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[WilliamShatner]

Sunnie22 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I believe all of the ME2 crew as well as ME1 LIs will get an equal measure of the ME3 spotlight.

Equal how?  As in time, maybe.  As in quality of character development or impact on the story, no.  The ME2 crew could all die so they can't fit into the story critically while Liara and the Virmire survivor can.  I fear the ME2 crew will have disappointingly small and meaningless conversations with Shepard and they cannot be plot critical.  It will feel cheap to most, but that's the drawback of having a bunch of people that could die worked into a squad mate role.

Equal as in time and character. Just because they "can" die, does not mean they won't get equal treatment. As I explained, the fact that it is difficult to get people actually killed, and everyone will have a save where everyone lives, that will be the lowest common denominator to start with, and make it easy to just turn off parts for saves where someone doesn't survive. Is there anyone posting here that does NOT have a save where everyone lived?

Not as many people as those who had a save file where Wrex survived I'd wager...

[WilliamShatner]

kraidy1117 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

Miri
Legion

Right there, those two where very importent in ME2 and will be very importent in ME3. I am not going to get into about Miri, it's common knowladge Bioware has plans for her, as for Legion, not only are Geth immortal, but in order to even contact the Geth you need him. For a default Shepard they will pick two importent characters and yhave them on your team. You should be punshed if you had people die.

You are blinded by delusional fanboism.  Miranda is in no way important to the story, especially if you told TIM where to go.  There's no reason for her to be on the ship anymore.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

As of now Miri, Liara and virmir survior have heavy plot armor. While Miri can still die YOU as a player need to work hard to kill her. She can't die as anyone else so Bioware has plans with her and if she dies, then you miss out, if you have people died then you should miss out on stuff and make the game harder. It is more cheaper to use old squadmates (which some have high profile VA) them aking new characters which would be a waste. Too many people are connected to alot of the characters and for ME3 to pull around and tell us we need to recruit a whole team would be cheap and would do more harm thn good.

Miranda is tough to get killed (you have to know exactly how to do it which probably entails coming on to these boards) but others aren't so lucky.  I'd be surprised if Miranda didn't have a larger role than the others. 

I'm not talking about getting a new team right now.  I was just bringing up a though that if the ME2 crew can all come back as ME3 squad mates, their character development might be less awesome than those ME1 crew members that have the plot armor.  Their roles would also not be plot critical, while Liara/Ashley/Kaidan's can be.

As for the game being harder if people die, I don't agree with that.  You might have a pool of less squad mates to pick from, but it won't be any harder.  You will miss out on seeing what happens to that character in the end, that's it.  Some people don't care about this for squad mates they hate and want to purposely kill those squad mates.  And since these squad mates can't really have plot critical roles, you won't miss out on anything that effects the plot in ME3.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Equal as in time and character. Just because they "can" die, does not mean they won't get equal treatment. As I explained, the fact that it is difficult to get people actually killed, and everyone will have a save where everyone lives, that will be the lowest common denominator to start with, and make it easy to just turn off parts for saves where someone doesn't survive. Is there anyone posting here that does NOT have a save where everyone lived?

Yeah, but no individual ME2 character can be plot critical as they could die.  Also, do you think they'd spend more time developing characters that are definitely there vs. characters that may or may not be in everyone's saves?  I don't know, but going by past history, they don't like to put the time and effort into dealing with possibly dead characters.

Plot critical doesn't necessarily lock into one character and that character only, BW has already demostrated the ability to use alternate characters and slightly change dialog to make it fit.  Like I said, I really hope I am wrong about a lot of my beliefs, only time will tell.

[kraidy1117]

WilliamShatner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

Miri
Legion

Right there, those two where very importent in ME2 and will be very importent in ME3. I am not going to get into about Miri, it's common knowladge Bioware has plans for her, as for Legion, not only are Geth immortal, but in order to even contact the Geth you need him. For a default Shepard they will pick two importent characters and yhave them on your team. You should be punshed if you had people die.

You are blinded by delusional fanboism.  Miranda is in no way important to the story, especially if you told TIM where to go.  There's no reason for her to be on the ship anymore.

Lets see. If we have to take TIM down we are going to need someone who has seen him in person. Miri. Bioware can easly pull Miris father as being a villien. Plus the people who roamnced her, you have to work to kill her, you can make any acuse you want, but alot of people have accepted Bioware has plans for her, and if you want to bring the "but she can still die" Bioware had to make her killable, but unlike everyone else, she is alot harder to kill.

