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[scmadsen]

More Liara fanart. Haven't seen this one posted here.

[screwoffreg]

Part of me is hopeful about the Liara conversation in the DLC/expansion. I read an article about Patrick Weekes from years ago and he got his job at Bioware just by writing as part of a bet and impressing the company. He seems to really enjoy what he does and he seems to understand a woman's perspective quite well. If anyone could write a good scene, I am sure he can.  (This is assuming he is writing it, of course)

He also seems like a genuinely nice person, so take that for what you will. Like David Gaider, writing seems a passion not a job.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 04:10 .

[bjdbwea]

justinnstuff wrote...

I doubt they're intentionally watering it down due to lazyness. My guess is, it's a technical limitation with DLC. Perhaps the games function to use the dialog wheel is coded in a way that DLC cannot access it.

Never. This time they developed the game with the full intention to cash in with DLC as much as possible. No one would make the mistake to program the dialogue wheel in a way that you can't access it if you want. I personally think the main reason is saving costs for voice acting. But if the general audience just takes it, it could be tempting to do for the full games as well. Awakening already implemented a similar system as far as I know, in that you can't freely talk to your companions either.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 26 avril 2010 - 04:14 .

[screwoffreg]

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Part of me is hopeful about the Liara conversation in the DLC/expansion. I read an article about Patrick Weekes from years ago and he got his job at Bioware just by writing as part of a bet and impressing the company. He He also seems like a genuinely nice person, so take that for what you will. Like David Gaider, writing seems a passion not a job.

I'm all for someone that can possibly fix the mess it's in right now. Especially someone who doesn't mind getting seems to really enjoy what he does and he seems to understand a woman's perspective quite well. If anyone could write a good scene, I am sure he can.  (This is assuming he is writing it, of course)

opinions from his wife for a female perspective. That's a good idea.

Well, he described his wife as Mordin, so maybe she's not much for the emotion.

I think he has a pet named Wrex though

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 04:15 .

[scmadsen]

I like this one too.

Modifié par scmadsen, 26 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[ratzerman]

scmadsen wrote...

More Liara fanart. Haven't seen this one posted here.

Hey, that looks familiar! 

That's the piece Les had commissioned.  He wanted to use My Shepard as a model.  I was honored.

[bjdbwea]

justinnstuff wrote...

If the dialog choices disappear in ME3 and DA2, then you'll be correct.

I haven't said I suspect that, only that it could be. What I do suspect and fear, and what was my initial point, is that a Liara DLC could be similar for the same reasons, and I wouldn't like that at all. If I'm in the minority with that opinion, so be it. I seem to be with my opinions about ME 2 anyway, but it doesn't matter.

[scmadsen]

Small world then. I'm guess it's posted somewhere in this thread, but I hadn't seen it here. hard to keep track of 858 pages.

[Marcin K]

pic time:

[bjdbwea]

But you have to admit, a Liara DLC without the Shepard voice actors would make it impossible to do anything romance related. That said, Shepard does speak in the DLCs after all (and there is a dialogue wheel). So the question remains if they recorded that stuff during the main game development (which I suspect), or later. In either case, the voice actors were obviously available. That means you could just as well have recorded more, though certainly a higher price. Conclusion: It was a deliberate decision not to have more voice acting, probably to save costs and time.

I would pay even more than 7 bucks for a really well done Liara DLC, but I don't think that's the path they'd choose, unfortunately.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 26 avril 2010 - 04:40 .

[WilliamShatner]

Considering how rubbish the carryover from ME to ME2 was I'd doubt an expansion or DLC will have any bearing on ME3. It's safe to assume that BioWare will use the same renegade playthrough template for the foundation of ME3 like ME2 and that paragons will get slightly different scenes and a couple of characters who are alive instead of dead.

