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[JaylaClark]

bergerrz wrote...

Singularity is the win button.

If ANY power is Press A To Not Die ...

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Pretty much this.  Based on what we got with ME2 I would suggest think up the worst possible scenario you can imagine for ME3 and then expect a notch or two below that.  I came into ME2 with incredibly low expectations considering we already knew ahead of time they had discarded the ME1 romances.  BW failed to meet even those expectations.

And lmfao at bringing up anything CH said as "evidence" that ME3 is going to reward folks of previous games. Yeah, I feel real rewarded. <_<

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Pretty much this.  Based on what we got with ME2 I would suggest think up the worst possible scenario you can imagine for ME3 and then expect a notch or two below that.  I came into ME2 with incredibly low expectations considering we already knew ahead of time they had discarded the ME1 romances.  BW failed to meet even those expectations.

And lmfao at bringing up anything CH said as "evidence" that ME3 is going to reward folks of previous games. Yeah, I feel real rewarded. <_<

That is my far the weakest argument to say you hate a game. Some of the liara fans always seem to surprise me.

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Pretty much this.  Based on what we got with ME2 I would suggest think up the worst possible scenario you can imagine for ME3 and then expect a notch or two below that.  I came into ME2 with incredibly low expectations considering we already knew ahead of time they had discarded the ME1 romances.  BW failed to meet even those expectations.

And lmfao at bringing up anything CH said as "evidence" that ME3 is going to reward folks of previous games. Yeah, I feel real rewarded. <_<

That is my far the weakest argument to say you hate a game. Some of the liara fans always seem to surprise me.

Oh, you were doing so well, too...  

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Pretty much this.  Based on what we got with ME2 I would suggest think up the worst possible scenario you can imagine for ME3 and then expect a notch or two below that.  I came into ME2 with incredibly low expectations considering we already knew ahead of time they had discarded the ME1 romances.  BW failed to meet even those expectations.

And lmfao at bringing up anything CH said as "evidence" that ME3 is going to reward folks of previous games. Yeah, I feel real rewarded. <_<

That is my far the weakest argument to say you hate a game. Some of the liara fans always seem to surprise me.

Oh, you were doing so well, too...  

Most hate for ME2 comes from alot of the Liara fans, why you guys can't be like the Kaidan and Ash fans are beyond me. At least there is a couple of Liara fans that are nice (you know who you are)

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 avril 2010 - 04:47 .

[bergerrz]

We'll this is the intended feeling they wanted us to have after me2. To leave us wanting more. Although I do hate the to be continued endings.

[kraidy1117]

bergerrz wrote...

We'll this is the intended feeling they wanted us to have after me2. To leave us wanting more. Although I do hate the to be continued endings.

Thats the whole point of the second act and I want more ME. I am looking forward to ME3 alot.

[Nozybidaj]

Sunnie22 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
The only thing ME had was a good story and good characters and a good OST. Thats it.

A lot of people in this thread.... including me.... will say that a good story with good characters is the most important factor in determining a game's quality.

Yes. I could care less abotu the shooter mechanic of the game, I would pay triple for ME3 that was all abotu the story and NO shooter combat. Don't get me wrong, I love shooters, have played about all of them, but I don't love MAss Effect for its shooter, its the story and characters. There are a whole lot better shooters out there than either ME games.

Agreed, to me personaly while as far as an "action game" goes ME2 probably has the best combat related mechanics of any BW game I've played.  ME1 and DA:O are far, far, far superior games to me though because of the story and the characters.

ME2 was a gimmick.  Someone came up with this idea of a "suicide mission" and they stapled a story and characters around it.  It wasn't a sequel to ME1 for sure, and at times I still have trouble rationalizing BW thinking we would take the game seriously at all.  Its more like an ME parody than anything.

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GUYS! Casey says in the interview that ME3 will also be a reward for ME and ME2.

I don't trust much of what he says anymore.  He'll say anything to sell ME3.

Pretty much this.  Based on what we got with ME2 I would suggest think up the worst possible scenario you can imagine for ME3 and then expect a notch or two below that.  I came into ME2 with incredibly low expectations considering we already knew ahead of time they had discarded the ME1 romances.  BW failed to meet even those expectations.