As I have said, if Bioware wants to make ME2 meangful, then players should be punshed if you lose people. Lose Tali? The Quarians are pissed off at you and might not even hel;p you. Grunt dies? The Krogans will not be happy and if Wrex is not leading the Krogans then you have no Krogan army. Miri dies? You lose one of your ways to get into Cerberus and it will be harder. You should be punshed.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

As of now Miri, Liara and virmir survior have heavy plot armor. While Miri can still die YOU as a player need to work hard to kill her. She can't die as anyone else so Bioware has plans with her and if she dies, then you miss out, if you have people died then you should miss out on stuff and make the game harder. It is more cheaper to use old squadmates (which some have high profile VA) them aking new characters which would be a waste. Too many people are connected to alot of the characters and for ME3 to pull around and tell us we need to recruit a whole team would be cheap and would do more harm thn good.

Miranda is tough to get killed (you have to know exactly how to do it which probably entails coming on to these boards) but others aren't so lucky.  I'd be surprised if Miranda didn't have a larger role than the others. 

I'm not talking about getting a new team right now.  I was just bringing up a though that if the ME2 crew can all come back as ME3 squad mates, their character development might be less awesome than those ME1 crew members that have the plot armor.  Their roles would also not be plot critical, while Liara/Ashley/Kaidan's can be.

As for the game being harder if people die, I don't agree with that.  You might have a pool of less squad mates to pick from, but it won't be any harder.  You will miss out on seeing what happens to that character in the end, that's it.  Some people don't care about this for squad mates they hate and want to purposely kill those squad mates.  And since these squad mates can't really have plot critical roles, you won't miss out on anything that effects the plot in ME3.

Bioware should, Bioware should reward the players who made bonds with the characters and made sure they all lived. If you lose Tali, it should bite you in the ass, just like if you lose Grunt. If you guys read the emails, both emails for when you recruit Tali and when Grunt is loyal tells you they will not be pleased if they die. Bioware giving no reward to people who made sure everyone livid  will be cheap and would make the suicide mission worthless, and if no ME2 charactrs are squadmates, then it would make ME2 a huge waste of 50 hours of my life and other people.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

As I have said, if Bioware wants to make ME2 meangful, then players should be punshed if you lose people. Lose Tali? The Quarians are pissed off at you and might not even hel;p you. Grunt dies? The Krogans will not be happy and if Wrex is not leading the Krogans then you have no Krogan army. Miri dies? You lose one of your ways to get into Cerberus and it will be harder. You should be punshed.

Ideally, yes, of course you are right.  Will BW implement it this way?  Judging from what they did with ME2, probably not.  I'm going to guess that the death of an individual ME2 character will not effect ME3 much.

[Sunnie]

rynluna wrote...

Look what I found:


<3

/melt

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

As I have said, if Bioware wants to make ME2 meangful, then players should be punshed if you lose people. Lose Tali? The Quarians are pissed off at you and might not even hel;p you. Grunt dies? The Krogans will not be happy and if Wrex is not leading the Krogans then you have no Krogan army. Miri dies? You lose one of your ways to get into Cerberus and it will be harder. You should be punshed.

Ideally, yes, of course you are right.  Will BW implement it this way?  Judging from what they did with ME2, probably not.  I'm going to guess that the death of an individual ME2 character will not effect ME3 much.

ME2 is the second part, this is Biowares last chance to grab new fans for the final. No one in there right mind would buy the last of the trilogy and if they do, then they should be lost. Bioware was smart as a buisness to do what they did with ME2. Not only did it outsell ME, but it also upped ME sales. Just because ME2 did something, does not mean ME3 will, because it is the final chapter.

[AZ RUSH]

I think Bioware is going to blow people's minds with ME3. I'm pretty sure they have been saving up the ME series to end with pure amazingness. I think that they almost wanted ME1+2 to be seperate from each other, then in ME3 it is all combined together. All squad mates have major roles, whether or not they could die, and they take the best game features from each IE: RPG elements from 1, and shooter elements from2, to create a true RPG with great shooter elements.



My estimated amount of disks since i play on the 360: 4.



This may seem impossible, but hey a lot of "impossible" things have happened.

I'd rather have a lot of disks than lack in character development and game play, and if they have to charge more than $60 i say so what.



Optimism at its best

[jtav]

The ME2 team can't be plot critical. End of story, though if it were me, I would make the best ending for some plot threads dependent upon having certain characters alive. You can forge a peace between the quarians and geth, but only if Tali and Legion survived. Etc. I would very much like to have my ME2 LI back in some capacity. I want my Shep romanced Liara to have a happy ending . I want my Shep that romanced Miranda to have a happy ending. I don't think that's unreasonable.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ME2 is the second part, this is Biowares last chance to grab new fans for the final. No one in there right mind would buy the last of the trilogy and if they do, then they should be lost. Bioware was smart as a buisness to do what they did with ME2. Not only did it outsell ME, but it also upped ME sales. Just because ME2 did something, does not mean ME3 will, because it is the final chapter.

