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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Patrick is indeed writing Liara's emotional romance reconciliation scenes, or any possible scene when she opens her heart to Shepard and we have the option to comfort her in the Liara DLC, then I don't think we have much to worry about. I think he'd do a great job with any intimate and tender moments between the pair of them. Make no mistake, I am quite excited if Weekes is indeed talking about the Liara DLC, as seems likely.

I like the guy alot based on his story.  I have faith in him if he IS the writer for Liara.  He did a great job with Tali (it was him, right?) with so little interaction allowed in ME 2. 

http://cerise.theiri...org/archives/65

The article above tells how he got his job at Bioware and some of his philosophy.  He is a big nerd like all of us, so we have one of our "own" infiltrating Big Bioware/EA.

If he is writing more Tali stuff...well I guess at least Tali will be good, lol.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 07:39 .

[Nozybidaj]

Here's a real kick in the nads.....



If it is Liara related I doubt it is romance related. More likely you have to console her after you find Feron's corpse and she breaks down crying over losing him. I just can't see them not taking another stab at kicking us while we are already down by having her get all emotional over Feron after the complete blow off they had her give Shepard.

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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

If Patrick is indeed writing Liara's emotional romance reconciliation scenes, or any possible scene when she opens her heart to Shepard and we have the option to comfort her in the Liara DLC, then I don't think we have much to worry about. I think he'd do a great job with any intimate and tender moments between the pair of them. Make no mistake, I am quite excited if Weekes is indeed talking about the Liara DLC, as seems likely.

I like the guy alot based on his story.  I have faith in him if he IS the writer for Liara.  He did a great job with Tali (it was him, right?) with so little interaction allowed in ME 2. 

http://cerise.theiri...org/archives/65

The article above tells how he got his job at Bioware and some of his philosophy.  He is a big nerd like all of us, so we have one of our "own" infiltrating Big Bioware/EA.

If he is writing more Tali stuff...well I guess at least Tali will be good, lol.

If that was him, they probably saw his success with Tali and figured his talents could be used for more romance related content. That does sound promising 

He really drives home the point that video games and their characters are SOOO limited by word count, especially in the age of voice overs.  He probably does the best he can with what little he is given.  Look at Tali or any of the other squad mates in ME 2.  The interaction is FAR LESS than the other Bioware game, DA.  Assuming he did write Tali, he managed to capture the "awwwwwwww" moments well.  I'd love to see him write ALL the female characters but I imagine that would overwhelm him, lol.

A similiar person who does female characters well is James Cameron.  He loves making strong female leads in his films.  His use of Sigourney Weaver in Aliens was seen as a huge step forward for female leads as she didn't revolve around a male or need any romantic interest.  "Nuke it from orbit, just to be sure"

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Here's a real kick in the nads.....

If it is Liara related I doubt it is romance related. More likely you have to console her after you find Feron's corpse and she breaks down crying over losing him. I just can't see them not taking another stab at kicking us while we are already down by having her get all emotional over Feron after the complete blow off they had her give Shepard.

If the SB is indoctrinated or outright dead and replaced by a Reaper servant, as all hints seem to point to, I imagine Feron is alive...but also similiarly changed.  I see a more "Judas" role for him.

Justin: I only come up with GOOD crazy ideas!

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 07:48 .

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Here's a real kick in the nads.....

If it is Liara related I doubt it is romance related. More likely you have to console her after you find Feron's corpse and she breaks down crying over losing him. I just can't see them not taking another stab at kicking us while we are already down by having her get all emotional over Feron after the complete blow off they had her give Shepard.

See, that's being cynical and pessimistic almost in the extreme, Nozy.

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What do you think, though? If Drew had been kept as Liara's writer in both Redemption and ME2, do you think Liara's character development and her hardened facade etc would have been handled alot better, and more believably? You get the feeling DK would have cared alot more about Liara and getting her just right.

I think the thing was flawed from the start to be honest.  The character development in ME 2 in GENERAL was weaker than Bioware is known for.  There were a few strong standouts, like Mordin, but overall you had more flatness like Jacob.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What do you think, though? If Drew had been kept as Liara's writer in both Redemption and ME2, do you think Liara's character development and her hardened facade etc would have been handled alot better, and more believably? You get the feeling DK would have cared alot more about Liara and getting her just right.

I do agree with that.  In the end though the one to blame is whoever decided to throw in this suicide mission gimmick and that the ME1 LI's had to be removed in the most disgraceful manner possible.  

I know we give Mac a lot of crap and a lot if it is deserved, but in the end whoever was the one that made those earlier decisions is the real one to blame for how ME2 turned out.

[screwoffreg]

I think we give the writers far too much crap as we assume they have great control over their product, which they do not. A vision is dictated and hard word limits are set as well as deadlines. They work within those confines and do the best of their ability...which can be very good or lackluster.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Is the glass half empty? Half full? I think it's just twice as large as it needs to be.

I think the glass is half the size it needed to be and only a filled with a quarter of what it should have been.

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justinnstuff wrote...
Yeah I'd like to repeat this. Although we tend to diss Mac, I doubt he's the sole reason any of this happened.

screwoffreg wrote...

I think we give the writers far too
much crap as we assume they have great control over their product, which
they do not. A vision is dictated and hard word limits are set as well
as deadlines. They work within those confines and do the best of their
ability...which can be very good or lackluster.

The writers obviously had limits and hard set directions they had to work in.  Mac still could have shown he cared a bit though and put some effort in to making it believable.  No one is without fault here.

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If BioWare mess up Liara's character in a DLC, i'd be very upset.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...


I think the thing was flawed from the start to be honest.  The character development in ME 2 in GENERAL was weaker than Bioware is known for.  There were a few strong standouts, like Mordin, but overall you had more flatness like Jacob.

I think I disagree here. I think Liara's current character arc had, and still does to a certain extent, incredibly potential, really could have helped to flesh Liara out even further and would have been a great service to her character. Handled alot better, this could have been something that gets people talking, analysing and debating for hours, and really could have showcased Liara's strength. As it stands though, the current execution is awful, and consequently we're all here trying to feed on scraps, and theorising and analysing to hopefully find a way to find out just what the hell is going on. Alot of our theories and analysis is quite plausible, and to be honest I think a significant amount will turn out to be true, but until we really get something concrete all us Liara fans are going to be left anguished, and completely in the dark.

I think we just agreed

When I said from the start, I meant the start of ME 2.