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[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm just going to expect the worse with this. That way, no disappointment. Pessimism ftw!

I have a Shepard that had everyone survive and I have one where 6 people died. I'm not going to expect a significantly different ME3 experience between the two saves. If there is, that would be great as that is how it should be, but if not, I won't be disappointed.

Which I don't get, I can't kill any of the characters in ME2, well expect Jacob but I still make sure he survives. If you want to see people die, watch it on youtube.........

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Then why do you trust him wehen he said ME3 is going to be a standalone game

[jtav]

Really, as long as I don't get the proverbial middle finger for daring to prefer my ME2 LI, I will be happy. I bent over backwards a couple of times to have no ME romance going into ME2 so I wouldn't "cheat", and I will be extremely upset if it turns out Miranda, Garrus, et al existed only as a temptation.

[WilliamShatner]

kraidy1117 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

Miri
Legion

Right there, those two where very importent in ME2 and will be very importent in ME3. I am not going to get into about Miri, it's common knowladge Bioware has plans for her, as for Legion, not only are Geth immortal, but in order to even contact the Geth you need him. For a default Shepard they will pick two importent characters and yhave them on your team. You should be punshed if you had people die.

You are blinded by delusional fanboism.  Miranda is in no way important to the story, especially if you told TIM where to go.  There's no reason for her to be on the ship anymore.

Lets see. If we have to take TIM down we are going to need someone who has seen him in person. Miri. Bioware can easly pull Miris father as being a villien. Plus the people who roamnced her, you have to work to kill her, you can make any acuse you want, but alot of people have accepted Bioware has plans for her, and if you want to bring the "but she can still die" Bioware had to make her killable, but unlike everyone else, she is alot harder to kill.

As I have said, if Bioware wants to make ME2 meangful, then players should be punshed if you lose people. Lose Tali? The Quarians are pissed off at you and might not even hel;p you. Grunt dies? The Krogans will not be happy and if Wrex is not leading the Krogans then you have no Krogan army. Miri dies? You lose one of your ways to get into Cerberus and it will be harder. You should be punshed.

You mean someone like Liara? 

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

This is for sure. EA does sign his checks after all.

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

Well, seeing as I'm the one who officially declared you 'not a troll' in the case of last night -- though I do tend to trust nozy's judgment, as little as it appears I do some days -- I probably should field this.

Casey Hudson said post ME1 a lot of things about the game that we don't tend to believe came true.  He suggested we would be able to continue our LI relationships into ME2, which is genuinely debatable if we can apply that.  (Ash and Kai growl at us and send a letter later, Liara ... gets to kiss Liaramancers at the expense of a hug when she really needs it, or so we've consensus'd.  PLUS when the comic came out, sc and a few others took it as proof that Liara loves Feron for about a day or three, though I believe we've been able to decide that there's nothing clear to take from that comic, probably by design.)

So when Casey says that we're getting rewarded... many people here tend to take that not with a grain of salt, but the whole shaker.  Especially since he's saying it just after ME2 is released -- who knows what can change between then and now?

[kraidy1117]

WilliamShatner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I think you forget, that any two can be the ones that survive, and thus your point fails. They would have to do all the characters again, or sideline them all...which do you think is more likely...yea, the cheaper way. When it's random as to who lived...let me spell it out for you...not everyone saves the same characters, as everyone else...then end up with a case of everyone or no one. I also don't buy that everyone saved everyone...how many threads are there with people saying they killed off half their crew and wondering what they did wrong.

Miri
Legion

Right there, those two where very importent in ME2 and will be very importent in ME3. I am not going to get into about Miri, it's common knowladge Bioware has plans for her, as for Legion, not only are Geth immortal, but in order to even contact the Geth you need him. For a default Shepard they will pick two importent characters and yhave them on your team. You should be punshed if you had people die.

You are blinded by delusional fanboism.  Miranda is in no way important to the story, especially if you told TIM where to go.  There's no reason for her to be on the ship anymore.

Lets see. If we have to take TIM down we are going to need someone who has seen him in person. Miri. Bioware can easly pull Miris father as being a villien. Plus the people who roamnced her, you have to work to kill her, you can make any acuse you want, but alot of people have accepted Bioware has plans for her, and if you want to bring the "but she can still die" Bioware had to make her killable, but unlike everyone else, she is alot harder to kill.

