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[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...
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My gut tells me that will be a very good way to describe ME3 once it is actually here.  Considering how incapable they were of actually having anything significant carry over in ME2 and people just glossed over it and made up excuses for it, I see no reason why they won't be encouraged to do the same thing all over again. 

Path of least resistance to cater to the lowest common denominator to make the most cash.

[scmadsen]

I'm not that pessimistic...I think we'll see the ME1 LIs return, and the ME2 ones sidelined this time. Because they could die. I think people got what they wanted in the moment, but didn't think long term...by getting Tali in ME2, a game where everyone can die...they risked having her not return for any large role in ME3. I'd like to hope, that we the faithful will get that big reward...as in, our LIs will be there for us because they saved them for ME3, for the whole game, and we get a happy ending because we were faithful. They have to invent a reason for the LIs from ME2 not to be around, that doesn't mean they will end, as such, but your LIs has to find something more important then you are...that is going to sting as much as what we got in ME2.

[Taritu]

Yay for Liara. That is all.

[Sunnie]

I believe all of the ME2 crew as well as ME1 LIs will get an equal measure of the ME3 spotlight.

Although there are many outs for BW to take with all of the ME2 crew, I don't think they will because it is the final act.  Everyone will be back if the importing save has them alive. And quite honestly, anyone claiming that BW won't spend time developing crew members that could die in ME2 is really naive, especially when its actually difficult to get them killed.
 
BW said ya, crew can die in the ME2 suicide mission, but they make it so easy for them to survive that everyone, yes I said everyone, will have a "nobody left behind" save they will pull into the third act, and any dead peeps saves will be imported to see different angles. BW knows this and they will give all of them equal measure.

Though it pains me to say it, that means Liara and Ash/Kaiden will likely not get significantly more of the spotlight either. I could be wrong, and I hope I am wrong, but in business, especially game development, thats a pretty common process. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I also believe that any more story development of Liara and Ash/Kaiden will happen int the expansion that will tie ME2 and 3 together, there will not be any Liara DLC, it is not a good business choice to do a Liara DLC, and EA is in it for the $$$$. Money talks and vaporware walks. And until BW actually says different, its just vaporware that everyone will speculate on until the goddamn cows come home. Again, I hope I will be proven wrong, but I don't think that will be the case, no matter how many ways people spin the speculation.  

One thing is for sure, everyone has a different opinion and thats not going to change until EA/BW actually gets off their marketing high horse and lets their customers know something. Don't think that's going to be in the near future.

And while you're all cursing at me, here's a Liara pic to distract you all!  /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28010.gif

Modifié par Sunnie22, 25 avril 2010 - 01:04 .

[scmadsen]

Sunnie sounds angry tonight.

[Sunnie]

Cartims wrote...

Sunnie, less words. I can't focus tonight.....it's Saturday....

Text wall inc just for you Cartims! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28016.gif

[Sunnie]

scmadsen wrote...

Sunnie sounds angry tonight.

Pain actually, and no booze left in the house /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28024.gif
Stepped barefoot into rose bush clippings, have like 20 holes in the bottom and side of my foot! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27989.gif

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

I believe all of the ME2 crew as well as ME1 LIs will get an equal measure of the ME3 spotlight.

Equal how?  As in time, maybe.  As in quality of character development or impact on the story, no.  The ME2 crew could all die so they can't fit into the story critically while Liara and the Virmire survivor can.  I fear the ME2 crew will have disappointingly small and meaningless conversations with Shepard and they cannot be plot critical.  It will feel cheap to most, but that's the drawback of having a bunch of people that could die worked into a squad mate role.

[scmadsen]

Someone agrees with me?! I'm shocked, jlb!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I believe all of the ME2 crew as well as ME1 LIs will get an equal measure of the ME3 spotlight.

Equal how?  As in time, maybe.  As in quality of character development or impact on the story, no.  The ME2 crew could all die so they can't fit into the story critically while Liara and the Virmire survivor can.  I fear the ME2 crew will have disappointingly small and meaningless conversations with Shepard and they cannot be plot critical.  It will feel cheap to most, but that's the drawback of having a bunch of people that could die worked into a squad mate role.