And lmfao at bringing up anything CH said as "evidence" that ME3 is going to reward folks of previous games. Yeah, I feel real rewarded. <_<

You're referring to the forum meltdown I've heard about when Priestly shut down the LI threads at the old forums because they were going to be 'insignificant' in ME2?  I don't blame you for having low expectations at all, then.  I think we've got a realistic chance to recover the story, given that they have no excuses to keep anyone away, and they did give a bunch of 'fanservice' to ME1 players in the second game (just not us so much ).  But I understand how you'd disagree with that, and ... well, we've already agreed to disagree a while ago, haven't we?

Plus you do better at being the John Lennon of this thread than sc does.  (Sc fits a better 'cautiously pessimistic/optimistic' mood IMO.)

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
The only thing ME had was a good story and good characters and a good OST. Thats it.

A lot of people in this thread.... including me.... will say that a good story with good characters is the most important factor in determining a game's quality.

Yes. I could care less abotu the shooter mechanic of the game, I would pay triple for ME3 that was all abotu the story and NO shooter combat. Don't get me wrong, I love shooters, have played about all of them, but I don't love MAss Effect for its shooter, its the story and characters. There are a whole lot better shooters out there than either ME games.

Agreed, to me personaly while as far as an "action game" goes ME2 probably has the best combat related mechanics of any BW game I've played.  ME1 and DA:O are far, far, far superior games to me though because of the story and the characters.

ME2 was a gimmick.  Someone came up with this idea of a "suicide mission" and they stapled a story and characters around it.  It wasn't a sequel to ME1 for sure, and at times I still have trouble rationalizing BW thinking we would take the game seriously at all.  Its more like an ME parody than anything.

The Collectors are abducting humans to make a new Reaper because of the events in ME. You would know that if you where not filled with ME2 hate because ONE character was not in the game, DAO main story was crap. The Darkspawn where a rip off lfrom the Bhaalspawn, the only good thing about DAO was the side stories and characters, just like ME2. BG2, KOTOR and Jade Empire trump ME story so much.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 avril 2010 - 04:53 .

[Nozybidaj]

JaylaClark wrote...


Oh, you were doing so well, too...  

It's like I have my own hate club like we have for Mac.  I think its cute.

[scmadsen]

What, I didn't do anything...It's not my fault. What? Ok...BioWare bad, me smash...I love Liara so much...is that about right?

[jlb524]

Here's a picture







It's even from ME2!

[kraidy1117]

I like the Liara in ME2. Is that a bad thing?

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Most hate for ME2 comes from alot of the Liara fans, why you guys can't be like the Kaidan and Ash fans are beyond me. At least there is a couple of Liara fans that are nice (you know who you are)

I'm going to astound you and agree with you partially -- we're pretty close to insane about how ME2 came out in this thread.  Having said that, we feel totally justified in hating the story.  And like I said, we're story freaks, proud of it, et al.  I like the gameplay though I think it needs tweaking, but the story is practically a Shaggy Dog story even when one accepts the LI reduction to not-even-glorified cameos.  (We foiled the Collectors'... practically impossible task of collecting the population of the Earth to build a baby Reaper.  That is, unless the Reapers were coming anyway, but we never heard that.)

Thing is, to come into a Liara thread and say that all Liara fans are insane ... -1 point on the common-sense meter, kraidy.  Personal attacks devalue positions, despite how American politics seems to think, and your point is instantly devalued to the rational eye by lumping the majority of us in.

I think I'm going to step back and watch you and Nozy duke it out, while looking for cute things about Liara to say around you two.  (That is, if Nozy's up to it.)

[JaylaClark]

scmadsen wrote...

What, I didn't do anything...It's not my fault. What? Ok...BioWare bad, me smash...I love Liara so much...is that about right?

YES!

It was just a left-handed compliment to Nozy, don't worry

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I like the Liara in ME2. Is that a bad thing?

No.  I like her in ME2 as well.  I don't like how they executed her role in the game, especially the 'romance' part of it.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 avril 2010 - 05:00 .

[Nozybidaj]

JaylaClark wrote...

I think we've got a realistic chance to recover the story,

Meh, I dunno.  In the end it is all up to BW if they care enough to try and salvage it.  I think they are probably okay with the way they set things up in ME2 and consider it good enough and are gonna run with it. 

Unless they actually do produce a Liara expansion (which I think is a rather dubious prediction at this point) and it is so far beyond epic that it turns this wreck around I think they'll just barrell forward with what they got.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I like the Liara in ME2. Is that a bad thing?

No.  I like her in ME2 as well.  I don't like how they executed her role in the game, especially the 'romance' part of it.