As I have said, if Bioware wants to make ME2 meangful, then players should be punshed if you lose people. Lose Tali? The Quarians are pissed off at you and might not even hel;p you. Grunt dies? The Krogans will not be happy and if Wrex is not leading the Krogans then you have no Krogan army. Miri dies? You lose one of your ways to get into Cerberus and it will be harder. You should be punshed.

You mean someone like Liara? 

No, you need someone who was Cerberus, someone who was high up and can get Shepard in. Liara only did one operation with TIM and then he turns around and says he thinks she is working for SB. Only Miri can do it, and if she dies, then you should be punsihed. Maybe it takes harder to get in, mayb e a character dies ect. In oder to make ME2 a true second part things from ME2 need to make a diffrence and seening as the whole game is about getting a team and getting them to trust you, for Bioware to make there deaths not mean anything will be poor and cheap.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Then why do you trust him wehen he said ME3 is going to be a standalone game

I will trust him on that b/c it matches what they did in the past with ME2.  About 'choices mattering'....well, he said that about ME2 (and also that the ME1 LIs would still be 'important' even though they were cameoed) and that was a lie, or maybe an 'exageration', whichever you prefer.

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

Well, seeing as I'm the one who officially declared you 'not a troll' in the case of last night -- though I do tend to trust nozy's judgment, as little as it appears I do some days -- I probably should field this.

Casey Hudson said post ME1 a lot of things about the game that we don't tend to believe came true.  He suggested we would be able to continue our LI relationships into ME2, which is genuinely debatable if we can apply that.  (Ash and Kai growl at us and send a letter later, Liara ... gets to kiss Liaramancers at the expense of a hug when she really needs it, or so we've consensus'd.  PLUS when the comic came out, sc and a few others took it as proof that Liara loves Feron for about a day or three, though I believe we've been able to decide that there's nothing clear to take from that comic, probably by design.)

So when Casey says that we're getting rewarded... many people here tend to take that not with a grain of salt, but the whole shaker.  Especially since he's saying it just after ME2 is released -- who knows what can change between then and now?

Well I heard the Liara, Ash and Kaidan where getting crappy cameos before the game was out, I had a feeling our choices would onnly affect dialog. Gues what, that happened. I was not disapointed at all, because I kept a huge watch on ME2, I read all the interviews, ones that Casey made a huge mistake and spoiled things (like Garrus being recruitable) So realy, you can beleive that Casey says it's going to be a stand-aloner game, yet don;t beleive that he says ME3 will be a reward. That is being narrowminded.

[jlb524]

Why would he lie about the stand-alone thing? It's not like most people want to hear that. On the flip-side, saying 'choices matter' is something most want to hear and will help sell games.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Then why do you trust him wehen he said ME3 is going to be a standalone game

I will trust him on that b/c it matches what they did in the past with ME2.  About 'choices mattering'....well, he said that about ME2 (and also that the ME1 LIs would still be 'important' even though they were cameoed) and that was a lie, or maybe an 'exageration', whichever you prefer.

The interview I read was that he said Ash, Kaidan and Liara where getting cameos so they would be alive for ME3, that happened. Choices affected dialog and how people treated you, if you thought the Rachni choice was going to infect ME2 big time, then that was your fault for getting to hyped. I expected diffrent dialog, side quest and how people treated you and thats what we go and I was happy. Too many people got too hyped up about ME2 and all these promises, you should have learned your mistake from the first ME. ME to me was a huge disapointment because of all the hype it was getting and it did not deleiver. ME2 deleivered.

I understand your guys fustration that liara was not handled well, but if anything Ash/Kaidan got the worse of it. The point is you guys got a comic for her (does not matter if it was crap or not) and you will most likely be getting a huge DLC or even part of an expansion for Liara. Plus she is the only non killable squadmate. Liara has got alot of treatment and it makes sence that Bioware has huge plans for her.

[jtav]

In a weird way, I don't want my ME2 LIs in my squad. What they do for one, they have to do for all. Combine that with the inevitable new squad mates, and you could have some serious dilution. To take Miranda as an example, I'd rather her be in the game for 30 minutes and have her react differently depending on whether she resigned than have her be generic for 30 hours. Now, if they could give everybody a good continuing romance plot, I'd be thrilled, but the logistics of doing it for nine people make my head hurt.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Why would he lie about the stand-alone thing? It's not like most people want to hear that. On the flip-side, saying 'choices matter' is something most want to hear and will help sell games.