Remember that Jib. You need two people to survive to be able to import your Shepard, just two people.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 avril 2010 - 01:25 .

[jlb524]

You do only need two people to survive for Shepard to survive, yes.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

You do only need two people to survive for Shepard to survive, yes.

Liara and Ash/Kaidan and surviors for your squad. A default Shepard will have importent characters, and if you import one you need two people alive, theres your squad. That ends all complaining and it more cost friendly for Bioware.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I believe all of the ME2 crew as well as ME1 LIs will get an equal measure of the ME3 spotlight.

Equal how?  As in time, maybe.  As in quality of character development or impact on the story, no.  The ME2 crew could all die so they can't fit into the story critically while Liara and the Virmire survivor can.  I fear the ME2 crew will have disappointingly small and meaningless conversations with Shepard and they cannot be plot critical.  It will feel cheap to most, but that's the drawback of having a bunch of people that could die worked into a squad mate role.

Equal as in time and character. Just because they "can" die, does not mean they won't get equal treatment. As I explained, the fact that it is difficult to get people actually killed, and everyone will have a save where everyone lives, that will be the lowest common denominator to start with, and make it easy to just turn off parts for saves where someone doesn't survive. Is there anyone posting here that does NOT have a save where everyone lived?

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

You do only need two people to survive for Shepard to survive, yes.

Liara and Ash/Kaidan and surviors for your squad. A default Shepard will have importent characters, and if you import one you need two people alive, theres your squad. That ends all complaining and it more cost friendly for Bioware.

It is possible to have as little as 4 characters if they do this.   Will they make a few new characters just in case to give you a squad of 6?  IDK.

My point was that even if the entire ME2 squad is brought back in a squad mate role, their characterations probably won't be as deep or plot critical as Liara's or the Virmire survivors, as each individual character could be dead in anyone's save.

[Goodwood]

I had reach...

[scmadsen]

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

[Sunnie]

But, the fact that there are soo many different interpretations of what is out there just means that BW is failing horribly with this whole thing, and their reputation is being hammered pretty heavily right now. They only way they could save face and make all of the LIs from ME2 happy is to give them all equal treatment.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

You do only need two people to survive for Shepard to survive, yes.

Liara and Ash/Kaidan and surviors for your squad. A default Shepard will have importent characters, and if you import one you need two people alive, theres your squad. That ends all complaining and it more cost friendly for Bioware.

It is possible to have as little as 4 characters if they do this.   Will they make a few new characters just in case to give you a squad of 6?  IDK.

My point was that even if the entire ME2 squad is brought back in a squad mate role, their characterations probably won't be as deep or plot critical as Liara's or the Virmire survivors, as each individual character could be dead in anyone's save.

As of now Miri, Liara and virmir survior have heavy plot armor. While Miri can still die YOU as a player need to work hard to kill her. She can't die as anyone else so Bioware has plans with her and if she dies, then you miss out, if you have people died then you should miss out on stuff and make the game harder. It is more cheaper to use old squadmates (which some have high profile VA) them aking new characters which would be a waste. Too many people are connected to alot of the characters and for ME3 to pull around and tell us we need to recruit a whole team would be cheap and would do more harm thn good.

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Equal as in time and character. Just because they "can" die, does not mean they won't get equal treatment. As I explained, the fact that it is difficult to get people actually killed, and everyone will have a save where everyone lives, that will be the lowest common denominator to start with, and make it easy to just turn off parts for saves where someone doesn't survive. Is there anyone posting here that does NOT have a save where everyone lived?

Yeah, but no individual ME2 character can be plot critical as they could die.  Also, do you think they'd spend more time developing characters that are definitely there vs. characters that may or may not be in everyone's saves?  I don't know, but going by past history, they don't like to put the time and effort into dealing with possibly dead characters.

[kraidy1117]

scmadsen wrote...

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

Miri
Legion

Right there, those two where very importent in ME2 and will be very importent in ME3. I am not going to get into about Miri, it's common knowladge Bioware has plans for her, as for Legion, not only are Geth immortal, but in order to even contact the Geth you need him. For a default Shepard they will pick two importent characters and yhave them on your team. You should be punshed if you had people die.