/shrug  I think if in the end this was a completely unavoidable path to take, it had potential.  BW just didn't make anything out of it and went the lazy way with it.

I think there are an innumerable number of others way to have gone with ME2 that didn't require character assassination of the ME1 LI's, but we got what we got.

[kraidy1117]

JaylaClark wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Most hate for ME2 comes from alot of the Liara fans, why you guys can't be like the Kaidan and Ash fans are beyond me. At least there is a couple of Liara fans that are nice (you know who you are)

I'm going to astound you and agree with you partially -- we're pretty close to insane about how ME2 came out in this thread.  Having said that, we feel totally justified in hating the story.  And like I said, we're story freaks, proud of it, et al.  I like the gameplay though I think it needs tweaking, but the story is practically a Shaggy Dog story even when one accepts the LI reduction to not-even-glorified cameos.  (We foiled the Collectors'... practically impossible task of collecting the population of the Earth to build a baby Reaper.  That is, unless the Reapers were coming anyway, but we never heard that.)

Thing is, to come into a Liara thread and say that all Liara fans are insane ... -1 point on the common-sense meter, kraidy.  Personal attacks devalue positions, despite how American politics seems to think, and your point is instantly devalued to the rational eye by lumping the majority of us in.

I think I'm going to step back and watch you and Nozy duke it out, while looking for cute things about Liara to say around you two.  (That is, if Nozy's up to it.)

I am a story fan, I have never argued that the story was crap, but gameplay and characters are two things that trump ME IMHO.  ME story was good, but it was nothing compared to Biowares older games and those games had fantastic gameplay.

As I said, I like the new Liara fan. Also I never all you are, I know a bunch of Liara fans who are nice, hell I don't like Kaidan and some Kaidan fans are even nice to me, but some of the Liara fans are way to extream. They hate ME2 because Liara was given a cameo. Thats what I don't get.

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Collectors are abducting humans to make a new Reaper because of the events in ME. You would know that if you where not filled with ME2 hate because ONE character was not in the game, DAO main story was crap. The Darkspawn where a rip off lfrom the Bhaalspawn, the only good thing about DAO was the side stories and characters, just like ME2. BG2, KOTOR and Jade Empire trump ME story so much.

We know that, as I just said, though ... how long will it take for the Collectors to collect enough humans to make this Reaper?  How is it at all possible that the Council will stand by -- it's starting to react at the near-hundred-thousand-humans gone already from what I can tell, and they're not anywhere near finished with the baby Reaper.  Witness how three people, no more than thirteen if you're going Gameplay and Story Segregation, can kill the bloody thing on foot.  I'm damn sure that it'd take a full year to make the human-Reaper strong enough to even test the Alliance's fleet.

[Nozybidaj]

JaylaClark wrote...
I think I'm going to step back and watch you and Nozy duke it out, while looking for cute things about Liara to say around you two.  (That is, if Nozy's up to it.)

I dunno why he is even in this thread.  He's clearly not a Liara fan and he's only here to try and stir up trouble.  If you guys would just ignore him he'll go back to the Miranda thread where he belongs.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I like the Liara in ME2. Is that a bad thing?

No.  I like her in ME2 as well.  I don't like how they executed her role in the game, especially the 'romance' part of it.

/shrug  I think if in the end this was a completely unavoidable path to take, it had potential.  BW just didn't make anything out of it and went the lazy way with it.

I think there are an innumerable number of others way to have gone with ME2 that didn't require character assassination of the ME1 LI's, but we got what we got.

Nozy, Liara could have gotten the Ash/Kaidan treatment which was very painful. Liara did not pretty much tell you to F off, Liara just thinks her personal matters are more importent then the Reapers. The thing is, you guys might be getting a huge expansion that deals with Liara and the SB and if Bioware lives up to it and gives Liara a huge role, then it was worth giving her the ax in ME2.

[bergerrz]

What about the jump zero admiral hackett dlc ppl are talking about?

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...
I think I'm going to step back and watch you and Nozy duke it out, while looking for cute things about Liara to say around you two.  (That is, if Nozy's up to it.)

I dunno why he is even in this thread.  He's clearly not a Liara fan and he's only here to try and stir up trouble.  If you guys would just ignore him he'll go back to the Miranda thread where he belongs.

You know, you have a point.  This IS the We Love Liara thread, as much as anything is.  Should I go and borrow one of j's pics or is j still here?