Stand-alone means you don't need the other games to play it,, you can put the disc in and play it right away, thats stand-alone. ME3 is not an expansion, thus it is a stand-alone game.

[JaylaClark]

jlb524 wrote...

Why would he lie about the stand-alone thing? It's not like most people want to hear that. On the flip-side, saying 'choices matter' is something most want to hear and will help sell games.

Valid points both -- though for some very weird reason, people do have this strange aversion to needing to play a minimum of 10 + 15 hours to be able to step into a game.  (And truth be told, someone was going nuts about needing to import a save in order to be able to kiss Liara, which both tells you a hell of a lot about how good a rep that Lia has even outside this circle and tells you how lazy gamers are.)

So some people would like to hear that they can walk into, or start fresh with, a game, because the idea of having that many carryover decisions could intimidate them.  And sadly, unlike in Redemption where they should've assumed a Shep who was very kind to Liara, probably even assumed a romance, they can't ignore new gamers, from what I can tell.

Having said that, someone could take a look at the sales for ME1 and ME2, note the lesser amount for the second one, and consider that the full-trilogy players deserve their moments most, since more people played Mass Effect than its sequel.  To quote our dear friend and speedcore metal fan Stubbs, "BioWare wants our money, and if we're not happy with the product they lose our money, right?"

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Why would he lie about the stand-alone thing? It's not like most people want to hear that. On the flip-side, saying 'choices matter' is something most want to hear and will help sell games.

Valid points both -- though for some very weird reason, people do have this strange aversion to needing to play a minimum of 10 + 15 hours to be able to step into a game.  (And truth be told, someone was going nuts about needing to import a save in order to be able to kiss Liara, which both tells you a hell of a lot about how good a rep that Lia has even outside this circle and tells you how lazy gamers are.)

So some people would like to hear that they can walk into, or start fresh with, a game, because the idea of having that many carryover decisions could intimidate them.  And sadly, unlike in Redemption where they should've assumed a Shep who was very kind to Liara, probably even assumed a romance, they can't ignore new gamers, from what I can tell.

Having said that, someone could take a look at the sales for ME1 and ME2, note the lesser amount for the second one, and consider that the full-trilogy players deserve their moments most, since more people played Mass Effect than its sequel.  To quote our dear friend and speedcore metal fan Stubbs, "BioWare wants our money, and if we're not happy with the product they lose our money, right?"

What do you mean by that? ME2 outsold ME and also raised ME sales. ME2 sold better and was better reviewed by critics and gamers alike. Majority of the community perfer ME2. ME2 did better, the only thing that sucked with ME2 was the story.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The interview I read was that he said Ash, Kaidan and Liara where getting cameos so they would be alive for ME3, that happened. Choices affected dialog and how people treated you, if you thought the Rachni choice was going to infect ME2 big time, then that was your fault for getting to hyped.

I didn't expect the Rachni thing to play out in ME2.  I did expect Ash, Kaidan, and Liara to have 'important cameos' as that is what Casey said they would have.  They didn't.

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

/gotta start snipping these

Valid points both -- though for some very weird reason, people do have this strange aversion to needing to play a minimum of 10 + 15 hours to be able to step into a game.  (And truth be told, someone was going nuts about needing to import a save in order to be able to kiss Liara, which both tells you a hell of a lot about how good a rep that Lia has even outside this circle and tells you how lazy gamers are.)

So some people would like to hear that they can walk into, or start fresh with, a game, because the idea of having that many carryover decisions could intimidate them.  And sadly, unlike in Redemption where they should've assumed a Shep who was very kind to Liara, probably even assumed a romance, they can't ignore new gamers, from what I can tell.

Having said that, someone could take a look at the sales for ME1 and ME2, note the lesser amount for the second one, and consider that the full-trilogy players deserve their moments most, since more people played Mass Effect than its sequel.  To quote our dear friend and speedcore metal fan Stubbs, "BioWare wants our money, and if we're not happy with the product they lose our money, right?"

What do you mean by that? ME2 outsold ME and also raised ME sales. ME2 sold better and was better reviewed by critics and gamers alike. Majority of the community perfer ME2. ME2 did better, the only thing that sucked with ME2 was the story.

