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Well, for an expansion of ME2, I don't think the ME2 LIs deserve yet more action.


It would be kind of odd to tack it on for the sake of having it there.  I don't want just an Ashley or Kaidan love scene tacked on either...I want them to also have a role in this DLC or expansion in addition to the lovey scene.    That's if this even happens....it's still all speculation.

Agree, I have always assumed the expansion will include Ash/Kaiden content, not just romance stuff. It would be very cool though if they did do the comented romance pack, that would have to include all LIs. That would also create yet another issue unless they pull Liara and Ash/Kaiden off the sideline before its released. Otherwise, they would be slapping those fans in the face since they will be excluded just by proxy.

They'll probably include missions for both in that big expansion they've been planning for early next year.  Hopefully everyone who stayed loyal gets a love scene or something.

I'm also looking forward to hearing the "I can't go with you yet for <arbitrary reason>" speeches that Bioware will write so they have an excuse to reintroduce the characters in ME3.

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IDK, I come into contact with alot of Ashley and Kaidan fans, and I see them complaining about what happened in ME2 as much as us Liara fans. I don't buy this sentiment that us Liara fans complain to a greater extent than any other fanbase. We may have a few more very vocal individuals, yes, but as a whole I don't see anything that suggests our fanbase complain any more than any others.



Plus, those of us that do have reservations about ME2 support our opinions with legitimate criticisms of the story, the characters, the direction of the plot, the writing, the romances. It's not as if every Liara fan has said "Aw what the fcuk no Liara in this game? -1 sale BioWare!", I've seen incredibly well thought out, articulate and in-depth criticisms of ME2 in this thread, some of them extremely enlightening and very much spot on. So saying Liara fans hate on ME2 because of Liara absence is a crass generalisation, and untrue in my opinion.



Anyway, like alot of others in this thread I don't mind the direction they've gone with Liara in ME2. Creating some strife for her, giving her this incredibly moving and powerful plight, having this emotionally dark chapter of her life be driven by her love for Shepard to me is quite interesting, and gives her character incredible strength, makes me sympathise with and love her even more and will ultimately make her stronger as a person, neglecting the fact that she was already a pretty strong person to begin with, IMO. Like others have touched upon, I think we are just seeing different facets of Liara's personality in ME2, or existing facets manifesting themselves in different ways. Contrary to what I think is an ignorant opinion of Liara, she isn't heading down a dark path at all. She's trust incredibly hurt and pained emotionally, and is suffering incredible guilt for what she had to do to Shepard, all just because she couldn't let her go and wanted to revive her. Her fear and pain over she forced herself to do is her chief motivation in all this, ie based around her love for Shepard. This flat out stated in the game, when Shepard calls her out on it: "That anger can't be just from what you told me. What else happened between you and the Shadow Broker?", to which Liara's floodgates then open and she opens her heart to Shepard. That's pretty powerful, IMO, and what she says when she does open up melts my heart and saddens me every single time. It's powerful, very powerful and also very moving too.



But, like others have said, it's just the execution I have a problem with. It's awful. Because of the lack of suitable dialogue choices in the Liara reunion, everything feels so incredibly forced and unnatural. Liara and Shepard never bring up their relationship with each other. This isn't a forced rocky second chapter at all, it's like something out of the freaking Twilight Zone. You have two lovers sitting here who obviously care deeply about each other, and they never even mention their past relationship? Just plain bizarre. Alot of Liara requires huge amounts of analysis and reading between the lines, hence my ignorant comment earlier about people who dismiss Liara's plight and her suffering, and that the manner in which Liara is acting and what she's forcing herself to do is nothing more than a facade. It requires incredible insight, and looking at Liara indepth, which is what is turning some away from Liara and that annoys me. As I said though, the direction they've taken Liara is fine, I don't mind it. The execution, however, is awful.



Also, regarding Shepard and Liara's romance, I think that those of us who allow it to survive this period, that allow Shepard and Liara to come out of this period of being apart with their relationship apart will be treated to a romance and love that will be stronger than ever. Seriously, the Shepard/Liara romance has the potential to be extremely deep, powerful, spiritual and incredibly strong. When the two of them get through this period, and eventually reconcile and reaffirm their love, this romance could be the most powerful and deepest yet. Liara loves Shepard deeply, Shepard loves Liara deeply, and they both trust each other. If said trust and love is maintained whilst they are apart for the time being, the the reconciliation and subsequent growth of the relationship will be epic.



I think the Shepard/Liara love story has incredible potential, and could very well be the deepest of all romances. I just hope BioWare follows through with it.

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Excellent post, Les. I certainly wouldn't want the Ashley and Kaiden shippers to get shafted for the sake of a Liaramance; it just wouldn't be fair, and I'd feel bad for them.

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Thing is though, people that try to refute us Liarasexuals expecting and hoping for romantic content in her DLC on the grounds that it wouldn't be fair to Ashley and Kaidan fans make the assumption that Ash and Kaidan won't be featured prominently in DLC or an expansion at some point in the future.



Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if Ash and Kaidan got their due, and would never be selfish enough to just say "Tough" to them. They deserve just as much attention given to their romance as us Liara fans do. It's just that, though Liara's romance may be featured prominently in her DLC, that doesn't rule out Ash and Kaidan getting some romance too in a future DLC or expansion content.



Of course, if Ash and Kaidan fans do get shafted badly and us Liara fans get heaps more romance content, then I'd be incredibly pissed for them too. I'd enjoy the Liara content and romance incredibly, but I'd feel terrible for the Ash and Kai fans.

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Good morning Les!



Thanks for the foot fix Goodwood! ;)



Time for me to get some sleep, g'night all! *hugs*

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Night Sunnie! Have pleasant dreams about Liara!

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Aww, look at her face! :wub:

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ME1 shots of Liara are better imho, ME2 shots don't feel right, sorta empty



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She is beautiful in both games but I would love to have the chance for my Shepard to bring some light back into those eyes.  <3:wub:

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Unata wrote...

ME1 shots of Liara are better imho, ME2 shots don't feel right, sorta empty

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Indeed, Unata. Though Liara is just as beautiful as ever here, there is alot of pain, sorrow, guilt and suffering hidden behind that gorgeous face. I'm desperate for Liara to be happy again, and I want to comfort her so badly.

The Liara DLC can't come soon enough!

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"I think she is dreaming of blue women..."



Goodnight folks!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Unata wrote...

ME1 shots of Liara are better imho, ME2 shots don't feel right, sorta empty

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Indeed, Unata. Though Liara is just as beautiful as ever here, there is alot of pain, sorrow, guilt and suffering hidden behind that gorgeous face. I'm desperate for Liara to be happy again, and I want to comfort her so badly.

The Liara DLC can't come soon enough!


There is indeed a lot of emotion hidden in that expression, even if it is projected by us diehard fans onto the image itself. Still...

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Heh, going back a few pages to what Jayla said, the whole Shepard proposing to Liara scene is something I'd ask/fantasise/speculate about! :-)



I'd actually imagine Liara being quite overcome with emotion, a couple of tears streaming down her face before joyously exclaiming "Yes, Shepard! Of course I will!" before embracing Shepard and kissing each other deeply. Their actual bondmate ceremony would be amazingly sweet, and I like to think that the pair of them would be wearing really nice dresses, particularly Liara who would attire herself in the most perfect of Thessian fashions in order to look perfect for her special day.



/sigh Again, this is making me want to right a really sweet fluff fic. The bondmate ceremony of Shepard and Liara.

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:wub::wub::wub:

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pure perfection:wub::wub::wub:
hi all btw=], sadly i have to go in about ~1~2 hours, and be back 6-7pm my time.... but i will be back today i promise=]

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Morning Marcin, good to see you.

Looking at what Weekes posted on his LJ, if he is writing the Liara scenes for her DLC, then I really like the idea of Shepard hugging Liara from behind. I've always wished that were possible in ME2, when Liara opens her heart when she's standing up, looking out at the view from her balcony. I'd have loved it if at that point, Shepard would have stood up, walked behind Liara and softly put her arms around Liara's waist, and hugged her gently. How sweet would that have been?

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JaylaClark wrote...

This is a very 'les' question, which I mean in the best possible way.

Way back when, we were actually skipping to what femShep and Liara would wear to their wedding


GAH........must....draw......this........

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

GAH........must....draw......this........


Please...please do so, MDK! I'd love to see Freya and Liara together like that!

A few weeks ago, I commissioned a piece from an artist of a pregnant Liara and ratz's Shepard named Annika together, obviously set post ME3 and when the pair of them truly become bondmates, and make the decision to have children together. Take a look, MDK, and see what you think:

"The Couple"

Annika Shepard and Liara T'Soni together, with Liara pregnant with their first child.

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Could you stop going back and forth about the gameplay mechanics and ME 2 vs. ME 1 in general? I know I tend to do that myself sometimes, but this is not the thread about it. If you want to debate ME 2 vs. ME 1, do so regarding Liara in this thread, and regarding everything else in another.



And anyone who thinks he's not a part of "the Liara fans", should consider posting in other threads. Please? You're not going to change anyone's opinion here, because that's all it is: Opinion and personal preference. So let's just leave it at that.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Please...please do so, MDK! I'd love to see Freya and Liara together like that!

A few weeks ago, I commissioned a piece from an artist of a pregnant Liara and ratz's Shepard named Annika together, obviously set post ME3 and when the pair of them truly become bondmates, and make the decision to have children together. Take a look, MDK, and see what you think:

"The Couple"

Annika Shepard and Liara T'Soni together, with Liara pregnant with their first child.


Heh, that drawing is already sitting in my favourites on DA :D

Thought it was one of the most adorable things I've ever seen...

As for this drawing I'm going to do - it may be a while - I have a few commissions to get done first. However, I'd still love to hear suggestions on how it should look.

Freya would flatly refuse to wear a dress, but what do people thing Liara would be in...

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Agreed, bjd. I was ecstatic this morning when I woke up and saw 10+ new pages to read in this thread. My happiness waned considerably when I realised that alot of it wasn't discussion about Liara. That's one thing I'm proud of in this thread, we always stay on topic and constantly have in depth and deep discussions about Liara.

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Freya would flatly refuse to wear a dress, but what do people thing Liara would be in...


I'm going to have a little think about what Liara would wear. :D I'll get back to you when I think of something. It has to be special, this is Liara's big day, after all. ^_^

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you just made my day :-)

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Nice to see an alternate version of that pic without the filter, bjd. Very romantic, I love how Shepard and Liara are holding hands, and the way Liara has her head turned to Shepard. Beautiful!