[scmadsen]

Something totally random and pointless to talk about. Do you think Liara eats human food? Would Shepard eat Asari food? Liara and Shepard are going out for a dinner date...where do they end up going? What about comfort food...Liara and Shepard and both sad right now...would Liara eat Human comfort food, to remind her of Shepard...and would Shepard eat Asari comfort food for the same reason?

[bjdbwea]

I don't think eating different food would make much of a difference. (Actually, what do Asari eat?) Shepard can at least say to Morinth that she likes to listen to Asari music. And I like to think that Shepard doesn't only look at the picture once, but regularly.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 26 avril 2010 - 05:26 .

[screwoffreg]

justinnstuff wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

But you have to admit, a Liara DLC without the Shepard voice actors would make it impossible to do anything romance related. That said, Shepard does speak in the DLCs after all (and there is a dialogue wheel). So the question remains if they recorded that stuff during the main game development (which I suspect), or later. In either case, the voice actors were obviously available. That means you could just as well have recorded more, though certainly a higher price. Conclusion: It was a deliberate decision not to do have voice acting, probably to save costs.

I would pay even more than 7 bucks for a really well done Liara DLC, but I don't think that's the path they'd choose, unfortunately.

Yeah, you have some very good points there, but I'm not expecting much in the way of romance in the DLC. I know Patrick mentioned stuff of emotional dialog, but I'm not going to make the assumption it's for this DLC. That way, if it happens to be so, I can really be excited!

Liara has lost a lot of popularity amongst old players and newer ME 2 players probably blow her off altogether, at least from my anecdotal evidence.  If they want to make her compelling, I hope Mr. Weekes goes the more emotionally impactful route rather than relying on cinematics to save her.  Just look at all the art and stories that Tali gets.  If I wrote Tali themed stories I would probably get three times the reviews as she is so popular.

Honestly, I like Tali as a cutesy romance, but she lacks the same depth as Liara, even in so far as the first game goes...

[Marcin K]

  hav to do some heavy updates on my comp, so i probably go OFFLINE for as long as whole overnight, so cya tomorrow, and have a great night all, dream about Liara=]
i leave this as my today's legacy:

[Nomex11]

It looks like a foreplay before Mass Effect CP, or is it just me?
Still - it's a nice piece of fanart

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think you underestimate the size of Liara's fanbase, screw, and how big it still remains even though BW did their absolute best to get players to hate her in ME2. Liara always does extremely well in character polls here, has one of the largest and most viewed fan groups, has one of the largest support threads, and from seeing what people say on the internet remains incredibly popular and well thought of, despite ME2's handling of her. People are puzzled, confused, frustrated, angry and disappointed about what BW did with Liara, but that just shows that they care.

Plus, it's not really fair to compare Liara's fan reaction to Tali's. Tali got a full squadmate role, is a new romance option and has been designed to be as appealing as possible. Liara has received a small cameo role, and has been designed so that people grow distasteful of her. Yet she still remains incredibly popular. Redemption's commercial success is testament to that.

I think we understate the amount of people who never played ME 1 though.  ME 2 has drawn in a new audience, many who will NEVER go back to the first game and imagine their reaction to Liara:

Ok, I supposedly know this girl from the past...
Wow, she's cold as ice.
Hey, Miranda/Tali/Jack/Kelly are nice to me...
See ya!

If Bioware is really aiming for the "stand alone" option for their games, and you only use the context of what you have seen of Liara thus far...it's not looking so hot.  I think the company has gone on the wrong road for "complexity" for their character and instead just made her look bad and stupid, to be honest.  Not what she deserved.

Tali is pretty much the white picket fences romance.  I imagine in ME 3, when she reveals her face, she will look like a cross between Megan Fox and Natalie Portman and her and Shepard will ride out into the Quarian sunset.

Liara reminds of me Viconia in BG II, the days where games actually had consequences.  She was the most difficult romance in the game and you could actually FAIL pretty easily and have her turn her back on you forever.  Yet, in the end she has a pretty profound change and she has a sweet ending...at least until she gets murdered, but hey what can you do...