the best of the best - its just a list compiled by TIM.

Legion isnt on the list. You were originally meant to recruit Okeer. Archangel is a ridiculous choice that just happened to be Garrus ("oh look a vigilante on Omega, why not"). Miranda and Jacob are cerberus operatives.

They werent the best of the best, they were just the squad that Shepard ended up with. There are plenty of others, sideline ME1 squadmates among them, who could have done the job just as well.

I think the plot should take main focus again in ME3 and dictate the squad, not the acuisition of the squad dictate the plot. The "shopping list" main plot was a huge let down, and utterly terrible storytelling. Individually their plots were okay, but as a whole experience it was disconnected garbage.

Well I was just going by what the Bioware marketing tried to sell us here,personally I find the ME2 squads status as the bestest people in the galaxy is quite debatable
Besides the actuall suicide mission never felt like anything the old squad couldnt have handled
As for the ME3 plot I dont know personally I would prefer something like pick everyone that survived plus Liara and the Virmire survivor and there you have your squad from the start,no recruiting or anything and the rest of the game is dealing with the reapers,but its not realistic that this would happen

[revan11exile]

bjdbwea wrote...



The name of this particular piece is the "Unrocky".

"Isn't it beautiful, Shepard? All these people, you saved them. Even if they don't give a damn, as you put it so bluntly."

"You know Liara... I think it was worth saving for this moment alone."

bjdbwea WTF dude this is a nice Liara pic keep them coming<3<3<3<3<3<3

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

*snip pic*

The name of this particular piece is the "Unrocky".

"Isn't it beautiful, Shepard? All these people, you saved them. Even if they don't give a damn, as you put it so bluntly."

"You know Liara... I think it was worth saving for this moment alone."

That is an awesome pic...interesting visual effect you have there.

[Unit-Alpha]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think the only way I can realistically see any ME2 squadmate returning in ME3 is if they have no real effect on the plot at all, and are there to make up the numbers. Just another gun, really.

Liara and the surviving Alliance soldier are going to have large story roles in the game, I'm almost certain of it. That's one thing that I think us Liara fans have to hold onto, that she's going to be in everyone's ME3 save, she's going to have a large story role and be a squadmate, and that due to these facts alot of development time, care, attention and resources are going to be dedicated to her.

Yes, I agree. I expect Garrus and Tali especially wil get sidelined with minor roles aboard the Normandy and as LI's. The rest of the LI's from ME2 will probably be little more than NPC's with a romance subplot (like Kelly). Liara, happily, is the only one who, if BW doesn't pull the BS "Oh, she was evil all along" or "Oh, she turned evil (Think: KOTOR)" cards, is likely going to have a big role.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 avril 2010 - 07:13 .

[bjdbwea]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yes, I agree. I expect Garrus and Tali especially wil get sidelined with minor roles aboard the Normandy and as LI's.

You don't seriously believe that, do you. They went out of their way with the attention dedicated to Tali, and whatever one may think about that, I see little reason why they wouldn't do exactly the same for ME 3. The Garrus situation is not so clear, his romance was obviously fan service, but he, his role, and the romance obviously didn't receive nearly as much attention. I am unsure however if I should be jealous that he got at least that amount of attention, or if I should be glad that the Liara situation wasn't continued in such a short, shallow and meaningless way. Probably a bit of both.

PS: No offense intended to the fans of any character. This is about the writing.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 avril 2010 - 07:30 .

[Erinlana]

bjdbwea wrote...



The name of this particular piece is the "Unrocky".

"Isn't it beautiful, Shepard? All these people, you saved them. Even if they don't give a damn, as you put it so bluntly."

"You know Liara... I think it was worth saving for this moment alone."

Aww i love this its so sweet

And touching 

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The alternative to what you say to two romance paths kind of deconstructs your argument though, Dink. If they're willing to add in additional lines into the romance dialogue, take the time to record them with the VAs, and code and program the triggers and flags for these unique comments, wouldn't it be safe to say that they'd create an entirely seperate romance path? In fact, wouldn't it be easier infact to create a seperate loyal ME1 Liara romance path, without the hassle of adding in these additional lines and triggers into an existing Liara ME3 romance? I'd say that creating two seperate romance paths is alot less work than altering an existing romance with intricate triggers and unique lines.

No its not. Its far easier to add in a few optional dialogues into the variance of one existing romance than write two seperate ones, one only probably going to be experienced by a select number of the fanbase.

They will simply think "weve got all this dialogue for the standard no import romance, so why got to all the trouble and expense of creating an entirely seperate path when we can simply add in a few extra lines".

Your argument is deconstructed by the fact that it is not supported by Biowares method of carryover so far. My argument is strengthened by this. A few extra lines referencing the past relationship is far more in line with Biowares work so far than what you suggest, which is a huge departure from their idea that "if we cant sum it up to the new players in one sentence, it isnt worth doing".

A romance is a fairly large part of a character. Creating two entirely seperate paths would be a lot like carrying over a dead squadmate, and potentially having to create a backup squadmate in case this one died that could take their place.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Plus, I'd be super annoyed if we get a uniform Liara romance in ME3. How is that the fruition of our choices? They're not restricted by limiting the different possibilites, so they can go all out with different branching consequences. The loyal Liara romance needs to be unique.

How has anything beena  fruition of our choices so far?

Bioware certainly wont entirely replicate ME2s carryover, but it certainly wont massively outdo it either. They have already said that carryover ultimately only impacts the "tone" of something.

If I were you, Id expect that uniform Liara romance you dont want to see, with a few lines of dialogue, perhaps even pushing it an extra conversation to alter the "tone" of the romance slightly for players loyal since ME1.

Edit: All of that is operating under the assumption that she will be a romanceable squadmate, and not a plot critical cameo instead.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 24 avril 2010 - 07:36 .

[Sunnie]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

They werent the best of the best, they were just the squad that Shepard ended up with.

Yes, exactly. And without Shepard, they would all have failed, miserably I might add.

[Sunnie]

I know this is way off topic, but I just had to share my beautiful roses! I love spring!

[revan11exile]

[quote]Sunnie22 wrote...

I know this is way off topic, but I just had to share my beautiful roses! I love spring! Say Sunnie Liara will love these flowers nice:wub:
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com//uploads_user/1070000/1069890/29733.jpg[/smilie]

Modifié par revan11exile, 24 avril 2010 - 07:53 .