Okay, we're reasonable people here ... well, some of us.  But I've realized you don't go looking for links with as much enthusiasm as we do, so I'll get back to you after I search out the sales figures.

But I personally take the better reviewed idea with a grain of salt.  PC Gamer gave the original PC version a 91 and Mass Effect 2 a 90, and they've been my most consistent source for games practically my entire adult life, since EGM died.

Modifié par JaylaClark, 25 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

In a weird way, I don't want my ME2 LIs in my squad. What they do for one, they have to do for all. Combine that with the inevitable new squad mates, and you could have some serious dilution. To take Miranda as an example, I'd rather her be in the game for 30 minutes and have her react differently depending on whether she resigned than have her be generic for 30 hours. Now, if they could give everybody a good continuing romance plot, I'd be thrilled, but the logistics of doing it for nine people make my head hurt.

There possibly will be some dilution if everyone is a squad mate.  I fear the ME2 people will take the brunt of it as any one of them could possibly be dead in any given save.

I'd prefer a shorter but more in depth interaction to a crappy generic squad mate role.  I had hopes that this would be what they did with Ash/Kaidan/Liara in ME2 but they didn't.

[JaylaClark]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The interview I read was that he said Ash, Kaidan and Liara where getting cameos so they would be alive for ME3, that happened. Choices affected dialog and how people treated you, if you thought the Rachni choice was going to infect ME2 big time, then that was your fault for getting to hyped.

I didn't expect the Rachni thing to play out in ME2.  I did expect Ash, Kaidan, and Liara to have 'important cameos' as that is what Casey said they would have.  They didn't.

Agreed.  And I'll go one better, he said something about how 'players have to get away from the idea of characters having to be squadmates to be significant', unless that was Ray.  I can't remember when he said that, but I understand peoples' nerves after hearing that and playing ME2.  He might have thought that what we got was significant, when they were reduced to a plot device and a plot giver.

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

/gotta start snipping these

Valid points both -- though for some very weird reason, people do have this strange aversion to needing to play a minimum of 10 + 15 hours to be able to step into a game.  (And truth be told, someone was going nuts about needing to import a save in order to be able to kiss Liara, which both tells you a hell of a lot about how good a rep that Lia has even outside this circle and tells you how lazy gamers are.)

So some people would like to hear that they can walk into, or start fresh with, a game, because the idea of having that many carryover decisions could intimidate them.  And sadly, unlike in Redemption where they should've assumed a Shep who was very kind to Liara, probably even assumed a romance, they can't ignore new gamers, from what I can tell.

Having said that, someone could take a look at the sales for ME1 and ME2, note the lesser amount for the second one, and consider that the full-trilogy players deserve their moments most, since more people played Mass Effect than its sequel.  To quote our dear friend and speedcore metal fan Stubbs, "BioWare wants our money, and if we're not happy with the product they lose our money, right?"

What do you mean by that? ME2 outsold ME and also raised ME sales. ME2 sold better and was better reviewed by critics and gamers alike. Majority of the community perfer ME2. ME2 did better, the only thing that sucked with ME2 was the story.

Okay, we're reasonable people here ... well, some of us.  But I've realized you don't go looking for links with as much enthusiasm as we do, so I'll get back to you after I search out the sales figures.

But I personally take the better reviewed idea with a grain of salt.  PC Gamer gave the original PC version a 91 and Mass Effect 2 a 90, and they've been my most consistent source for games practically my entire adult life, since EGM died.

*facepalm* Everyone knows ME2 sold better then ME! ME2 did better then ME, it is the 15 highest rated game of all time, it is the highest rated game this year and will most likely win alot of GOTY. The only thing ME had was a good story and good characters and a good OST. Thats it. The figures I have seen are from Bioware and bunch of gaming websites, ME2 sold better.

[ratzerman]

Sunnie22 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

This is for sure. EA does sign his checks after all.

Completely agree. 

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

*facepalm* Everyone knows ME2 sold better then ME! ME2 did better then ME, it is the 15 highest rated game of all time, it is the highest rated game this year and will most likely win alot of GOTY. The only thing ME had was a good story and good characters and a good OST. Thats it. The figures I have seen are from Bioware and bunch of gaming websites, ME2 sold better.

Okay, I'm going to start asking you to include links for this, I can't find a 'sales figures' post to save my life.  And to be frank, 'everyone knows' isn't much of a supporting statement.