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[IndigoWolfe]

shotgun-shepard wrote...

 That one's a little scary right now for some reason...

[Sunnie]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I don't think so, it is very plausible that Wilson was bought off, late in the project. Theres too many things that point to a last minute switch. If the early plan was to turn Sheps body over to the SB for a price, why then would he work so hard to bring Shep back to life? I would think that if it wasnt a "oops, too late for this deal" situation, Wilson would just let the project fail and then slip the corpse to the SB through the garbage shute. Additionally, Wilson on the com didn't play a very convincing act for being shot, why would a reprogrammed bot just wound him? It wouldnt, it would keep shooting till he no longer moved, and when we find him there are no damaged bots around. He was also one of only 3 people who had the knowledge and access to reprogram the security bots.  It is most likely that the SB bought him off as the project was being completed and Shepard was waking up.

Nah I don't buy it.  Just because "there were no bots around" doesn't really mean anything.  All the bots in ME seem to explode on "death"  I don't ever remember having a huge trail of mech parts laying around whenever Shep and crew cleared out an area.  Maybe he got shot somewhere else and dragged himself in there looking for medigel, who knows.  Jacob, if I remember correctly, clearly stated he DIDN'T have access to reprogram the bots, so how would he have done it in the first place?

I think it is far more likely there was something else going on and Miranda offed him becase there weren't supposed to be any survivors other than her and Shep and possibly Jacob.

Jacob actually questioned Wilson about his access to the security bots when Wilson claimed he was trying to regain control. Wilson wasnt supposed to have access but he did and that triggered Jacob to ask him why... I can post the entire conversation log if you really need it. Wilson left a log complaining abotu the money spent on Shepard and noted that he wish TIM would pay him more. Wilson is abotu as dirty as it gets, and it was late in the project when he was bought.

[OrbitalWings]

Just dropping by to say that another drawing preview will be here relatively soon, and the whole image itself should be completed sometime tonight.



Let's just hope I don't mess Liara's face up...

[Sunnie]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Just dropping by to say that another drawing preview will be here relatively soon, and the whole image itself should be completed sometime tonight.

Let's just hope I don't mess Liara's face up...

Very excited to see it MDK!

[screwoffreg]

Its_Joshiepoo wrote...

interesting im surprised we havent talked about this before but hey theres a time for everything. i think the key thing here is not to underestimate the shadow broker, he could have more grip on everything than you may think.

I honestly think the SB is already dead or has gotten real sloppy.

Look at Fist on Omega.  If you let him live, he just goes waltzing around the Galaxy, no harm done?  He SHOULD be dead.

Liara T'Soni embarasses the SB in front of a particularly dangerous client and yet she still lives.  The only thing the SB supposedly did was to attach an Observer to her.

Finally look at Shepard.  There was one pathetic attempt to capture him (Purgatory) but that could be a general Collector bounty as they have their own resources to give out.  

Either the SB is completely indoctrinated/taken over or he is dead and Harbringer has "assumed control" over his network.  Why would they need the middleman of the SB anymore when I am sure the Reapers could interface with whatever technology he may have used to control his network?

I've always said that Liara is only alive because she has a connection to Shepard that either the SB or the Reapers want to manipulate to their advantage.  That would be the logical conclusion, of course, as even if she is not your LI, Shepard "owes" her and is likely to see her and help her in her "revenge quest"

To be honest, the reason above is probably why TIM discourages you from seeing Liara or trusting her.  To get involved in her quest would be a huge distraction from what he wanted you to do and perhaps he senses the same sort of "strings" being pulled.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 25 avril 2010 - 08:31 .

[bjdbwea]

Good points there, screwoffreg. But I'm sure the SB will be all powerful and mighty as soon as the plot demands it. <_<

[jlb524]

I think there's something going on with the SB as well and it's affecting normal operations. If there's some kind of Liara/SB expansion, I'm expecting a big twist at the end.



The whole, 'Gather up the troops and go kill the SB' story arc is kind of lame. I'm sure you will gather up the troops to go kill the SB, but I hope when Shep/Liara and company arrive at the SB base they will see that things aren't what they seem.



The SB could even be dead, as screwoffreg suggested and a pawn of the Reapers has taken over.

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

I think there's something going on with the SB as well and it's affecting normal operations. If there's some kind of Liara/SB expansion, I'm expecting a big twist at the end.

The whole, 'Gather up the troops and go kill the SB' story arc is kind of lame. I'm sure you will gather up the troops to go kill the SB, but I hope when Shep/Liara and company arrive at the SB base they will see that things aren't what they seem.

The SB could even be dead, as screwoffreg suggested and a pawn of the Reapers has taken over.