They've also said ME3 is another 'stand-alone' game.  Maybe the ME2 squad will be back, maybe not, but I'm just not going to expect it.  That way, I cannot be disappointed that my decisions mean crap yet again.

[scmadsen]

rynluna wrote...

Look what I found:


<3

Aww, that's so cute!

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ME2 is the second part, this is Biowares last chance to grab new fans for the final. No one in there right mind would buy the last of the trilogy and if they do, then they should be lost. Bioware was smart as a buisness to do what they did with ME2. Not only did it outsell ME, but it also upped ME sales. Just because ME2 did something, does not mean ME3 will, because it is the final chapter.

They've also said ME3 is another 'stand-alone' game.  Maybe the ME2 squad will be back, maybe not, but I'm just not going to expect it.  That way, I cannot be disappointed that my decisions mean crap yet again.

All games are stand-alone. Stand-alone means you don't need older games to play it. An expansion is an example of a non stand-alone game. You need the game to play the expansion, you don't need to buy MEW and ME2 to play ME3, but realy, who in there mind is going to pick up knowing it's the final game? If they do, they should be lost and be at a disadvanatge.

I work in the buisness industry and it's smart money wise to use the old squadmates from ME and ME2 in ME3. Not only have they worked hard on making all these characters, some have high profile VOs and every character (expect Jacob) that is small or huge. It will cost more money to make new characters and get new VOs then use the ones you have already. Plus you are also pissing on the fans and in doing so will make sure alot of the fans don't buy it. I sure as hell won't buy it if Bioware gives us a whole sqaud, Bioware doing that is pretty much telling me ME and ME2 was a complete waste of time.

[JaylaClark]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ME2 is the second part, this is Biowares last chance to grab new fans for the final. No one in there right mind would buy the last of the trilogy and if they do, then they should be lost. Bioware was smart as a buisness to do what they did with ME2. Not only did it outsell ME, but it also upped ME sales. Just because ME2 did something, does not mean ME3 will, because it is the final chapter.

They've also said ME3 is another 'stand-alone' game.  Maybe the ME2 squad will be back, maybe not, but I'm just not going to expect it.  That way, I cannot be disappointed that my decisions mean crap yet again.

What bugs me is that the interview in which Casey said that ME3 will be another 'game that stands alone' -- that's how he put it, if I recall correctly, not sure if it changes the semantics any -- he also said that 'something like a thousand decisions' (possibly paraphrasing, but that's the number he mentioned for sure) will be tracked.

If we're to consider everything that Casey says bs, our brains will explode, because they seem to contradict each other!

(Oh, and @nozy -- sorry, I actually respect you too much to skip your posts.  Even though your habit of leading off a post with '/shrug' makes me itch.  As much as I sometimes hate to admit it, we can have too much sunshine... but we can't have too much respect.  At all.)

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ME2 is the second part, this is Biowares last chance to grab new fans for the final. No one in there right mind would buy the last of the trilogy and if they do, then they should be lost. Bioware was smart as a buisness to do what they did with ME2. Not only did it outsell ME, but it also upped ME sales. Just because ME2 did something, does not mean ME3 will, because it is the final chapter.

They've also said ME3 is another 'stand-alone' game.  Maybe the ME2 squad will be back, maybe not, but I'm just not going to expect it.  That way, I cannot be disappointed that my decisions mean crap yet again.

What bugs me is that the interview in which Casey said that ME3 will be another 'game that stands alone' -- that's how he put it, if I recall correctly, not sure if it changes the semantics any -- he also said that 'something like a thousand decisions' (possibly paraphrasing, but that's the number he mentioned for sure) will be tracked.

If we're to consider everything that Casey says bs, our brains will explode, because they seem to contradict each other!

(Oh, and @nozy -- sorry, I actually respect you too much to skip your posts.  Even though your habit of leading off a post with '/shrug' makes me itch.  As much as I sometimes hate to admit it, we can have too much sunshine... but we can't have too much respect.  At all.)

Did you read the whole interview? He also says that ME3 will be a reward for the fans who played ME and ME2.

[scmadsen]

Sunshine...that stuff is evil...it burns...

[kraidy1117]

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

[jlb524]

I'm just going to expect the worse with this. That way, no disappointment. Pessimism ftw!



I have a Shepard that had everyone survive and I have one where 6 people died. I'm not going to expect a significantly different ME3 experience between the two saves. If there is, that would be great as that is how it should be, but if not, I won't be disappointed.