This then begs the question what would the Reapers want with Shepard and Liara coming to the base of a long dead/mindless SB?

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I don't think the Shadow Broker has been killed and replaced. A substantial shift in power like that would have noticeable effects. The SB's numerous enemies would sense a weakness, and that something had been altered. His empire would be in pieces in almost no time at all.

I think he's very much alive. The true nature of just what he's doing, and if and how he is aiding the Reapers is all up for debate though. We just want another clear reason for Liara to be going after him!!

The Reapers being sentient-God machines, I would imagine they would find a way to maintain the illusion of SB control.  At the end of the original Liara quest (shown in the junk files), she manages to maintain the illusion that SHE is the SB as it seems his agents don't know who he is, rather that they just take orders.  It wouldn't be a stretch for any one of the Reapers servants, whether a Collector or someone else, to do the same.

[Sunnie]

screwoffreg wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think there's something going on with the SB as well and it's affecting normal operations. If there's some kind of Liara/SB expansion, I'm expecting a big twist at the end.

The whole, 'Gather up the troops and go kill the SB' story arc is kind of lame. I'm sure you will gather up the troops to go kill the SB, but I hope when Shep/Liara and company arrive at the SB base they will see that things aren't what they seem.

The SB could even be dead, as screwoffreg suggested and a pawn of the Reapers has taken over.

This then begs the question what would the Reapers want with Shepard and Liara coming to the base of a long dead/mindless SB?

In the words of the immortal Admiral Ackbar...
Its a trap!

[screwoffreg]

Sunnie22 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think there's something going on with the SB as well and it's affecting normal operations. If there's some kind of Liara/SB expansion, I'm expecting a big twist at the end.

The whole, 'Gather up the troops and go kill the SB' story arc is kind of lame. I'm sure you will gather up the troops to go kill the SB, but I hope when Shep/Liara and company arrive at the SB base they will see that things aren't what they seem.

The SB could even be dead, as screwoffreg suggested and a pawn of the Reapers has taken over.

This then begs the question what would the Reapers want with Shepard and Liara coming to the base of a long dead/mindless SB?

In the words of the immortal Admiral Ackbar...
Its a trap!

Manipulating the fragile emotions of sentients seems something the Reapers would be well versed in.  If the Liara quest is an expansion related one that bridges to ME 3 AND it is the last (or only) real post-Collector DLC...I can imagine how it might end.

[screwoffreg]

I think the reason Liara is hunting the SB has to do with her absolute loyalty to those she sees as friends. Feron was a friend (though for everyone else, objectively, he was a huge idiot and a hindrance) and, on top of that, she has a vendetta against the SB.

Did anyone remember what the Krogan Warlord, the one who Aria had you protect, said? You don't come after someone directly. You come after the people they care about, then THEY come at you stupid. The Collectors came after Shepard and took Feron. Liara is coming back at them with a rather thin and, lets be honest, twisted rationale.

We know there is likely another Reaper in the Milky Way. The Leviathan of Dis, a mysterious organic ship that was spirited away by the Batarians, is either slumbering or still releasing Indoctrination. The Batarians hate humanity and would hate Shepard. It would not take much for them to become servants of the Reapers. The Batarians also love to capture people...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 25 avril 2010 - 09:11 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

One of my wild, completely baseless, "probably not true but throwing it out for the sake of it" theories is that the SB and TIM are the same entity. I think there is far more to TIM than just a simple "right, today I will try and direct the future of humanity by creating an organisation called Cerberus". If there isnt, I will be majorly disappointed. I cant accept Cerberus now as simply being a "pro-human group". Mirandas garbage of "we be jus lyk deh STG or Asari Commandos" wont fly with me.

I personally think selling Shepard with one hand, possibly for the collectors giving up information on themselves and their technology as the price, and retrieving him with the other through the use of Liara is not at all out of the question for TIM. He leads Shepard into a collector trap to gain more intel on the collectors during the game, so its proof he is prepared to take that kind of risk.

Like I said though, its just a wild bit of baseless speculation. There is far too little knowledge to be had right now for a legitimate guess at this stage.

One thing is for sure, Im hoping whatever is cooking with the SB and TIM is good. Particularly with how little is left in the series now to resolve these things. If its not mind blowing, I can only see it ending up as a bitter anti-climax.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 avril 2010 - 09:16 .

[Marcin K]

 as i told earlier i'm back today. unfortunately it took me muuch muuch longer than i planned and i just came back:(
so today i can only say i go OFFLINE overnight, and cya all tomorrow, have a great night, dream about Liara=]
tomorrow i will be ONLINE much longer=]
so 1 thing left today: leave this as my today's legacy for all of you: